Science uses Islam?

[MMohammed]

Science really uses Quran for their researches.There are many many many researches in which Science has used Quran or Islamic people.So what is your perspective on this issue?

 

[celina]

Aslam brother

Quran and science have a bond, many inventions and creations were done by muslim inventors for example algebra and air craft. Medicine is all derived from the Quran. I have a lot of literature at work on this InshAllah I will put some up on this thread.

 

[mahfuja]

You only have to watch Dr Zakir Naik's "science and Islam" to realise how much science is actually in the Qur'an ... Subhan'Allah

 

[Santoku]

Aslam brother

Quran and science have a bond, many inventions and creations were done by muslim inventors for example algebra and air craft. Medicine is all derived from the Quran. I have a lot of literature at work on this InshAllah I will put some up on this thread.

Oh Boy! Not another Islam did it all!

Just when did Islam invent the aircraft? Not the glider, Chinese, not the hot air balloon, ditto, not the powered aircraft, America/NewZealand, not the manned kite, China again.

Even the medicine is questionable, much of the medical knowledge was based on earlier work from the Greeks, Indians and Iranians. Take a look at some of the Chinese medical textbooks predating Islam by 500 years.
Although there was much medical research done in Islamic countries and many advances made it was not all Islam.

Algebra was developed to its current form by muslims granted but there was much basic work done by the Indians which the muslims built on.

But the question I have always asked and nobody can ever really answer is:-

If Islam did all this, how come the golden age of Muslim science ended so soon after the age of acquisition- wwhen the caliph sent forth his men to find the knowledge of the world, When huge rewards were promised for new text books and the work of translating these books was one of the most important jobs in Islam?

 

[aamirsaab]

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Even the medicine is questionable, much of the medical knowledge was based on earlier work from the Greeks, Indians and Iranians. Take a look at some of the Chinese medical textbooks predating Islam by 500 years..

wiki

Although there was much medical research done in Islamic countries and many advances made it was not all Islam

wiki

Algebra was developed to its current form by muslims granted but there was much basic work done by the Indians which the muslims built on.

Yeah that noone else did or would have done...

But the question I have always asked and nobody can ever really answer is:-

If Islam did all this, how come the golden age of Muslim science ended so soon after the age of acquisition- wwhen the caliph sent forth his men to find the knowledge of the world, When huge rewards were promised for new text books and the work of translating these books was one of the most important jobs in Islam?

wiki

See all of your questions and points have answers to them.

p.s I used wiki to avoid any accusations of me providing biased links.

 

[Woodrow]

If Islam did all this, how come the golden age of Muslim science ended so soon after the age of acquisition- wwhen the caliph sent forth his men to find the knowledge of the world, When huge rewards were promised for new text books and the work of translating these books was one of the most important jobs in Islam?

Possibly because we turned our worship away from Allaah(swt) and began a worship of the works of man.

False pride and too much self credit has been known to destroy great and powerful nations.

 

[Azy]

It's pretty pointless arguing about the religion of various inventors. Buddhists have invented countless things, Christians, Jews, Pagans and more.
The original post specifically mentions "many many many researches in which Science has used Quran", does anyone have an example of such a case?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I've never heard of an example of scientific research using Islam, and like Azy I'd be interested to hear of one.

On the other hand, I've heard plenty of examples of supporters of Islam using science.

Peace

 

[aamirsaab]

I know that surgeons perfom a variation of wudhu before operating and the airflight manuals in planes written by Deepak chopra also tell you to do a variation of wudhu (on the plane) as a form of exercise.

 

[Woodrow]

Science really uses Quran for their researches.There are many many many researches in which Science has used Quran or Islamic people.So what is your perspective on this issue?

I see it more like truth supports truth. While true scientific facts are compatable with Islam and Early Muslims played an active role in founding much of todays scientific research I see both science and Islam having separate roles. Islam deals with the whys and science deals with the hows.

 

[Snowflake]

It's pretty pointless arguing about the religion of various inventors. Buddhists have invented countless things, Christians, Jews, Pagans and more.
The original post specifically mentions "many many many researches in which Science has used Quran", does anyone have an example of such a case?

That is true, but no other religious scripture has accurate scientific facts.

Greetings,

I've never heard of an example of scientific research using Islam, and like Azy I'd be interested to hear of one.

On the other hand, I've heard plenty of examples of supporters of Islam using science.

Peace

I don't know of any research that has stemmed from scientific facts in the Quran, but I know of scientists who have clarified scientific facts in the Quran as 100% accurate after reading about them. In fact they believe the source could only have come from a Higher Being (Allah SWT) as the Prophet (PBUH) was unlettered and no one in those times could've have known the details and explanations offered in the Quran over 1400 years ago.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html

 

[Santoku]

wiki


wiki


Yeah that noone else did or would have done...


wiki

See all of your questions and points have answers to them.

p.s I used wiki to avoid any accusations of me providing biased links.

You really don't read your articles do you.

the wiki articles state that much of the medical knowledge was derived from the sources I said.

Part the second, how do you know that nobody else would have taken the ball and run with it?

I noted with some interest that one of the causes of decline was the rigid interpretation of Islam to shut down scientific research.

 

[Santoku]

I know that surgeons perfom a variation of wudhu before operating and the airflight manuals in planes written by Deepak chopra also tell you to do a variation of wudhu (on the plane) as a form of exercise.

The wudhu method of washing was traditional, these days with the advent of modern disinfectantsit has fallen out of favour and is rarely done.
The wudu motions are not religious but designed as a method of avoiding dvt. You may judge how effective it is by looking at the Chopra method of how to avoid cataracts:-
"He claims you can prevent and reverse cataracts by brushing your teeth, scraping your tongue, spitting into a cup of water, and washing your eyes for a few minutes with this mixture. "


And as for time- from the man himself:- "I in fact don't believe in the existence of time. That's one thing I have to tell you, and the other is that I don't take myself or what I am doing seriously."

 

[aamirsaab]

You really don't read your articles do you.

the wiki articles state that much of the medical knowledge was derived from the sources I said.

Much but not all. See the chemistry and physic section on that link: Gebri and ibn al-Haytham both pioneers in their respective areas.

Part the second, how do you know that nobody else would have taken the ball and run with it?

Ah fair point, I shouldn't have said that.

I noted with some interest that one of the causes of decline was the rigid interpretation of Islam to shut down scientific research.

It was many things; including that and wars and a plague...All societies have their golden age and all have their age of fall. Islam at least managed to get a lot of things done in its time (that noone else was doing).

The wudhu method of washing was traditional, these days with the advent of modern disinfectantsit has fallen out of favour and is rarely done.

Perhaps but scientists were indeed using Islamic teachings (or variations).

The wudu motions are not religious but designed as a method of avoiding dvt. You may judge how effective it is by looking at the Chopra method of how to avoid cataracts:-
"He claims you can prevent and reverse cataracts by brushing your teeth, scraping your tongue, spitting into a cup of water, and washing your eyes for a few minutes with this mixture. "

I said his flight manual exercises were a variation on wudhu - I wasnt saying all his work parallels Islamic teaching. Yeah the motions used might not be religious but they had a very clear resemblence to Islamic teachings.

Coincidence, I don't think so. Not when it was/is that similar.

 

[Muezzin]

Why do these topics always descend into minimising Muslim contributions to science?

 

[GuestFellow]

Why do these topics always descend into minimising Muslim contributions to science?

Yeah I never understood that. People need to watch the BBC documentary on about how Islam contributed to science. Very good source of information for the lay people. =)

 

[Woodrow]

On behalf of Sister Celina

Aslam brother

Quran and science have a bond, many inventions and creations were done by muslim inventors for example algebra and air craft. Medicine is all derived from the Quran. I have a lot of literature at work on this InshAllah I will put some up on this thread.

She sends her apology for mentioning aircraft. She was told that by another person.

She also wants to add the following:

Muslim contribution to Astronomy and Mathematics

The Arabs were pioneers with the fields of Astronomy, mechanics, Mathematics, Algebra. In Geometry the Muslims were the first to translate Euclid's work. They developed the theory of quadratic equations. Muslim astronomers identified and classified a number of stars in their observatories. They made discoveries regarding the movements of the solar system and the astral formations. They ascertained the size of the earth, the variation of lunar latitudes and precession of the equinoxes. Muslim built the first observatories and invented the telescope, the compass and the pendulum.

Source (Tariq Muneer Moonsighting in a sciencetific perspective.)

Here there is a sound demonstration of Islam and Science.

 

[Azy]

I think the above might be your answer, Muezzin. Folk like to make rather wide ranging claims about who discovered or invented what, including ones which are clearly false.
They quite often provoke a reaction like Santoku's "Oh Boy! Not another Islam did it all!", and so people feel a need to set things straight which might come across as belittling Muslim contributions.

When we speak of Planck we don't make a point of Christianity's contribution to science, nor Archimedes' polytheistic contribution to science. If people are going to claim that Islam itself contributed to scientific advance then feel free to tell us how, but that's not the same thing as making a list of things Muslims discovered.

 

[Santoku]

On behalf of Sister Celina



She sends her apology for mentioning aircraft. She was told that by another person.

She also wants to add the following


Originally Posted by celina
Muslim contribution to Astronomy and Mathematics

The Arabs were pioneers with the fields of Astronomy, mechanics, Mathematics, Algebra. In Geometry the Muslims were the first to translate Euclid's work. They developed the theory of quadratic equations. Muslim astronomers identified and classified a number of stars in their observatories. They made discoveries regarding the movements of the solar system and the astral formations. They ascertained the size of the earth, the variation of lunar latitudes and precession of the equinoxes. Muslim built the first observatories and invented the telescope, the compass and the pendulum.



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Well here goes re Astronomy perhaps the muslims would like to acknowledge the Indian contribution:-

www.crystalinks.com/indiastronomy.html

As for the compass Chinese Jade hunters used lodestones (naturally occuring magnets) to help them find their way in the hills and mountains of China a thousand years before the birth of Mohammed.

" In Geometry the Muslims were the first to translate Euclid's work."
So they did not originate it then.

These are the ones I have off the top of my head, I will gladly( when I have the time) do a bit of a search for the other items.

I am quite happy to allow that muslims improved on many items but an improvement is not an invention. And this continual assertion that muslims invented everything from scratch simply casts doubt on those things they truly invented.

 

[Woodrow]

Well here goes re Astronomy perhaps the muslims would like to acknowledge the Indian contribution:-

www.crystalinks.com/indiastronomy.html

As for the compass Chinese Jade hunters used lodestones (naturally occuring magnets) to help them find their way in the hills and mountains of China a thousand years before the birth of Mohammed.

" In Geometry the Muslims were the first to translate Euclid's work."
So they did not originate it then.

These are the ones I have off the top of my head, I will gladly( when I have the time) do a bit of a search for the other items.

I am quite happy to allow that muslims improved on many items but an improvement is not an invention.
And this continual assertion that muslims invented everything from scratch simply casts doubt on those things they truly invented.

I do agree with you to a large degree in your post and yes it is true:

"And this continual assertion that muslims invented everything from scratch simply casts doubt on those things they truly invented"


I also think we are beginning to place too much emphasis on the physical scientific contributions of early Muslims and in doing so we just may be sidelining the real contributions of Islam.

Reading through this thread I think we are starting to sound like the little kid hollering at the other little kid: "My daddy is bigger then your daddy."

While early Muslims have contributed much to science in terms of discovery, improvements and invention. We need to be more cautious and be more specific in stating which is which. Even more important we need to look at what are we doing today. It is an error if we think it is sufficient to set back on the laurels earned by our predecessors.

In my opinion I think the main message we are trying to get across is, Islam is not anti-Science. We are against misused science and pseudo-science.

But this is just my opinion and is only an opinion Astagfirullah