Science

[jabeady]

For example, it is not allowed onto science to experimentally test on living persons that HIV causes AIDS and hence establish the link between HIV and AIDS scientifically. This link must forever remain conjectural.

So, yes, science must conduct its investigations within the limitations of the morality established by the Quran.

The medical stricture to "First, do no harm," derives from the original Hippocratic Oath, recorded some 1,000 years before the Quran, and thus was not "established" by Islam.

 

[kritikvernunft]

The medical stricture to "First, do no harm," derives from the original Hippocratic Oath, recorded some 1,000 years before the Quran, and thus was not "established" by Islam.

The most important part of the Hippocratic Oath is this one:

... if they want to learn it, to impart precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the physician’s oath, but to nobody else.

Hippocratic morality therefore amounts to making sure to prevent people, who are not part of the family or a colleague's family, from competing with you. The purpose of this oath is to create a cartel which seeks to monopolize the medical sector and maximize its profits.

It is just another professional cartel of which the internet is happily and mercilessly busy destroying the monopoly.

We have no other option than to replace the vast majority of doctors by software, because otherwise too many people, especially poor ones, will remain without reasonable access to health care. So, the solution to the problem of affordable health care is not insurance, aka more of the same, but a wholesale unemploymentation of the medical profession. Software and the internet have already replaced so many professions, that this is nothing special. I think that everybody pretty much expects it to happen any time soon.

All the cartels must be destroyed. That could very well mean the destruction of the State itself, but that was implied anyway.

 

[jabeady]

The most important part of the Hippocratic Oath is this one:

... if they want to learn it, to impart precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the physician’s oath, but to nobody else.

Hmm. Most people would consider this to be the most important part: "I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but never with a view to injury and wrong-doing. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein.

"Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free. And whatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things to be holy secrets."

The purpose of this oath is to create a cartel which seeks to monopolize the medical sector and maximize its profits.

No, the purpose of the oath is to ensure that students are instructed in the ethics of their prospective profession before they are taught anything else.

 

[kritikvernunft]

...never with a view to injury and wrong-doing...

Even Hitler wrote things like that in his manifesto, mein Kampf. It is just fluff to draw the attention away from what really matters.

No, the purpose of the oath is to ensure that students are instructed in the ethics of their prospective profession before they are taught anything else.

No, the purpose of the oath is to make sure that the students understand that they are joining a cartel which uses its monopoly to suck dry the population and to maximize its profits to the detriment of everyone else. Their goal is to make medicine as expensive as possible. Seriously, Murphy's Law insists that of all interpretations, only the worst matters. I do not trust anything that they swear by Apollo The Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the Gods and Goddesses, making them my witnesses. I really do not believe in their pagan dog shi?t. I will never buy into it. In the One God we trust and in nothing else.

 

[jabeady]

Even Hitler wrote things like that in his manifesto, mein Kampf. It is just fluff to draw the attention away from what really matters.

No, the purpose of the oath is to make sure that the students understand that they are joining a cartel which uses its monopoly to suck dry the population and to maximize its profits to the detriment of everyone else. Their goal is to make medicine as expensive as possible. Seriously, Murphy's Law insists that of all interpretations, only the worst matters. I do not trust anything that they swear by Apollo The Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the Gods and Goddesses, making them my witnesses. I really do not believe in their pagan dog shi?t. I will never buy into it. In the One God we trust and in nothing else.

You see everything in terms of your agenda. The entire medical profession a cartel, that literally anyone can join by simply taking an oath to minister to people? I wonder you don't consider the Quran to be nothing more than a political manifesto.

 

[Zafran]

But it's very well known and it's proven that the universe is expanding ??.....even the Quran says it...

Scientist will say evolution is proven? do you agree with them?

science is based on falsification. Today a theory is right - few experiments later its wrong and some other theory is right etc etc.

 

[kritikvernunft]

You see everything in terms of your agenda.

Well, who doesn't?

The entire medical profession a cartel, that literally anyone can join by simply taking an oath to minister to people?

I think that you may have misunderstood what the oath says. It says that you should not teach the knowledge/secrets to anybody who is not your own son or your teacher's son, et cetera. The purpose is obviously to create a closed, nepotistic, cartel club. They want to keep the money in the family. Fine. I do that too. However, I don't see any reason why the State would legitimize that kind of behaviour, and help enforce their monopoly.

I wonder you don't consider the Quran to be nothing more than a political manifesto.

I have already said what I think about the Quran. It is Divine Law. It is a list of forbidden behaviours from metaphysical origin. The metaphysical origin is the creator of the universe. I don't need that hypocritical oath for anything. I do not believe in it. I do not trust it. I just consider it to be a pagan depravity:

I swear by Apollo The Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the Gods and Goddesses, making them my witnesses.

The true purpose of that oath is Satanic evil, because all these false gods witnessing the oath are shadows of a race of dead pagan dogs wallowing in their own excrement.

 

[Born_Believer]

The Hippocratic oath has been brought up and as a medical student I just want to set the record straight:

The Hippocratic oath now is very different to what may be viewed as the original. It's the same in name only if we're being honest. For example the "do no harm" segment. It no longer applies as cutting a patient open is initially "doing harm". That's how we get taught it.

I won't go into professing allegiance to various Gods of the time.

 

[Al Sultan]

Scientist will say evolution is proven? do you agree with them?

science is based on falsification. Today a theory is right - few experiments later its wrong and some other theory is right etc etc.

Well I obviously don't believe them but,it's proven that the universe is expanding,and the Quran says so..so how come ??