Scientists and ......!

[chalks75]

Infact if you look into it you'd see that the vast majority of people of other faiths do not claim to 'know' and they just guess their religion is true... I've put this to the test and hard-core evangelical Christians have admitted they cannot be absolutely certain of the Truth of their faith... the Quran says that non Muslims just follow conjecture

Muslims are the only people who claim to know without a shred of doubt that's because they're the only people who have really witnessed the Truth...I.e. They have the light of faith in their hearts via which this truth becomes manifest

Well to be fair we cannot know anything 100%

And there are many people of other faiths that claim to know that their gods are real , not just the popular faiths now , but throughout history.

People don’t guess that their religion is true ... they believe it is true , for a variety of reasons,
You believe your religion is true , just like Hindus believe there’s is true , just like the Jews and Christians believe that theirs is true , as the ancient Greeks , Romans , Egyptians , Mayan’s , Incas .... they all believed that their gods were real .

They were all wrong ... given the fact humans have been inventing gods and creating religions .... don’t you think it’s possible that your god and religion is equally an invention

 

[Ahmed.]

Well to be fair we cannot know anything 100%

And there are many people of other faiths that claim to know that their gods are real , not just the popular faiths now , but throughout history.

People don’t guess that their religion is true ... they believe it is true , for a variety of reasons,
You believe your religion is true , just like Hindus believe there’s is true , just like the Jews and Christians believe that theirs is true , as the ancient Greeks , Romans , Egyptians , Mayan’s , Incas .... they all believed that their gods were real .

They were all wrong ... given the fact humans have been inventing gods and creating religions .... don’t you think it’s possible that your god and religion is equally an invention

As I've said, I've put it to the test so why don't you? Ask people of other religions whether they believe 100% without doubt and see what they say.

Your assumption about Muslims' beliefs really comes down to that example I have given earlier, you may think we just believe and not know, but that doesn't change the fact that we do know

Also a casual look into other religions reveals the inconsistencies, the contradictions, the obvious mythologies that they are, unlike Islam which is the only religion without contradictions and which doesn't contradict logic and science either

It's not possible that our faith is mistaken as we have too much overwhelming evidence of its truth and on top of all that there is the inner-vision of witnessing that truth that I've told you about, so we know it's true just like anyone knows 2+2=4

 

[chalks75]

As I've said, I've put it to the test so why don't you? Ask people of other religions whether they believe 100% without doubt and see what they say.

Your assumption about Muslims' beliefs really comes down to that example I have given earlier, you may think we just believe and not know, but that doesn't change the fact that we do know

Also a casual look into other religions reveals the inconsistencies, the contradictions, the obvious mythologies that they are, unlike Islam which is the only religion without contradictions and which doesn't contradict logic and science either

It's not possible that our faith is mistaken as we have too much overwhelming evidence of its truth and on top of all that there is the inner-vision of witnessing that truth that I've told you about, so we know it's true just like anyone knows 2+2=4

If you have evidence then you should not need any faith .

I say you cannot know that your god exists ... it’s just a belief.

To demonstrate this

Could you prove to me that you are not a character in a computer program , programmed to have these beliefs
( silly I know , but it’s true not to demonstrate a point )

Could you prove that this is not the case?

 

[Ahmed.]

If you have evidence then you should not need any faith .

I say you cannot know that your god exists ... it’s just a belief.

To demonstrate this

Could you prove to me that you are not a character in a computer program , programmed to have these beliefs
( silly I know , but it’s true not to demonstrate a point )

Could you prove that this is not the case?

Ah, but here is where we have a different definition to 'faith' then other religions. So as you can see in other religions their very definition of faith means to believe in something there is no proof for, indicating the guessing nature of their beliefs

But our definition is to believe in something based on evidence

 

[chalks75]

Ah, but here is where we have a different definition to 'faith' then other religions. So as you can see in other religions their very definition of faith means to believe in something there is no proof for, indicating the guessing nature of their beliefs

But our definition is to believe in something based on evidence

That’s not true , there are Christians that believe their faith is based on evidence.

Can faith lead you to faulty conclusions ?
Judging by the amount of religions in the world it would seem the answer is yes ... faith is not a reliable path to truth .

What about the second point ... can you prove that you are not part of a computer programme

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you chalks75

Could you prove to me that you are not a character in a computer program , programmed to have these beliefs
( silly I know , but it’s true not to demonstrate a point )

The creation of the universe is history, either at least one God created the universe, or there is no creator god. We can't change history by having a wrong belief, so where is the truth?

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'
Eric

 

[chalks75]

Greetings and peace be with you chalks75


The creation of the universe is history, either at least one God created the universe, or there is no creator god. We can't change history by having a wrong belief, so where is the truth?

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'
Eric

Truth is thing things that can be supported by evidence.

If you cannot show that’s it’s true , you should not claim that’s it’s true .

Can you demonstrate the truth of the statement

Some god exists
Some god created the universe

If you could demonstrate the truth of both or either of those statements ... it would be the greatest discovery of mankind.

I note , you still have not told me how you could prove that you are not just a computer programme developed last week , and programmed to have those beliefs.

If you cannot even prove that’s not true , how could you possibly hope to prove ... that’s not true + there is a god that created the universe

 

[Ümit]

Truth is thing things that can be supported by evidence.

If you cannot show that’s it’s true , you should not claim that’s it’s true .

Can you demonstrate the truth of the statement

Some god exists
Some god created the universe

If you could demonstrate the truth of both or either of those statements ... it would be the greatest discovery of mankind.

I note , you still have not told me how you could prove that you are not just a computer programme developed last week , and programmed to have those beliefs.

If you cannot even prove that’s not true , how could you possibly hope to prove ... that’s not true + there is a god that created the universe

sorry but truth has nothing to do with evidence. in court they always try to find evidence (alibi) to hide the truth (their crime).
then there is prove. one evidence is not always enough to prove something. a lot of people are in jail because they are falsely proven guilty....but the truth is different.
and besides...what do you accept as evidence?
an illiterate man in the desert who can dictate an entire book accurately with a lot of statements in which untill today seems to be true...or at least none of these statements can be proven false...is that evidence enough or not?
the existence of all life...suns...stars...the whole universe....which is highly impossible to be developped out of coincidence...statistically impossible...is that evidence enough to prove God or not? you would say no...but İ would say yes.
that is what its about...denying evidence....denying the truth.

 

[chalks75]

sorry but truth has nothing to do with evidence. in court they always try to find evidence (alibi) to hide the truth (their crime).
then there is prove. one evidence is not always enough to prove something. a lot of people are in jail because they are falsely proven guilty....but the truth is different.
and besides...what do you accept as evidence?
an illiterate man in the desert who can dictate an entire book accurately with a lot of statements in which untill today seems to be true...or at least none of these statements can be proven false...is that evidence enough or not?
the existence of all life...suns...stars...the whole universe....which is highly impossible to be developped out of coincidence...statistically impossible...is that evidence enough to prove God or not? you would say no...but İ would say yes.
that is what its about...denying evidence....denying the truth.

Truth has nothing to do with evidence , that is absurd ( I’m hoping English is not your first language so you don’t fully understand what you have written)

In court ,
Evidence is presented in an attempt to establish the truth.
One side presents evidence in an attempt to convince the jury that the claim is true ( the claim being the defendant is guilty )
The other side presents evidence to persuade the jury that the claim is not true .
( defendant is not guilty )
* please note this does not mean the defendant is innocent.

So to your claim that Muhammad was illiterate ... what evidence can you present that would convince me that , that claim is true .. apart from the claim itself
( a claim cannot be evidence of Itself)

Are there no scientific inaccuracies in the Quran ?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you chalks75

Truth has nothing to do with evidence , that is absurd

The universe came into being somehow, there has to be an explanation that is the 'truth'. The truth is the truth whether you have evidence or not; you cannot change history.

If you have faulty or incomplete evidence, then you cannot find truth.

In court ,
Evidence is presented in an attempt to establish the truth.
One side presents evidence in an attempt to convince the jury that the claim is true ( the claim being the defendant is guilty )
The other side presents evidence to persuade the jury that the claim is not true .
( defendant is not guilty )
* please note this does not mean the defendant is innocent.

You have just describes how 'truth' suffers when clever people argue.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'
Eric

 

[chalks75]

Greetings and peace be with you chalks75



The universe came into being somehow, there has to be an explanation that is the 'truth'. The truth is the truth whether you have evidence or not; you cannot change history.

If you have faulty or incomplete evidence, then you cannot find truth.



You have just describes how 'truth' suffers when clever people argue.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'
Eric

“ the universe came into being somehow “
You don’t know that , the universe could be eternal.

But you are correct , something is either true or not true .
How do we determine what is true ... we look at the evidence .

Sometimes the truth is uncovered because clever people argue.

The problem with using “ a god” as an explanation , you define what a god is.
A god is , what you define a god to be.

Don’t you see the problem here.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you chalks75;

The problem with using “ a god” as an explanation , you define what a god is.
A god is , what you define a god to be.

God created the heavens and the Earth, he always was, always is and always will be.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

 

[Ümit]

“ the universe came into being somehow “
You don’t know that , the universe could be eternal.

But you are correct , something is either true or not true .
How do we determine what is true ... we look at the evidence .

Sometimes the truth is uncovered because clever people argue.

The problem with using “ a god” as an explanation , you define what a god is.
A god is , what you define a god to be.

Don’t you see the problem here.

the best "evidence" you have for the universe is the big bang theory...which explains that the universe had a beginning so it was not eternal...but again a perfect example how evidence relate to the truth.

about the illiterate prophet sas...almost all scholars muslim or nonmuslim agree on that point. just investigate a little and you will find out...but whether you accept that as evidence...that is another point...again....difference between evidence...proof...and truth.

 

[chalks75]

the best "evidence" you have for the universe is the big bang theory...which explains that the universe had a beginning so it was not eternal...but again a perfect example how evidence relate to the truth.

about the illiterate prophet sas...almost all scholars muslim or nonmuslim agree on that point. just investigate a little and you will find out...but whether you accept that as evidence...that is another point...again....difference between evidence...proof...and truth.

The Big Bang theory does not describe the “ beginning” of the universe , it describes the expansion of the universe.
What you said is a common misconception, hawking said “ we may as well consider the Big Bang theory as the beginning, since it’s from that point we can make our measurements “

As for your other point , Muhammad being illiterate.... how many people believe something is true has no bearing on wether it is true.

What evidence “ other than a claim in a book “ is there ?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you chalks 75;

hawking said “ we may as well consider the Big Bang theory as the beginning, since it’s from that point we can make our measurements “

That seems pure laziness, it avoids asking where all the matter of the universe came from. Lets use logic and reason and ask that question.

Peace
Eric

 

[chalks75]

Greetings and peace be with you chalks 75;



That seems pure laziness, it avoids asking where all the matter of the universe came from. Lets use logic and reason and ask that question.

Peace
Eric

I don’t know where all the matter and energy in the universe came from, perhaps it has always existed , perhaps it came into being from a naturalistic event , maybe a god did it, maybe we are in the matrix .

I do not know , I do not claim to know.

What I do know , is the cultures all around the world , for 10,000 years at least have been inventing “ gods” as an explanation.

I have not seen a single shred of evidence that has swayed me to believe any god is real

I believe
There are no real gods
There are only people that believe gods are real.

 

['Abdullah]

Are there no scientific inaccuracies in the Quran ?

No inaccuracies of ESTABLISHED scientific facts. Scientific theories are theories, and theories are not facts.

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I believe
There are no real gods
There are only people that believe gods are real.

Can You Prove That God Does Not Exist?
When asked this question atheists argue that it’s not up to them to provide evidence for proof of God. The problem however with their argument is that if they claim God doesn’t exist then they should provide the evidence.
If atheists have never visited every planet; or if they have never been to every part of the universe; or if they have never seen every star in outer space – then how can they prove that God does not exist?
Atheism in itself is merely a CLAIM – it is NOT a fact.
Atheism is NOT merely a lack of belief – it is an NONFACTUAL CLAIM that God does not exist because there is no proof that He doesn’t exist.

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Should I also ask another question?

If you were to believe a God what attributes you would think God should have?

 

[Ahmed.]

That’s not true , there are Christians that believe their faith is based on evidence.

Can faith lead you to faulty conclusions ?
Judging by the amount of religions in the world it would seem the answer is yes ... faith is not a reliable path to truth .

What about the second point ... can you prove that you are not part of a computer programme

Ofcourse we can prove that we are not part of a computer programme as that's only some silly film called the matrix, only a nutter will think it's real life

 

[chalks75]

No inaccuracies of ESTABLISHED scientific facts. Scientific theories are theories, and theories are not facts.

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Can You Prove That God Does Not Exist?
When asked this question atheists argue that it’s not up to them to provide evidence for proof of God. The problem however with their argument is that if they claim God doesn’t exist then they should provide the evidence.
If atheists have never visited every planet; or if they have never been to every part of the universe; or if they have never seen every star in outer space – then how can they prove that God does not exist?
Atheism in itself is merely a CLAIM – it is NOT a fact.
Atheism is NOT merely a lack of belief – it is an NONFACTUAL CLAIM that God does not exist because there is no proof that He doesn’t exist.

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Should I also ask another question?

If you were to believe a God what attributes you would think God should have?

You don’t understand what a scientific theory is .
Theories explain facts.

If an atheist makes a claim that god does not exist ... then they have the burden of proof.
As it happens , I am not making that claim, I am rejecting your claim that a god exists.

If s god existed , he would guarantee that every person that has ever lived on this planet always had food to eat and water to drink.
They don’t , therefore god as I define it does not exist .

You can always define a god into existence
People have been doing that for 10,000 years at least.

 

[chalks75]

Ofcourse we can prove that we are not part of a computer programme as that's only some silly film called the matrix, only a nutter will think it's real life

Ok prove it ,
You will have solved a problem philosophy have been wrestling with for centuries.

How would you prove we are not part of a computer programme ?