Scientists to Invent a time-machine in near future...BAD IDEA

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- Qatada - said:
Time is a creation of God, He is outside His own Creation. Therefore even if one was to supposedly go back in time - they still wouldn't see God unless God so willed that He be seen.
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That's the one thing that would kill atheism STONE DEAD.

If that happened, i wouldn't be atheist anymore, but i still wouldn't follow a god that doesn't care when his own followers starve, etc. but cares about small things like drinking alcohol or pork etc. (if those are sins)
 
ricardo_sousa said:
no. If he do existed, we would drink some beer and I would ask "wtf is going on in the world!".
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tiene razon, and then God, creator of the entire universe from the smallest quark to the largest galaxy (oh... and also you) would patiently and nervously list out for you his justifications for making a little tiny rock three back from a tiny star in an insignificant galaxy, in dreadful fear you wouldn't like Him. si?

proving once again that atheists don't believe in God, because they don't even know who He is.
 
^^^ like i said... he gives some of us good things and some of us bad things, and make us poor, make us rich, but in the end, it will be a mix of which ones go to heavan...
 
Godless Heathen said:
According to christianity and possibly islam (though i think allah is portrayed more as a metaphysical being than a physical one), god is somehow manifested in a physical form, so it makes sense that we could see him.
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We as muslims do not agree with that, we believe Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) to be a servant and Messenger of God, calling to God's worship and obedience.



And even if allah can't be seen physically, he must have some measurable presence either way.
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He can be seen physically, in a situation which He makes possible. That possibility is in the hereafter as a reward for the believers.


AND, if he isn't manifested physically, i would think it impossible for him to harm me physically too.
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God is real, there is none like Him - so He does not resemble His creation, yet He has many attributes. However, since our knowledge is limited, we do not know how He looks like, so we take these attributes without questioning How their 'Howness' is - if that makes sense.





Regards.
 
truemuslim said:
^^^ yes again true...jayda

he isnt what those idol worshippers call an idol (that they make themselves...wierd they created god to create themm....dumb..?)
he isnt a human....(he created all...incluidng human, not one of humans)
he is nothing we can call except GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD(god.)

so i dont believe air because i have never seen it... i believe we breathe nothing... (not really, this is ___ points of view of god)
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So you can't see it perhaps, but it can be quantified. Fill a balloon with air and you can tell from the pressure inside the balloon there is something in it. you could weigh the balloon and see it's gone up in mass ever so slightly etc.
 
Godless Heathen said:
According to christianity and possibly islam (though i think allah is portrayed more as a metaphysical being than a physical one), god is somehow manifested in a physical form, so it makes sense that we could see him.

Christian secularism (i think, it might be something else) at least makes more sense when it refers to god as a concept/experience rather than his supposed usual bearded self floating in the sky.

And even if allah can't be seen physically, he must have some measurable presence either way.

AND, if he isn't manifested physically, i would think it impossible for him to harm me physically too.
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si,

God did become a man. that left quite an impression on a bunch of people... but since that happened a long time ago so just like: Napoleon; Caesar; George Bernard Shaw and M C Hammer never existed we can be fairly confident God also never existed.
 
Godless Heathen said:
That's the one thing that would kill atheism STONE DEAD.

If that happened, i wouldn't be atheist anymore, but i still wouldn't follow a god that doesn't care when his own followers starve, etc. but cares about small things like drinking alcohol or pork etc. (if those are sins)
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If you want to discuss the issue of evil - then refer to this thread.

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/7938-problem-evil-temp-split-teog-thread.html


A simple explanation to it is that there is a greater good to every evil in this world, although we may not perceive it - God does, since He is the Wise, the Knowing. However, if you want to look into the issue more - maybe you can refer to that link again.




Regards.
 
Godless Heathen said:
So you can't see it perhaps, but it can be quantified. Fill a balloon with air and you can tell from the pressure inside the balloon there is something in it. you could weigh the balloon and see it's gone up in mass ever so slightly etc.
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how do u know its air tho...
 
Godless Heathen said:
So you can't see it perhaps, but it can be quantified. Fill a balloon with air and you can tell from the pressure inside the balloon there is something in it. you could weigh the balloon and see it's gone up in mass ever so slightly etc.
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si,

why would you fill a balloon with adjectives verbs and nouns? and why would you fill your writing with hot air? you quantify things that are subject to the physical world with empiracle science... you quantify things that are not subject to the physical world using other criteria :)

que Dios te bendiga
 
God is real, there is none like Him - so He does not resemble His creation, yet He has many attributes. However, since our knowledge is limited, we do not know how He looks like, so we take these attributes without questioning How their 'Howness' is - if that makes sense.





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I understand that, yeah.

If someone asked me what an elephant looked like and i had never seen an elephant, i'd have to tell them that i don't know what one looks like. That's fair enough.

The thing is, if he isn't measurable on any scale, he can't be proved to exist or not exist either way, which gives people on forums a discussion topic for forever/until armageddon. :D
 
Godless Heathen said:
I understand that, yeah.

If someone asked me what an elephant looked like and i had never seen an elephant, i'd have to tell them that i don't know what one looks like. That's fair enough.

The thing is, if he isn't measurable on any scale, he can't be proved to exist or not exist either way, which gives people on forums a discussion topic for forever/until armageddon. :D
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No, simply knowing Him by what He has given us of His knowledge is sufficient for us. I've mentioned before in a earlier post on another thread that atheists need more faith than believers of a God since they need to accept everything occuring by chance, even if its a chance of 0.00000000000000000000000001% etc.

Whereas believers have a simple explanation to that, that it is all controlled by a Higher being who is perfect and flawless. If one was to argue who created this Higher being, or God - then we would simply say that no-one did, because if God was created, then this created being would not be God, because God is perfect, and therefore not created. :)




Regards.
 
truemuslim said:
anyone know why we cant see air? i dont think it exists, honestly...
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I didn´t want to answer because you are obviously a teenager and it is normal in your age made such remarks...

air, can not been seen, but can be proven that exist. And you can do that, just speak.

God can not be seen and can not be proven that exist. very different.
 
- Qatada - said:
If you want to discuss the issue of evil - then refer to this thread.

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/7938-problem-evil-temp-split-teog-thread.html


A simple explanation to it is that there is a greater good to every evil in this world, although we may not perceive it - God does, since He is the Wise, the Knowing. However, if you want to look into the issue more - maybe you can refer to that link again.




Regards.
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1.It wasn't evil i was getting at so much as just why an omnipotent being would llet the people that are aspiring to him die in futility while godless atheists that don't even belive in him live.

Either he's not as omnipotent as he would have us belive, or he's malevolent. Or he just doesn't give a rat's *** about it.

2. I know it's air because i could use x-ray diffraction and other quantifying methods to make sure. :D and for arguments sake it is air.

3. There needs to be some scale, physical or otherwise, to quantify god or we'll never prove in totality whether he exists or not. Either that or we have to fall back on him as being merely a personal experience, which discredits quite a bit of the scripture, but it works for religious secularists.
 
truemuslim said:
sooo...

anyone know why we cant see air? i dont think it exists, honestly...
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Sounds like nihilism would suit you perfectly :P

You can see air, if you had a corridor of infinite length, eventually you wouldn't be able to see the end because of all the air in the way. Most gases are pretty low in the periodic table, and have a low atomic mass so they are pretty small molecules. Measuring the amount of light absorbed /refracted is a good way of seeing gases/air.
 
- Qatada - said:
No, simply knowing Him by what He has given us of His knowledge is sufficient for us. I've mentioned before in a earlier post on another thread that atheists need more faith than believers of a God since they need to accept everything occuring by chance, even if its a chance of 0.00000000000000000000000001% etc.

Whereas believers have a simple explanation to that, that it is all controlled by a Higher being who is perfect and flawless. If one was to argue who created this Higher being, or God - then we would simply say that no-one did, because if God was created, then this created being would not be God, because God is perfect, and therefore not created. :)




Regards.
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Perhaps, a god could be created entirely perfect by a very low random chance.... :D

Atheistic theism here we come.
 

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