Scores die in Israeli air strikes

[nocturnal]

Hamas had it comin' ...
It's a shame its usually the innocent Palis that suffer most.

Hamas did not provoke this. Throughout the recent "truce", Israel violated it's obligations that it was a signatory to. It launched repeated and sustained incursions into Gaza and the West Bank, and maintained a crippling blockade turning a deaf ear to everyone in the international community, even the UN on whom the entire Gaza population depends. This is quintessential israeli policy, punish anything in Gaza that moves.

Remember all this is being done with tacit approval from Washington.

 

[crayon]

Oh, don't worry, I just added more.
I'm in a rage about this. I am seriously so upset right now I could just scream.
SCREW VIOLENCE, FROM WHICHEVER SIDE IT COMES FROM.

edit- i just realized that my anger and frustration is absolutely nothing compared to those actually involved in all this...imsad

 

[Amadeus85]

Hamas had it comin' ...
It's a shame its usually the innocent Palis that suffer most.

This is no my part of the world and not my war, but what i heard in my tv news, most of the victims were connected to Hamas and their military camps.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Hey, if that happens, and Israeli civilians are killed, it only means that "Israel had it comin' ..", and it would be very "Disgraceful, tragic, sad but (unfortunately) inevitable!", right? So it's not Palestinians that are to blame, but Israelis themselves?!

Palestinas are to blame, but Israel had it coming. The difference is that Israel is able to protect itself and its citizens form Palestinian retaliation and Hamas isn't. On the contrary, Hamas builds its bases and outposts in civilian areas as to prevent Israelis from attacking them - a technique proved to be useless several times before.

 

[crayon]

This is no my part of the world and not my war, but what i heard in my tv news, most of the victims were connected to Hamas and their military camps.

150 terrorists in one go, wow, Israel is getting good, isn't it?! It's even managing to get those sneaky little 5 year old Hamas officials, that's truly astounding..

 

[nocturnal]

Oh, don't worry, I just added more.
I'm in a rage about this. I am seriously so upset right now I could just scream.
SCREW VIOLENCE, FROM WHICHEVER SIDE IT COMES FROM.

edit- i just realized that my anger and frustration is absolutely nothing compared to those actually involved in all this...imsad

Me too. Where are the Saudis, Egyptians, all the other member states of the Arab League now? it's sickening how treacherous despots like Mubarak can meet routinely with the israeli leadership when these are the sort of policies they implement.

The EU is in thrall of the US, so they won't say anything, if any of the poorer nations even attempt to say something, they'll be threatened with a termination of financial and humanitarian aid, coupled with sanctions, and if a resolution is drafted in the UN, it'll be promptly vetoed by the US. That's pretty much where we're at with this whole scenario. You have a nation that with impunity violates the most venerated tenets of international law and human rights all supported by an even more demonic regime in the US.

 

[nocturnal]

Palestinas are to blame, but Israel had it coming. The difference is that Israel is able to protect itself and its citizens form Palestinian retaliation and Hamas isn't. On the contrary, Hamas builds its bases and outposts in civilian areas as to prevent Israelis from attacking them - a technique proved to be useless several times before.

They're living in a coastal strip of land with 1.5 million people in it. Given the size of the land and the population, even the most meticulous military planning cannot always determine locations for military operations that will totally rule out possible civilian casualties. That scenario has come about as a result of israeli policies.

Hamas is a resistance movement, they have every right to engage in that. Part of their doctrine is engaging in guerilla warfare, so that factors into it as well. It has to be seen in the broader context of the conflict, not in a narrow, twisted sense that depicts every resistance faction in Gaza as a group of callous blood thirsty zealots.

 

[Woodrow]

Perhaps the international community needs to be awakened to the fact that not all Palestinians are Muslim.

Gaza is composed of Muslims, Christians and Jews who all happen to be Palestinian.

I wonder if the world outcry would change if it was made known how many of the Palestinians killed are Christian or Jewish?


As recently as 1998 Gaza was only 67% Muslim the remainder being Christian and Jew.

Perhaps it should be pointed out that these Zionist attacks into Gaza have probably killed from 15 to 45 Christians and Jews.

Would the headlines bring a different world opinion if they Read:

"Israeli Attacks into Gaza kill 30 Christians"

That is probably a true statement.

Israel is anti Palestine, no matter what religion the Palestinian follows

 

[Whatsthepoint]

They're living in a coastal strip of land with 1.5 million people in it. Given the size of the land and the population, even the most meticulous military planning cannot always determine locations for military operations that will totally rule out possible civilian casualties. That scenario has come about as a result of israeli policies.

Hamas is a resistance movement, they have every right to engage in that. Part of their doctrine is engaging in guerilla warfare, so that factors into it as well. It has to be seen in the broader context of the conflict, not in a narrow, twisted sense that depicts every resistance faction in Gaza as a group of callous blood thirsty zealots.

I completely agree, Hamas has the right to engage in whatever they want, but on the other hand, so does Israel, so Hamas must expect retaliations.
It is clear that the Mainstream Palestinian and Arab resistance in the past 60 years has proven utterly useless and has only brought civilian casualties and tougher Israeli control.
A proper Palestinian government should worry about the lives and wellbeing of its citizens.
As for there being no room in Gaza for military bases. I'm not sure about that. If its true its not a result of Israeli policies. Its the result of Palestinian demographics.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

They're firing Russian rockets, how is that gonna achieve anything but Israeli retaliation?
I'm not a law expert so I wouldn't know to whom it legally belongs.

The rockets are purely symbolic. Do you honestly expect a couple of blindfire rockets to do anything??? The Palestinians want their land back and this is a sign of defiance.

In your opinion 1 dead from rocket = 200 dead and injured palestinians?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

The rockets are purely symbolic. Do you honestly expect a couple of blindfire rockets to do anything??? The Palestinians want their land back and this is a sign of defiance.
In your opinion 1 dead from rocket = 200 dead and injured palestinians?

Palis should have realized by now that rockets no matter what their purpose is have an adverse effect.
No, but that's what happened and both Hamas and Israel are responsible, Hamas more so.

 

[Thinker]

Either way Israel is always made to seem like they are the ones under attack. Why in the world is someone gonig to blindly fire rockets when the minority are the ones who are in need of cease-fire rather then Israel.

Obviously, Israel - the big guys - are made to seem as the victim.

Can I know what you would have suggested they should have done? (had you been asked by the Israelis)

They ask you the question “how do we stop Hamas firing rockets over the border?” what would you advise?

This is not a rhetorical question I’d really like to know. And, for the record, I think the Jews and the Palestinians are as bad as each other.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Jews should not have come in the first place but now they're here and both parties committed atrocities both prior and after the foundation of Israel, so two state solution seems the only viable solution.
67 borders seem fair enough.

 

[Amadeus85]

150 terrorists in one go, wow, Israel is getting good, isn't it?! It's even managing to get those sneaky little 5 year old Hamas officials, that's truly astounding..

Actually according to tv news, 80 Hamas members were killed, the rest were civilians. On tv thez also said that since last 2 weeks Arabs keep firing long distance rockets at Israeli cities and over 70% of Jews in Israel wanted strong reaction and blamed the israeli goverment on lack of reaction.

 

[Amadeus85]

Perhaps the international community needs to be awakened to the fact that not all Palestinians are Muslim.

Gaza is composed of Muslims, Christians and Jews who all happen to be Palestinian.

I wonder if the world outcry would change if it was made known how many of the Palestinians killed are Christian or Jewish?


As recently as 1998 Gaza was only 67% Muslim the remainder being Christian and Jew.

Perhaps it should be pointed out that these Zionist attacks into Gaza have probably killed from 15 to 45 Christians and Jews.

Would the headlines bring a different world opinion if they Read:

"Israeli Attacks into Gaza kill 30 Christians"

That is probably a true statement.

Israel is anti Palestine, no matter what religion the Palestinian follows

On the other hand, when Hamas or Islamic Jihad shots a rocket in Israel there is 20% of chance that they will kill an Arab(mostly muslim). What you think about that?
Second, nowadays 97% of Gaza citizens are muslims, the christians in majority left in last decade.

 

[Mr. Sandman]

Surely Hamas knew this was going to happen.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Look what is happening in Gaza...are all of these people are terrorists??!! if yes, this should lead to redefine what terrorist is.

This video from BBC website

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDwazKBjTGU[/media]​

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as5oRdybVvc[/media]​

 

[aadil77]

Nine Israeli civilians have been killed by rockets fired from Gaza since it withdrew all settlers and soldiers from the territory in September 2005.

Over the same period, at least 1,400 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli security forces in Gaza, according to figures compiled by B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-air-strikes-on-Gaza-strip-kill-hundreds.html

This bit ticks me of so much, why do these guys have to continue with the crap rocket attacks, they fire hundreds of rockets and acheive absolutely nothing, and in the end the hundreds of innocent muslims lose their lives because of it.

Yes they lost their land, but they acheive nothing with their rocket attacks accept getting more muslims killed, their own rockets have misfired and killed palestinians

 

[Anette]

This is totally out of proportions. The attack is not only wrong it is too much, too hard, too cunning. It’s like using dynamite in order to kill mosquitoes. In Swedish media they think it has something to do with the fact that the Israeli defence minister, Ehud Barak, wants to advance his positions in the upcoming election in February.

My thoughts are with the suffering families.

 

[Thinker]

I asked myself the question – what do the Palestinains want; what does Hamas want; why did Arafat turn down the deal brokered by Clinton in 2000, which would have given the Palestinians most of what they had been asking for?

I have spent the last few hours on the internet trying to find the answer and have concluded that they don’t know what they want short of driving all the Jews out of what is now called Israel and will accept nothing less. Of course that’s not going to happen not least because the Jews have been the owners of what is now Israel and much more since Solomon (3,000 years).

I found this . . . . The Hamas party platform, articulated in the 1988 Hamas Charter, provides a useful glimpse into what they want:

* Hamas' goal is Jihad and the death of Jews (Art. 7);
* All Muslims are duty-bound to commit Jihad against Israel (Art. 12);
* Peace is not an option (Art. 13);
* Western culture is a Zionist plot to distance women from Islam (Art. 17)
* Peace accords are treacherous schemes of Zionists (Art. 32);

So what’s the answer? I am not Jewish and do not support the Jews or the Palestinians but realistically what do the Palestinians expect they can get from killing a few Jews?