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[جوري]

Thanks for reading between the lines professor Layton.
As I have too deduced from yours... to hell with Muslims and their kids it is all about the zionists!

if Israeli's don't like it there, they should take their colonial settler state and set house else where? WWII and the massacres of Jews isn't a Palestinian problem -- It is a European one.. rather than take a lesson from history and what they themselves suffered, they'd rather inflict on folks whom they are constantly mowing down and displacing from their homes..

If you think you are going to guilt me into representing your ill thought self-righteous sentiment.. you are mistaken.. I have actually been there, and I have friends from there--unlike most of you, I actually have a clue what goes on there compared to what your media w hores shove down your throats which you apparently so happily accept!


pls give me a break!

 

[aamirsaab]

Have you ever had such reaction when there was news about wrongdoings of palestinians? Did you also feel, now those palestinians have no place to whine when the innevitable israeli retaliation comes?

You miss my point; it is one-sided all the way. The only thing that is shouted is Palestinian-suicide bomber. Never Israel blows up a school or kills children with sub-machine guns for going to school!

I know Ive never seen anything like that in here when israelis/randon non-muslims were victims of self-proclaimed muslims. Why dont non-muslim victims cause such outrage?

Oh I don't know, maybe because they aren't being slaughtered?

Or do you care about the victims of conflicts around the world and actually know who they are? Do you speak for them as much as you speak for palestinians?

Any and every civilian that has died is whom I speak for. Especially those in 3rd world countries.

My opinion of the conflict. There are victims in both sides in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, but palestinians as hole are not it. As long as they resort to terrorism and violence there is only one group that they can blame for their misery. That group is palestinians.

This is exactly the hypocrisy I am speaking of; if Palestine can be considered terrorists, than so can Israel. Don't single one out for crimes against humanity when the other is doing just as bad.

I agree!!!!

MY GOD!!! THIS definitely deserves a bus load of Israeli children who had nothing to do with this spray painting to be blown up and killed. If there is justice, these children should be burned and then allowed to suffer for a number of days and then die.

Like I said I don't condone any of the violence. But, If you crap in someone elses yard, don't expect a thank you note and don't be suprised when they retaliate.

Hopefully, a lot of Israeli children will die after horribly suffering because of a little spray paint in the name of Allah, the most merciful.

Don't put words into my mouth. Oh and btw, they also trashed a place of worship - yeah clearly the signs of people who aren't terrorists in the slightest. So, are you going to condemn these actions or are you going to point-score as most people do when it comes to this issue. In any case, my point was: what goes around comes around; the bully has no right to cry when his/her victim smacks them right back in the face. No right.

 

[Sahabiyaat]

im doing my dissertation on muslim perspectives on the holocaust, and one of things i look at is why the MCB has boycotted Holocaust Memorial Day until last year, one the reasons being that it doesnt make mention of tthe palestnian genocide.

Jews, however fail to even begin calling it a genocide!.....saying all the thats going on is not genocidal.Funny thing i came accross the defintiion of genocide that they THEMSELVES give;

Consider: The second article of the UN's Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as such:

"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:"

# (a) Killing members of the group;

(that happens everyday!)

# (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(this also happpens everyday)

# (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(cutting off electricity, blocking aid,building walls, uprooting trees that are their livelyhood, ....?)

# (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(killing off all the males...)

# (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

(So many palestinian children in prisons...)

funny isnt it? .they define the above as genocide and claim NONE of this is going on in Palestine, were just imagining it, because were high on the coke they make or something :muddlehea

 

[Keltoi]

In the United States and elsewhere this would be considered a hate crime.

 

[aamirsaab]

In the United States and elsewhere this would be considered a hate crime.

I'm glad it is. Now maybe the US gov'ment can put some pressure on Israel to ensure this kind of stuff doesn't happen again.

 

[Suomipoika]

You miss my point; it is one-sided all the way. The only thing that is shouted is Palestinian-suicide bomber. Never Israel blows up a school or kills children with sub-machine guns for going to school!

You must have missed a hole lot of news. If you were Israeli supporter your arguement would be quite similar. This time it would be a whine about how media portrays israelis as evil occupier, bad settlers and collective punishers and never about the rocket fire and suicide-bombers. Both sides whine extremely about the one-sidedness of the media. Honestly I see plenty of news of wrongdoings from both, but for some reason depending on your side, quite many people seem to register only half of the news.

Oh I don't know, maybe because they aren't being slaughtered?

Really? What do you call victims of suicide bombers, rocket fire and those random acts of violence like the school attack you mentioned? They werent slaughtered?

Any and every civilian that has died is whom I speak for. Especially those in 3rd world countries.

But you didnt answer my question. Can you honestly say you know all the ethnicities and sides and who started and did what in those conflicts? Do you care enough about them so that you know who and what they are. Or are you just like the rest of the world, speak nice words for 3rd world when asked but dont really care at all?

This is exactly the hypocrisy I am speaking of; if Palestine can be considered terrorists, than so can Israel. Don't single one out for crimes against humanity when the other is doing just as bad.

Bit selective in your quoting, arent we? This is also what I said:

Both sides are so busy killing eachothers children and crying wolf, that most of the world is doing their best ignoring it. I find it ironic that both those who side with palestinians and those who side with israelis keep complaining about media bias.

Bluntly, israelis are to be blamed for their misery as much as palestinians are to be blamed for their misery. Both sides love killing each others children more than they love growing their own.

the bully has no right to cry when his/her victim smacks them right back in the face. No right.

[sarcasm]Exactly, and now that israeli settlers have smacked the bully right back in the face, the bullies have no right to cry.[/sarcasm] +o(

 

[Keltoi]

I'm glad it is. Now maybe the US gov'ment can put some pressure on Israel to ensure this kind of stuff doesn't happen again.

I'm not sure what pressure the U.S. could bring that would alter the behavior of Israeli settlers. Or what the Israeli government could do for that matter. Besides punishing them of course, which probably won't happen as I'm sure we all agree.

U.S. influence on Israel is largely overstated. They are like an independent little brother that comes to family meals and nods politely as the old folks tell them what they should do, then go home and do what they want to do anyway. I agree the U.S. should be more aggressive in demanding that Israel make more concessions to achieve a lasting peace deal though. Perhaps blackmail them if necessary. If they want American aid they must do A and B.

 

[aamirsaab]

Not going to get into a debate again, so am minimising the convo to these points.

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But you didnt answer my question. Can you honestly say you know all the ethnicities and sides and who started and did what in those conflicts? Do you care enough about them so that you know who and what they are. Or are you just like the rest of the world, speak nice words for 3rd world when asked but dont really care at all?

As I said: all civilians throughout the history of mankind. No I don't know all their names and ethnicities, but that doesn't mean I don't care. My point was when it comes to this issue it always seems to be one-sided and usually in favour of Israel.

Bluntly, israelis are to be blamed for their misery as much as palestinians are to be blamed for their misery. Both sides love killing each others children more than they love growing their own.

Fine, at least you hold a balanced view point. That's all I am after.

I'm not sure what pressure the U.S. could bring that would alter the behavior of Israeli settlers. Or what the Israeli government could do for that matter. Besides punishing them of course, which probably won't happen as I'm sure we all agree.

Surely though, the US could at least stop the military funding, no?

U.S. influence on Israel is largely overstated. They are like an independent little brother that comes to family meals and nods politely as the old folks tell them what they should do, then go home and do what they want to do anyway.

I see. Didn't know that - it's always been my view that the US is best buddies with Israel, what with it's ridiculous spending on the Israeli military and whatnot.

I agree the U.S. should be more aggressive in demanding that Israel make more concessions to achieve a lasting peace deal though. Perhaps blackmail them if necessary. If they want American aid they must do A and B.

Well, I'd prefer if if they stopped supporting them completely to be honest and at the very least call Israel up on their actions - the US might not have that much influence over Israel, but it definitely has more compared to any other country on the planet. They are quite possibly the only country able to stop the israel and palestinian feud.

 

[Keltoi]

Surely though, the US could at least stop the military funding, no?

They could of course, but the U.S. military partnership with Israel goes back to the Cold War. It is in our best interests for a strong democray to exist in that region, and even more in our interest to have a strong military ally in the region.

I see. Didn't know that - it's always been my view that the US is best buddies with Israel, what with it's ridiculous spending on the Israeli military and whatnot.

As I pointed out above, it is in the best interests of the U.S. for Israel to be militarily powerful. Outside of the Palestinian issue, the enemies of Israel are by and large enemies of the United States.

Well, I'd prefer if if they stopped supporting them completely to be honest and at the very least call Israel up on their actions - the US might not have that much influence over Israel, but it definitely has more compared to any other country on the planet. They are quite possibly the only country able to stop the israel and palestinian feud.

Stop the feud? I'm not sure about that. Israel has shown restraint in the past when it came to taking suicide and rocket attacks without major retaliation. However, that accomplished nothing. The U.S., which sort of erupted into a violent frenzy after 9-11, cannot tell Israel that they can't retaliate in the face of terrorism. I agree the situation is more complicated than "terrorism vs. Israel", but when a Hamas recruited suicide bomber commits suicide by nailbomb in a crowded grocery store it sort of overshadows any legitimate political grievance.

 

[Suomipoika]

As I said: all civilians throughout the history of mankind. No I don't know all their names and ethnicities, but that doesn't mean I don't care. My point was when it comes to this issue it always seems to be one-sided and usually in favour of Israel.

Actually my point was against your remark how people in general dont give a **** about palestinians and how Israel is supposedly hell-bent destroying them (for whatever reason in your search for balanced view you dont bring up at all how hell-bent quite a few palestinians and their supporters are destroying israel) and how the world doesnt side with victims. And while the world supposedly should care about palestinians, you yourself dont even know who the bullies and victims are in other conflicts.

At the same time, you dont even speak for all civilian victims throughout the history of mankind, even with being a human, israeli victims dont exist for you. With all the bombings and rocket fire, as you said, israeli victims are not being slaughtered, so they do not seem to deserve similar bittersweet love as palestinians do. I can only wonder why not?

Fine, at least you hold a balanced view point. That's all I am after.

So why dont you bring up fair and balanced view point? Because on this forum, the view point is anything but balanced, and you eagerly joined the one side that is already overly represented. Why not speak for the misery of israeli side with as much passion as you speak for misery of palestinian side? Your view point isnt that balanced if you just speak for palestinians, is it?

Personally I hope for balanced view too, I really dont see one here. All I see is Geert Wilders style handpicked propaganda in form of pictures of israeli and palestinian children and attempts to use possible tabus that greatly offend non-muslims like holocaust to further the onesided agenda for palestinians and attempts to justify terrorism or blame it on victim by labelling the possible victims as bullies who deserve it.