Sex slavery IS permissible? Really?

[UnNaMeD__]

Do you have any source to back up what you're saying? More specifically about ISIS announcing that it's halal to take Yazidi women as sex slaves and rape them because they are not muslims or from the people of the books. I'm asking mainly because this is such a serious accusation, and if you can't provide solid proof then we have to say that you're just making things up. Solid proof btw, would be a legit video from ISIS of them saying that stuff.

Here you go:
w w w .ijreview. c o m/2014/10/187212-isis-magazine-says-rape-enslavement-non-muslim-women-follows-islamic-tradition/

Remove spaces from link as I cant post links due to low number of posts.

 

[UnNaMeD__]

Here's a short clip that gives an interesting insight into slavery.

Watched it but things are unclear:

1. What if slaves don't want any relation with you?
2. If you can simply marry and have relations, then why you do this without marriage?

And whats your view on what ISIS is doing today? Thanks

 

[M.I.A.]

https://www.rt.com/news/311612-un-isis-sex-slave/

They could just jerk of to internet porn but then they would just go to hell...

Supporting America n all.

...I can't even tell if that was a joke.

...and there hands would get pregnant :/


Although that reminds me of the only thing I can even remotely relate to the situation...

Those that your right hands possess are lawful unto you..

Make of it what you will.

 

[ardianto]

Do you have any source to back up what you're saying? More specifically about ISIS announcing that it's halal to take Yazidi women as sex slaves and rape them because they are not muslims or from the people of the books. I'm asking mainly because this is such a serious accusation, and if you can't provide solid proof then we have to say that you're just making things up. Solid proof btw, would be a legit video from ISIS of them saying that stuff.

I know the sin of making false accusation or making false news about other people, and I am willing to bear responsibility in akhira if I lie with what I say in this thread.

I observe ISIS activities not from Western source, but from ISIS affiliate sources that created to propagate their messages. Yeah, I didn't find video or photo about sex slavery toward Yezidi women. But I find article that explain why they enslave Yezidi women. They clearly said that sex slavery like this is sunnah, especially because Yezidi are not Muslims or People of the book. They used argument from Qur’an verse. They seek justification from stories of sahabah. In example, they said that Ali bin Abu Thalib (ra) had 19 slaves and he slept with all of them, and even had children from few of them.

Sex slavery toward Yezidi women is something that not secret. There are many reports, there are many witness, and ISIS themselves do not deny it. Even then ISIS gave explanation which justify their enslavement toward Yezidi women. This is a confession from the perpetrator that stronger than other evidences.

I am sorry if I can't give link to the sources because those sites are created to propagate ISIS messages and I will not participate in propagating their messages. But like I've said, if I lie about it, then I am willing to bear responsibility in akhira.

 

[UnNaMeD__]

Can anyone see this and tell me is it true or not the bold text?

Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150)

Its posted on a site thats banned from my country, anyway below is link:

goo. gl/oAVd2H
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[M.I.A.]

Can anyone see this and tell me is it true or not the bold text?




Its posted on a site thats banned from my country, anyway below is link:

goo. gl/oAVd2H
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That verse is given context which I did not know about before..

Although it is very similar to most translations.

Mayweather

 

[UnNaMeD__]

I know the sin of making false accusation or making false news about other people, and I am willing to bear responsibility in akhira if I lie with what I say in this thread.

I observe ISIS activities not from Western source, but from ISIS affiliate sources that created to propagate their messages. Yeah, I didn't find video or photo about sex slavery toward Yezidi women. But I find article that explain why they enslave Yezidi women. They clearly said that sex slavery like this is sunnah, especially because Yezidi are not Muslims or People of the book. They used argument from Qur’an verse. They seek justification from stories of sahabah. In example, they said that Ali bin Abu Thalib (ra) had 19 slaves and he slept with all of them, and even had children from few of them.

Sex slavery toward Yezidi women is something that not secret. There are many reports, there are many witness, and ISIS themselves do not deny it. Even then ISIS gave explanation which justify their enslavement toward Yezidi women. This is a confession from the perpetrator that stronger than other evidences.

I am sorry if I can't give link to the sources because those sites are created to propagate ISIS messages and I will not participate in propagating their messages. But like I've said, if I lie about it, then I am willing to bear responsibility in akhira.

I agree what you said, they don't deny it. It means they do it.

 

[Abz2000]

it is forbidden to have have sex in public.

And all married women (are forbidden) unto you

.
it is forbidden to have sex with a woman who is married to another man.

save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.

appears to imply the marriage bond which has been permanently dissolved once a slave has been lawfully taken.
The husband would no longer be allowed to have sex with the woman.

that's regarding the quranic verse.
regarding the doubtful hadith, as mentioned before, people are required to have hayaah and are not allowed to have sex in front of other people or record or witness the lawful sexual relations between others.
by lawful we mean according to the Universal Laws of Allah as enshrined in the Quran and Sunnah, to be interpreted with faith and sincerity in obedience and submission to Allah.

 

[M.I.A.]

it is forbidden to have have sex in public.

.
it is forbidden to have sex with a woman who is married to another man.



appears to imply the marriage bond which has been permanently dissolved once a slave has been lawfully taken.
The husband would no longer be entitled to have sex with the woman.

that's regarding the quranic verse.
regarding the doubtful hadith, as mentioned before, people are required to have hayaah and are not allowed to have sex in front of other people or record or witness the lawful sexual relations between others.
by lawful we mean according to the Universal Laws of Allah as enshrined in the Quran and Sunnah, to be interpreted with faith and sincerity in obedience and submission to Allah.

Does this have any bearing on the Shi'a approach of temporary marriages...

The current practises of ISIS?

 

[Abz2000]

temporary marriage is forbidden, reading through Sahih Muslim should make that clear.
And Allah knows the Mufsid from the Muslih.

by temporary marriage we mean: marriage with the intention of divorce.






unamed - the hadith from Sahih Muslim below, along with understanding of Quran and use of intellect clearly demonstrate the falsehood of the hadith you posted above, the controversial nature of your questions are being answered with patience,
if you are here to sincerely obey Allah, learn, and convey His message, then you are most welcome, if however your intention is for fitnah and discord in rebellion against Allah and His Messenger, repent, or take a rope to the ceiling and see if that removes your doubts.
هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاء تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلاَّ أُوْلُواْ الألْبَابِ

{7*003:007*Khan:
It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'an).
In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam (commandments, etc.), Al-Fara'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)];
and others not entirely clear.
So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah.
And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding.

 

[M.I.A.]

temporary marriage is forbidden, reading through Sahih Muslim should make that clear.
And Allah knows the mufsid from the Muslih.

Well thanks for that, job done I suppose.

 

[UnNaMeD__]

Hmmm. saying me to commit suicide - sin? What ever I posted above ISN'T created by me and was on some site. I posted to know whats truth, that's nothing wrong on questioning, I just don't want to things unclear.

 

[Moshy]

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

6.Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

[al-Mu’minoon 23:6; al-Ma’aarij 70:30]

That is subject to the condition that he has acquired her in a proper manner, and that this slave woman has not been given by her master in marriage to another man to whom she is still married. The reason why this is permitted is that this slave woman belongs to him, either because he has paid money to buy her or he has fought for the sake of Allaah (and acquired her among the war booty).

http://islamqa.info/en/13737

 

[UnNaMeD__]

That verse is given context which I did not know about before..

Although it is very similar to most translations.

Mayweather

Thanks brother, I think this website is run by some non-Muslims and thats reason its banned in my country already. I went their thru google.