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[FONT=&quot]Shaykh Yasir Burhami

All praise is due to Allah and may the peace and blessings be upon the Messenger of Allah.

The entire world is congratulating Obama and the US…As for myself, then I congratulate Usama – if what they say is true about his death – for indeed, you have obtained what you desired!

You did not leave your palaces and your wealth behind to go the rugged mountaintops and caves except to attain this ending. I also congratulate all the Mujahideen for indeed your companion was killed with his head held high, not submitting to the enemies of Allah. He died honourably in a time of change and revolution…I ask Allah to accept him from amongst the martyrs.

Having said that, we did differ with him in many issues, such as where the priority of our work should lie, the permissibility of the actions that some who ascribe themselves to him have done in the Muslim world as well as the west such as 9/11 etc. Despite that, I cannot hold myself but to be absolutely certain that he wanted victory for Islam and to restore honour for the Muslims and that he was despised by the enemies of this religion and someone who loved Jihad in the way of Allah, whether he was correct or mistaken in his opinions.

Celebrations are being seen in the west due to his death, but perhaps celebrations are in store in the heavens for his arrival – if the news is true – for Allah (swt) says:

“And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision. Rejoicing in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounty, and they receive good tidings about those [to be martyred] after them who have not yet joined them - that there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.” (3:169-170)

Bush explicitly declared his war of crusades and as a result occupied Afghanistan and Iraq for the expensive price of the blood of our martyrs and injured, but despite that the unequivocal reality is that the spirit of Jihad is still alive in the Ummah and that it will not surrender to its enemy…

Indeed for the spirit of Jihad to remain, it sets a heavy cost upon us and this incident has only proven to actualise the promise of the Prophet (saw) who said: “This religion will continue to remain established with a group from the Muslims fighting until the hour is established.” (Muslim), and I consider that the Taliban and those who are fighting with them to be from this group.

Moreover, the assassinations and murders that the US have become so accustomed to that are done in the name of terrorism, that is what they have ended up doing so evidently as if other states have no sovereignty over their own lands!

Let us therefore know the scales the west use in the likes of Gitmo, Abu Ghuraib and the secret prisons in Afghanistan to determine how they understand and implement human rights! Or is it the case that they do not consider Muslims to fall under the species of ‘humans’? And I think that is the case!

A lot of pain and effort did he sacrifice, however it was all done in order to actualise the words of Allah:

“Thus do We expound the revelations that the way of the criminals may be manifest.” (6:55).

So let every person know his standing and the truth of his loyalty.

There remains to be said: the right to resist occupation and for the people to assist in that has been sanctioned by the shariah and even international law. The Muslim nation will not stop due to the death of a person - who had such distinguishing leadership skills in the field of Jihad – their path to realize their freedom and their desire to live by their faith. However we reiterate that it is compulsorily to adhere to the principles of the shariah with regard to the rulings of Jihad. Thus we should not break any covenants, nor mutilate or kill any women or children even if they - the disbelievers - were to do so.

As for them throwing his corpse into the sea as they claim, then this is something that cannot harm him, rather it will only raise his ranks and status by the persmission of Allah. However, what does become apparent by such an incident is the ugly face of America, which knows no sanctity to life or death!

This in reality will only bolster people’s love for him even amongst those who condemned some of his actions. This will also increase their hatred for America even amongst those who were sympathetic towards them due to the sufferings they faced.

Finally, we ask Allah (swt) to accept him from the martyrs and that He accept his good deeds and that He overlooks his mistakes he had.

Original Arabic here: [FONT=&quot]موقع أنا السلفى | هنيئًا لك "أسامة".. هنيئًا لكم أيها المجاهدون[/FONT]

Jazaahullaahu khayran - the person who translated it.[/FONT]
 
Oh the irony.

So it is permissible, even heroic, to target civilians if it is a Muslim doing it. In fact they spend eternity in paradise, yet killing Muslims is horrible beyond belief.

We must understand, according to this logic, that Muslims can do no wrong and Muslims are to be rewarded by God for killing as many non-Muslims as they can. How gratifying.

How pathetic.
 
Bin Laden was in the right to fight Kuffar invading Muslim lands, but killing innocents is where the line had to be drawn. Let Allah(swt) judge him in the end.
 
Do we actually know if Ben Laden killed civilians? Everything that comes to you courtesy of the west is nicely doctored up a la mode of Hollywood.. how fast we forget the story of Tillman .. killed heroically fighting the evil taliban when the actuality is he was killed by fellow morons in a friendly exchange since pig eating beer chugging twits are best suited to pose nude or make others pose nude for pix while collecting their body parts as souvenirs ..

fact of the matter is the only truth we know of ben laden is that he didn't like western forces in Muslim land and gave his monumental wealth up to fight that..

they just need to create a cloud of miasma so folks won't question all the carnage and misery they've unleashed upon the world!

:w:
 
Oh the irony.

So it is permissible, even heroic, to target civilians if it is a Muslim doing it. In fact they spend eternity in paradise, yet killing Muslims is horrible beyond belief.

We must understand, according to this logic, that Muslims can do no wrong and Muslims are to be rewarded by God for killing as many non-Muslims as they can. How gratifying.

How pathetic.

Now wait a minute. Jihad is about fighting the enemy...the invading army....the soldiers. It has nothing to do with killing civilians like some of your people do (read collateral damage) or even damage property or trees. Just because a few people believe it is permissible doesn't change anything and Islaam will always remain the truth. No matter what you say.

I cannot believe you say these things when you know its YOUR people who killed millions of innocent people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki....in Afghanistan...in Iraq.

And about this 9-11 of yours can you say amen to my prayer here: "May God curse, destroy and shame every single human being who was responsible (and cover up) for the attacks on 9-11"?

My point is all people in the world whether they are Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or whatever want to live a peaceful life. Only a few nut-cases who are hungry for power and money do all these nasty things and blame it on someone else. There are bad people on all sides, so how come you blame the most beautiful religion on earth.

God has given you intelligence...just think...be logical...this guy even if he wanted to could not have carried out those attacks...its impossible...period. When we say its an inside job we don't say the Americans did it..we just say its a few power-hungry heartless fools (yes they are fools - they don't know what God will do to them) who did it and they surely have the resources for doing that. And they have the biggest war machine on their side as well which is the media.

Now you will reply by saying you are blaming a handful of misguided Muslims as well...WRONG...the media has done its best to bring Islaam into the picture (72 houris anyone!!). This kind of deliberate propaganda hurts sincere Muslims you know. Now when we talk about the so called "conspiracy theories" we never say "the Christians did it" or "the Americans did it"...its those neocons...don't you get it. Its their "divide and rule" policy. They just want Ahmed and John to have a fight so they can have control over everything.

I am sorry if sounded so random...I was just trying to speak my heart out. Like all sincere Muslims around the world I was deeply saddened by what happened on that day and the moment I saw the plane hit one of the towers on BBC I knew it was the work of some enemies of Islaam.

Just imagine...a guy who is going to heaven (to get his 72 houris) ...he is the smartest person on earth to stage such a big attack on the most secure country on earth and doesn't even have the common sense to realize its gonna kill millions and millions of his fellow Muslims because of this single act. BTW, the "millions of millions" is NOT exaggerated. You won't get that on your FOX news. So who benefited from 9-11? Hunh? WHO??
 
Now wait a minute. Jihad is about fighting the enemy...the invading army....the soldiers.

To some people, yes. Others believe something different and one of those people was Bin Laden. A quote from a fatwah he wrote in 1998:


The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.

Does that jibe with your definition?

If not, then do you agree with the people who say he should be honored?
 
To some people, yes. Others believe something different and one of those people was Bin Laden. A quote from a fatwah he wrote in 1998:


The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.

Does that jibe with your definition?

If not, then do you agree with the people who say he should be honored?

How about you find me his original quote and in Arabic? I am starting to be sick of what you spew!
 
How about you look it up yourself since you are more familiar with sites in Arabic than I am. It is the fatwah that he issued in 1998.

Do that then get back to me and tell me what a hero this man was.
 
How about you look it up yourself since you are more familiar with sites in Arabic than I am. It is the fatwah that he issued in 1998.

Do that then get back to me and tell me what a hero this man was.

you're the one who introduced it into the topic as factual, I am not here to do your homework for you!
put up or shut up!
 
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Once again I eagerly await your extremely intelligent and mature response.

I see no original quotes from ben laden in there furthermore the article says to wage war on Zionists and Fundies!

would you recognize intelligence? I rather think you need to attach a bib to catch all that drool?
 
I see no original quotes from ben laden in there furthermore the article says to wage war on Zionists and Fundies!

The fatwah was issued by Bin Laden. If your translation is different than every other that I have seen please tell us where they differ, especially the part in which all other translations say he says to kill all Americans. Put up or shut up, to repeat your own post.
 
The fatwah was issued by Bin Laden. If your translation is different than every other that I have seen please tell us where they differ, especially the part in which all other translations say he says to kill all Americans. Put up or shut up, to repeat your own post.

The fatwa isn't issued by bin laden in fact the title says ' naas bayen aljabha al'islmya al3alamya' aljabha al'islamya doesn't = bin laden!
and the war is waged on fundies and Zionists who are in the occupied territory!

Yeah, Indeed put up or shut up!
 
Afraid to do it? I understand.

to do what you under educated droll? is that your response for being cornered into the rat hole where you best belong? why not stick it into google scholar and highlight the part where ben laden comes to play? is just to appease your own sensibilities if you have any!
 
τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1434829 said:
Do we actually know if Ben Laden killed civilians?
Exactly! I have not seen proof that he was responsible for what he was accused of perpetrating. Note that the Taliban asked for such proof before the US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. How did he implode the 47-story building WTC7 (Salomoan Brothers) and plant unexploded nanothermite and its signature iron-rich micro-spheroid reside in the WTC dust?
 
Exactly! I have not seen proof that he was responsible for what he was accused of perpetrating. Note that the Taliban asked for such proof before the US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. How did he implode the 47-story building WTC7 (Salomoan Brothers) and plant unexploded nanothermite and its signature iron-rich micro-spheroid reside in the WTC dust?

I tell you if you remotely think a negative thought of them purely based on the heinous crimes they've committed it automatically has you on an FBI most wanted, a terrorist, and you just need to pad that with enough islamists/extremists/wahabbist to give it that extra oomph.. like the tawdry romance novels they write it is all about evocative wording nothing factual whatsoever.. God forbid you dig deeper and use your brain you conspiracy theorist!

:w:
 
Afraid to do it? I understand.

Bin Laden never admitted to being behind 9/11. He might have praised it, but that's different from actually doing it. For all you know, the American's just pinned a random person.
 
Oh the irony.

So it is permissible, even heroic, to target civilians if it is a Muslim doing it. In fact they spend eternity in paradise, yet killing Muslims is horrible beyond belief.

We must understand, according to this logic, that Muslims can do no wrong and Muslims are to be rewarded by God for killing as many non-Muslims as they can. How gratifying.

How pathetic.

This made me lol. The only irony is that this is coming from someone part of a nation which has killed millions of civilians in countless wars. If you added up all the victims of Al Qaeda it wouldn't equal the number of innocent people killed in the search for Bin Laden alone.

I know Bin Laden never admitted to 9/11 but does anyone know if he admit to the embassy attacks in Africa? or any attack which killed innocents?