Sh. Yasir Burhami on the Death of Sh. Usama Bin Laden

[جوري]

Sometimes Occams Razor is the best way to use your mind.

Let us know beyond memorization when application starts working for you!

Yes, those cave dwellers are something to be proud of.

There is also the video of some of these cave dwellers, along with Bin Laden,

Indeed I can think of no greater honor than to die in a state of jihad!

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So not only video evidence of the men involved in the hijackings but also the man who was just killed in Pakistan speaking with them.

But the convenient part of conspiracy theories is that you can just claim it was faked. Everything that goes against the conspiracy theories is faked, I have come to learn.

Aha.. whatever makes your simpleton mind happy-- difficult for folks with PhD's to break down things to minions to easily digestible bits.. and frankly not worth it after a while!

best,

 

[جوري]

Hold on a moment. You are not a fundy? Maybe it is your hostile tone, but all this time I thought you were a fundy muslim. That isn't so?

as much as you're an atheist fundie .. are you delusional or simply too good to be true?

Um, you've been here since 2009, yes? So why does the above surprise you? We could be talking about anything whatsoever and she'd be hostile and frothing at the mouth towards non-muslims.

speaking of frothing at the mouth, isn't that what the bib beneath your macroglossal tongue in your avy is for?
you ought to read up on projection!

best,

 

[Pygoscelis]

Yeah but he is blaming Muslims in general. And I clearly stated that we have nothing against peace loving people whatever their race or religion maybe (Jews included.) It's just a bunch of prower-hungry morons who want to rule the world. They can "buy" a few hypocrites from our side to make Islaam look bad and give them excuse to attack our people and our lands. But still we don't blame the American people. We know who the real culprits are.

And their logic that "so many people cannot keep a such a big secret" is flawed. They are dreaming. Anyone with a pea sized brain knows that if he were to come out with a single proof, he and his family will be in Gitmo the next day.

Very well put.

 

[ICYUNVMe]

Continuing this argument is bordering on pointless. The majority of the outspoken individuals on this board would support the belief that the worst Muslim is still better than the best Kaffir. Osama Bin Laden was unquestionably a terrorist who DID kill civilians, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. And the evidence that he supported such attacks by others and was viewed by a wide swath of the fundamentalist Muslim community as a Leader speaks for itself to anyone with intelligence.

But that is irrelevant, you see? Because Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim. It doesn't matter what he did. There will always be a justification for a Muslim who behaves in such a way.

I have no doubt that there are Muslims out there who understand that one must still condemn those who should be condemned, regardless of whether or not he/she shares your religion. However, that number is either too small, or they are afraid to speak up. Instead, as is the case with almost anything, the people on the fringe are the ones who speak the loudest.

Your hypocritical claims to Moral Superiority are thrown out the window when Osama Bin Laden is looked upon as an innocent victim. It would serve you well to remember that.

 

[جوري]

However, that number is either too small, or they are afraid to speak up.

Funny stuffs-- anyone who defends Ben Laden is as good as rounded up for gitmo.. this however is the age of the great schism. There are indeed hypocrites who would stand shoulder to shoulder with a kaffir like you, and support the death of hundreds of thousands of Muslims to date for something that was clearly an inside job.. and then there are those who say it as it is regardless of what it means to their welfare and livelihood!

speaking of which, why is this guy still here? this is the guy who admitted day one he'd want to tie a Muslim to a Humvee and have his body paraded in NYC? as far as I am concerned we don't need more trash on this forum. It stinks enough as is with its usual veterans!

 

[جوري]

*** mods****

I know no one likes taking out the garbage but I really think it is time for spring cleaning

best,

 

[Scimitar]

Hello, and Salaam.

New here so um, forgive me for intruding here but I just read through this thread... I gotta say, it's just like reading youtube comments. Can everyone please stop getting shot?

We can argue pedantics regarding the specifics until our e-penis' drop off, but it won't get you anywhere... especially in your spiritual development - and forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why we're all here for in the first place? Whether you are a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Aetheist, or a polka dot clad alien?

If you're here to troll then um... it's pretty transparent. Seriously, enough of this "You Moo Slims ayre all in with this whole OBL is the best" thing and us Muslims need to stop creating topics on Islamic forums which talk sensitive politics regarding hot-to-burn issues. Somewhere along the line, you'll get one Muslim who thinks "Ooh look - he's dissing Islam - I'm gonna let him have it" - just like you get people from all faiths who have a zeal and want to protect the image of the faith they so love and abide by... zealots come from all religions, even aethism (yeah, I beleive its a religion too - since it requires faith to beleive in something that hasnt been proven, ie: Evolution)... So let's please stop getting shot.

I know I'm new here, and I don't wanna take liberty with my opinion, but my vote is to close this thread... it's an embarrassment. Sorry.

 

[جوري]

it's just like reading youtube comments

Except this isn't youtube, it is an Islamic forum.. It isn't becoming of guests to incommode their hosts especially with mainstream garbage otherwise I have many junk bonds I'd love to sell to the next sucker and in this case it isn't a simple case of incommoding.. in fact the word trolling as you so mention would fit the bill!

best,

 

[Scimitar]

Salaam sister.

I see your point. I take that and let it mull its way into my being, so I don't "incommode" you in future... what a word. Impressed. But hey, I hope you can acknowledge my pov too... It's pretty disheartening to see the same debates degrading into battle-wits, reminiscent of the slurring contests I see you on youtube. I came here to escape that kind of gabble. However, I'm not going to let this experience interfere in my view of all else I have seen around the place. It's pretty well on point imo.

I hope you and I can agree to not harbour any animosity towards eachother, and amicably move on insha-Allah. Amin.

 

[جوري]

I hope you and I can agree to not harbour any animosity towards eachother, and amicably move on insha-Allah. Amin.

I harbor no ill toward anyone who have declared themselves Muslim.. This can be a nice forum pairwise ..I am finding it hard to be able to stand kaffirs now a days on the forum and off it!

 

[MustafaMc]

Sometimes Occams Razor is the best way to use your mind.

Wikipedia - Occam's razor ... is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects. For instance, they must both sufficiently explain available data in the first place. The first and simplest HYPOTHESIS or theory is not always best if it does not explain the available data. The Nano-Thermite link you inserted does not attempt to explain in ANY capacity this scientific paper: http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm

Actually, no. A building collapsing is going to look like that. And no, the WTC did not collapse at free fall speed.

The scientific evidence says that WTC building 7 (Salamon Brothers) did collapse for sometime at free-fall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUSJm--tgw

Plus, if you think about it, do you really think that it is plausible that the government could plant all of the tons of explosives without anyone in the building knowing about it, and then accurately fly the planes (in both buildings) right into the floors where the explosives are planted without damaging them so that they could (by remote control I assume) set off the explosions at a later time? Let's not even mention how many thousands of people would have to be involved in such a conspiracy to be able to pull it off, yet 10 years later not a single one has come out to say anything?

This is ALWAYS the response I get with no refutation attempted of the actual points raised. I have not said anything about who-dunit, but rather raise questions that the official story with OBL and 19 Muslims does not answer. All I want is a simple logical answer. Similarly, while you are at it, I want to know how Jesus can be the 'Son' of God and at the same time be God himself.

 

[titus]

This is ALWAYS the response I get with no refutation attempted of the actual points raised. I have not said anything about who-dunit, but rather raise questions that the official story with OBL and 19 Muslims does not answer.

Then we are at an impasse. You cannot answer my questions, and I cannot answer yours.

These conspiracy theories started right after 9/11 and these questions are asked, then answered. Then more questions are asked, and then answered. And the story evolves over years. First it was not a plane that hit the Pentagon but a missile. Then there was the secret message to Jews to not go to work that day. Then there was the story that it wasn't even the real planes that hit the towers but military planes.

So please, if you refuse to answer my questions how can you expect me to answer yours? I can bet you, though, that for every question I cannot answer for you that there are 10 you cannot answer for me.

The simple fact is that that yes, in 2001 it was possible for 19 men to hijack 4 fuel laden planes and fly them into buildings causing them to collapse. The majority of scientists believe that. Engineers and physicists in peer reviewed scientific journals have shown it. Steven Jones, on the other hand, publishes his paper and the editor (who is a proffessor with a specialty in nano-materials no less) resigns when his paper his published without her knowledge because "The article has nothing to do with physical chemistry or chemical physics, and I could well believe that there is a political viewpoint behind its publication.".

So you are the one contending that the majority of scientists and engineers that say that the official story of 9/11 is legitimate are either wrong or they are part of the conspiracy. And that the papers published backing up the official story are all made up, and that the scientifick community as a whole is silent on the issue because... they are all part of the conspiracy? Sorry, I find that way too hard to believe.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Continuing this argument is bordering on pointless. The majority of the outspoken individuals on this board would support the belief that the worst Muslim is still better than the best Kaffir.

Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim. It doesn't matter what he did. There will always be a justification for a Muslim who behaves in such a way.

This is the essence of tribalism. It is in no way exclusive to muslims. It plagues all ingroups, be they religious, nationalistic, racial, or whatever. It should be pointed out and guarded against wherever possible if we are to have anything resembling egalitarian society.

In this particular case, note that it acts on both "sides" here. You will have some muslims defending other muslims simply because they are muslims, even to the point of cheering on terrorist acts and making heroes out of terrorists, but you will also have westerners broadbrushing muslims as a whole and feeling superior, and making heroes out of their own butchers.

ou see this in the news reporting where they reported how many Americans or other westerners died fighting this or that, but you didn't hear about the many Iraqi or Arghan (etc) civilians. And only rarely did you hear about the abuses by the westerners on those people. There was even a serious debate over if torture of people who have not been tried or convicted of anything is ok. Of course it isn't! That such a debate was taken seirously shows a level of tribalism only normally seen at soccer games.

The situation in the middle east is a ready made Us vs Them and it is constantly used to great effect by those who have or seek power and influence. It provides the bogeymen they need to control us with, from "Al Qaeda" to the "Great Satan". They use history, religion, etc to demonize and divide the two "sides" against each other, to use them as pawns towards their own ends.

Only be actually meeting individuals, working with them, getting to know them, living near them, etc, can we hope to stop this. Boards like this can help (when people are not engaging in the tribal hatreds noted above).

 

[Pygoscelis]

I gotta say, it's just like reading youtube comments.

lol! Apt comparison! I like you already.

Seriously, enough of this "You Moo Slims ayre all in with this whole OBL is the best"

Yes, seirously.

"Ooh look - he's dissing Islam - I'm gonna let him have it" - just like you get people from all faiths who have a zeal and want to protect the image of the faith they so love and abide by

But ironically by doing so they usually tarnish the image, by behaving the way the first guy accuses all of them doing (which of course hey don't). That then feeds into confirmation bias and there you have it, the cycle continues.

... zealots come from all religions, even aethism (yeah, I beleive its a religion too - since it requires faith to beleive in something that hasnt been proven, ie: Evolution)...

There are anti-religious zealots, like Hitchens can sometimes be, but I don't know aobut atheist zealots. It would depend on how you choose to define the term "atheist". There is nothing about my "atheism" that requires me to believe in evolution, or the big bang, or anything else.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I hope you and I can agree to not harbour any animosity towards eachother, and amicably move on insha-Allah. Amin.

As she wrote above, you'll have no issues with Lily, because you are muslim. Let us shoot for a more abitious goal. Let's you and I agree not to harbour any animosity towards each other, and amicably move on, regardless of whateither of us believe about the world :thumbs_up

 

[Zafran]

salaam

Bin Laden has had more reaction after his death then he ever was alive. This thread is a great example of it

peace

 

[جوري]

But ironically by doing so they usually tarnish the image, by behaving the way the first guy accuses all of them doing (which of course hey don't). That then feeds into confirmation bias and there you have it, the cycle continues.

For the sake of the porcelain God you worship do tell me what that means? Where exactly does the irony lie there? Whether you are handled with kid gloves, coaxed, emulated, given the wealth of impoverished nations on a platter ergo their despots or fought passionately as well should be the case by non-hypocrites who dare stand up for principles against all the wars, corruptions, hatred, mischief and over debauchery. The outcome is always exactly the same!


وَلَنْ تَرْضَىٰ عَنْكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلَا النَّصَارَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّهِ هُوَ الْهُدَىٰ ۗ وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ بَعْدَ الَّذِي جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ ۙ مَا لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِنْ وَلِيٍّ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{120}
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:120] And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting guardian nor helper.


I see no irony whatsoever and if you gave it some thought you might conclude the same!
It's indeed better to stand for what you believe and be hated for it, than b a hypocrite and still be hated for it, even if the face one is given echos otherwise, what hides in the hearts is indeed visible in the actions!

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[MustafaMc]

The simple fact is that that yes, in 2001 it was possible for 19 men to hijack 4 fuel laden planes and fly them into buildings causing them to collapse.

Perhaps you are right. I don't see how this event is consistent with what I know about Islam, nor have I ever met a Muslim who celebrated it. Maybe I have been looking for an alternative explanation because I do not support terrorism or unjustified killing of innocent people.

 

[Abu Zainab]

Perhaps you are right. I don't see how this event is consistent with what I know about Islam, nor have I ever met a Muslim who celebrated it. Maybe I have been looking for an alternative explanation because I do not support terrorism or unjustified killing of innocent people.

Exactly my point.....why would any Muslim celebrate such an event...and besides all of us knew beforehand what were to be the consequences. Two countries invaded and looted and their innocent people murdered. So who gained anything from all this except a few corrupt elite who do not care about any human life.

For all these years after 9-11 my heart has been burning inside thinking how all these naive people even believe the bizarre official story. The real culprits are well and fine and waiting to launch their next attack. I always asked myself how come Allaah did not punish or reveal the real culprits. The answer is clear: "They plan and Allaah plans and Allaah is the best of planners".

 

[MustafaMc]

I always asked myself how come Allaah did not punish or reveal the real culprits. The answer is clear: "They plan and Allaah plans and Allaah is the best of planners".

My dear respected brother in Islam, not a leaf (or a building) falls except that it is the will of Allah. There is no power except with Allah.