Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'

[Isambard]

Historical question:

Where and for how long has Sharia been assiduously applied (according to universal agreement among Muslim scholars)?

Duh, thats easy! Everyone knows whomever doesnt agree with the largest group's version of shariah are really apostates and should be put to death. See, a perfect system!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

The archbishop of canterbury knows the sharia is the best law appropriate for britain other wise he would have not said anything

Hitler had a thought too, look what happened...

Archie needs to trim those eyebrows of his though!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

the archbishop of canterbury knows the sharia is the best law appropriate for britain other wise he would have not said anything

You sem to have misinterpret him.
All he said was that mulims living in Britain ought to be allowed to solve certain issues in a muslim/shariah way.
the New York orthodox jewish community's got similar privileges.

I myself have mixed feelings on the issue..

 

[Cabdullahi]

You sem to have misinterpret him.
All he said was that mulims living in Britain ought to be allowed to solve certain issues in a muslim/shariah way.
the New York orthodox jewish community's got similar privileges.

I myself have mixed feelings on the issue..

"Dr Williams argues that adopting some aspects of Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion".

Thank you

 

[Whatsthepoint]

"Dr Williams argues that adopting some aspects of Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion".

Thank you

"For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court."

Thank you

 

[Cognescenti]

Perhaps as some form of compromise, female Muslim jurors could be allowed to wear a burkha so they could listen to Menudo during the testimony.

That kind of thing. Start with the harmless stuff.

Yes, I know Sharia doesn't really dictate a burkha.

 

[Cabdullahi]

"For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court."

Thank you

Yes thats right but it would also be beneficial to the non-muslims too why not eh the current system is failing anyway

"Dr Williams seems to be suggesting that there should be two systems of law, running alongside each other, almost parallel, and for people to be offered the choice of opting into one or the other"

they think itsunacceptable what do you think

Thank you

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Yes thats right but it would also be beneficial to the non-muslims too why not eh the current system is failing anyway

"Dr Williams seems to be suggesting that there should be two systems of law, running alongside each other, almost parallel, and for people to be offered the choice of opting into one or the other"

they think itsunacceptable what do you think

Thank you

I think it is acceptable, as long as it doesn't go against the British law. Minorities should be allowed to solve some of their legal problems in their way, however tehy should not be allowed to hurt apostates, marry more than one eprson or somwething similar.
The problem is, that once a certain group gets its own courts, more and more minorities will demand special treatment and once they receieve it, they will demand more and more privileges, which can eventually lead to anarchy...

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Pandoras box my children, Pandoras box!

 

[Cabdullahi]

I think it is acceptable, as long as it doesn't go against the British law. Minorities should be allowed to solve some of their legal problems in their way, however tehy should not be allowed to hurt apostates, marry more than one eprson or somwething similar.
The problem is, that once a certain group gets its own courts, more and more minorities will demand special treatment and once they receieve it, they will demand more and more privileges, which can eventually lead to anarchy...

Yeah Your spot on but i feel as though ur abit skeptical but skeptiscm runs in your blood afterall u are an agnostic :coolious:but thats ok because ur a considerate person getting respect from me shouldnt be an issue:thankyou:

 

[جوري]

there are countries that refer to or implement Sharia Law in some cases, aren't they? For example, the rape case about 6 or 7 months back.

Which countries are those?

Is the statement of a woman who has been raped to provide 4 male witnesses to prove her innocence, a wrong one?

I don't know anything about that case!
Do you know everything about Edwin Salusiano VS.philippine national bank?
Do you know if justice was carried out?
Do you think it fair in a secular law to let someone like Jesse Timmendequas to get away literally with pedophilia, rape and murder under secular law? http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/17/death.penalty/index.html
have you done a comparative study on secular law vs Shari3a law?
One thing I despise is hypocrisy and an innate need for self-righteous clangorous humbug!

cheers

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Yeah Your spot on but i feel as though ur abit skeptical but skeptiscm runs in your blood afterall u are an agnostic :coolious:but thats ok because ur a considerate person getting respect from me shouldnt be an issue:thankyou:

It's good to be skeptical sometimes.

 

[جوري]

BTW PA - Isn't the shariah based on the hadiths? then this isn't what was revealed by Angel Gabriel, it's the sayings and doings of Muhammed. It's not the word of God?

Do you just makeup crap as you go along? I have already told you, and given you quite an expansive list of books that cover shari3a law..
exactly what are you comparing here (bracelet, and a comb and a dagger) to state law? where do you draw the assimilation-- this isn't comparative religion.. Fact is out of your own country woman's admission, you have no laws to run a govt. in sikhism. This isn't about what you believe is true or untrue of Islam. A sound political state. economic system, social structure was established well before your gurus got the idea that to be religious is to wear a bracelet and carry a knife. I don't want to turn this into a my religion is better than yours for reasons personal to me. Try to formulate educated questions before spreading yourself too thin all over the place!

Also, how do you plan to implement it, when the Shia don't follow the Sunni version? You have internal disputes over it allready. EG: Nikah Mut'ah (for Shia) Nikah just for Sunnis. It's impossible.

90% of Muslims are sunni.. just like when you vote here in the good ole U.S, the vote of the majority rules.. sure there maybe a littlemore than 49% of the country unhappy with outcome of the election they are still governed by dubya, while the rest try to highlight his nonexisting accolades.. Stop being a hypocrite.. further more citing something like an illegal marriage for sexual solicitation as the crux of your argument.. aren't you ashamed?

What would you do in cases of apostasy?

See this can go on and on. It's best to leave things as they are, because nobody will benefit from shariah. Obey the laws of this country please.

Laws of apostacy are listed in this forum, http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/4738-islam-apostasy.html and not subject to your whim, what you think they ought to be or are! you want to know when and how they are carried out, pls use your search engine.. in this country you receive the death penalty for betraying the state.. ever heard of ethyl and Julius rosenberg? Understand how shari3a works before spewing crap or guessing at how it works! Many apostates were let free by prophet Mohammed SAW himself.. you may refrence link provided!


p.s
I haven't got all day to waste on this nonesense... pls. either ask educated questions or use the search engine properly understand some aspects of the law before speaking for or against it!


cheers

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Do you just makeup crap as you go along? I have already told you, and given you quite an expansive list of books that cover shari3a law..
exactly what are you comparing here (bracelet, and a comb and a dagger) to state law? where do you drive the assimilation?

What makes you think you can even introduce such a thing if it's not even in practice anywhere else!

90% of Muslims are sunni.. just like when you vote here in the good ole U.S, the vote of the majority rules.. sure there maybe a littlemore than 49% of the country unhappy with outcome of the election they are still governed by dubya, while the rest try to highlight his nonexisting accolades.. Stop being a hypocrite.. further more citing something like an illegal marriage for sexual solicitation as the crux of your argument.. aren't you ashamed?

Shia don't count then...

I haven't got all day to waste on this nonesense... either ask educated questions or use the search engine properly understand some aspects of the law before speaking for or against it!

Well who appointed you to answer questions you obviously can't!

 

[جوري]

I think it is acceptable, as long as it doesn't go against the British law. Minorities should be allowed to solve some of their legal problems in their way, however tehy should not be allowed to hurt apostates, marry more than one eprson or somwething similar.
The problem is, that once a certain group gets its own courts, more and more minorities will demand special treatment and once they receieve it, they will demand more and more privileges, which can eventually lead to anarchy...

You can't carry shari3a in a non-islamic state according to my understanding.. fact is, I believe people carry out shari3a if at all, when it comes to matters of marriage, the Muslim world in its entirety carries out secular laws, whether or not those laws make sense for them as individuals...

Fact of the matter is and already established, no other religion save for Judaism runs by what can be likened to a sharia system, I don't see what other people could possibly demand? .. I am not arguing for England to carry shari3a law, I don't think the two can co-exist except perhaps on minor matters if at all.. I don't think any secular state has sane laws, it is a matter of how just those carrying it behave! I don't know enough about the law in general make a judgement.....And don't see how anyone else on this board can? Perhaps Muezzein can since he is a lawyer from what I gather.. but I still don't know if he studied Islamic shari3a law in the process!

cheers

 

[minaz]

Within watching the first few seconds of this issue on the news, I thought of someone creating a thread on LI (this might be because i thought quickly or maybe because i am turning into an LI geek!) Anywho I thought there would be a good debate upon it, and there was- to begin with. If people (you know who you are!) want to debate, no argue as what we have seen on this thread about religion then make another thread, as its overiding this one and taking it off topic. (as much as i laugh at reading amusing but petty words!)

Back on topic, a good array of views have been put forward, thus i need not say more.

 

[Heera Singh]

wow, eve... why so much anger towards me? (thats what i'm pickin up... if i'm wrong then pardon me)

Which countries are those?

- pakistan
- afghanistan
- saudi arabia
- sudan
- iran

just to name a few...

I'm not saying these countries are RUN with sharia law, but they do use it/refer to it quite often...

Do you know everything about Edwin Salusiano VS.philippine national bank?
Do you know if justice was carried out?
Do you think it fair in a secular law to let someone like Jesse Timmendequas to get away literally with pedophilia, rape and murder under secular law? http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/17/death.penalty/index.html
have you done a comparative study on secular law vs Shari3a law?

No, i don't know about the case... and yes western law is also not perfect... never have i ever said that western law is perfect.. and no i haven't done a study

One thing I despise is hypocrisy and an innate need for self-righteous clangorous humbug!

hypocraisy? of what? ^o) i just asked a simple question... and gave my few comments.. u seem to be very angry at me for some reason..

exactly what are you comparing here (bracelet, and a comb and a dagger) to state law? where do you draw the assimilation-- this isn't comparative religion.. Fact is out of your own country woman's admission, you have no laws to run a govt. in sikhism. This isn't about what you believe is true or untrue of Islam. A sound political state. economic system, social structure was established well before your gurus got the idea that to be religious is to wear a bracelet and carry a knife. I don't want to turn this into a my religion is better than yours for reasons personal to me.

okay.. that was taken where it did not need to be taken.. you've jus disrespected our entire faith with that comment... please be more aware in the future... that wasn't appreciated..

and for ur information, carrying these articles of faith don't make a person religious, its following the tenats of these articles, and following the faith... so before u make comments about this, u shud take ur own advice and learn about these things before u speak...

Bless!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Welcome to LI Whatever you value will be denigrated...unless it is Islam, of course. :thankyou:

Well to be perfectly honest, PA and me have messaged each other on here talking about Sikhism. And we respect each other, but lately she's just being very pernicious for no apparent reason! Not sure if it's down to her being ill last week or not....

More popcorn...?

 

[جوري]

wow, eve... why so much anger towards me? (thats what i'm pickin up... if i'm wrong then pardon me)


- pakistan
- afghanistan
- saudi arabia
- sudan
- iran

just to name a few...

lol.. you are funny.. better do some research, monarchy and dictatorship doesn't run by a shura system nor governs under the laws of shri3a...

I'm not saying these countries are RUN with sharia law, but they do use it/refer to it quite often...

They don't!

No, i don't know about the case... and yes western law is also not perfect... never have i ever said that western law is perfect.. and no i haven't done a study

Then why gauge in a subject of which you have no knowledge?

hypocraisy? of what? ^o) i just asked a simple question... and gave my few comments.. u seem to be very angry at me for some reason..

Perhaps you should re-read your 'simple questions/accusations' therein might lie your answers!

okay.. that was taken where it did not need to be taken.. you've jus disrespected our entire faith with that comment... please be more aware in the future... that wasn't appreciated..

neither are your comments, in fact I tend to reply exactly as warrnted by the other party!

and for ur information, carrying these articles of faith don't make a person religious, its following the tenats of these articles, and following the faith... so before u make comments about this, u shud take ur own advice and learn about these things before u speak...

Bless!

What does carrying articles, 'being religious' have to do with laws and jurisprudence-- I am really at a loss of why you folks keep bringing basic tenets of your religion to hilight how you'd have to be accomadated or as subject of comparison or even ridicule.. it is like me saying after Hajj men have to shave their head and women have to cut a piece of their hair to mark the end of pilgrimage.. what does that have to do with the law? or the courts? It is a basic ritual of your religion.. please the lot of you try to stay on track so we are not digressing all over the place..

cheers

 

[جوري]

Welcome to LI Whatever you value will be denigrated...unless it is Islam, of course. :thankyou:

your views are 'denigrated' because you are a bucolic country oaf, who couldn't even read EKG's in his alleged area of his expertise yet sees it fit to judge, people, religions, actions, politicses, somehow a 'cognoscente' if you can actually learn to spell it correctly, on all the intricacies that lie therein

This is turning into a serious food fight. I nevr realized how much fun it is to sit back and watch. :statisfie

careful lest you end up in a state of obstipation!

cheers