Shiek Faiz To Be Charged With Hate Crime!

[SilentObserver]

It is twisted and sick, and a very unloving act for a mother to teach and hope that her child puts their life on the line for her beliefs. And that is not my opinion, that is an undisputable fact.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis
I am going to teach my son his obligation of Jihad as a muslim. And I hope that some day he will put his life on the line to defend his brothers and sisters in Islam. If every muslim stood up to do that, we'd wipe out the oppressers and not leave a sign that they ever walked this earth. Allahu Akbar!

Most people would consider this the sign of a terrible mother that does not love her child.

In wich country are gallant soldiers that fight to protect those who can't defend themselves seen as products of bad parenting?

this muslim sister who is a mother or a future mom is/will bring/ing up her son the Islamic way and that includes fighting injustice and defending the helpless that's not bad parenting and it's ridicilous to project your own POV as the general view on this issue, having your child fight injustice and then dying in battle only to receive the highest honor in Islam is what every muslim mother dreams off and prays for.

 

[SilentObserver]

In wich country are gallant soldiers that fight to protect those who can't defend themselves seen as products of bad parenting?

this muslim sister who is a mother or a future mom is/will bring/ing up her son the Islamic way and that includes fighting injustice and defending the helpless that's not bad parenting and it's ridicilous to project your own POV as the general view on this issue, having your child fight injustice and then dying in battle only to receive the highest honor in Islam is what every muslim mother dreams off and prays for.

Like I said, I agree with teaching them to be willing to fight injustice whenever they see it. But to hope that your child dies in battle so that you can be proud, is sick, selfish, demented, and not from God. This is only for the selfish pride of the parent. Not for the child.

Any person that wants this for their child should have their children taken away.
They don't deserve the blessing that a child is.

End of discussion for me. This is not one of "my opinion" topics. This is black and white. Wanting this for your child is 110% WRONG.

If I saw a mother teaching this to her child, I would report her to child services agency and take steps to have her child placed in a better home.

 

[sevgi]

Like I said, I agree with teaching them to be willing to fight injustice whenever they see it. But to hope that your child dies in battle so that you can be proud, is sick, selfish, demented, and not from God. This is only for the selfish pride of the parent. Not for the child.

Any person that wants this for their child should have their children taken away.
They don't deserve the blessing that a child is.

End of discussion for me. This is not one of "my opinion" topics. This is black and white. Wanting this for your child is 110% WRONG.

If I saw a mother teaching this to her child, I would report her to child services agency and take steps to have her child placed in a better home.

i agree...but u must remember that become a martyr(in the right cause) is a wonderful thing and mothers may feel that they would rather their child be martyred rather than live a rebelious life and end up out of Gods favour.

but the "fighting in battle" that we are speaking of here doesnt seem to be the pure way...so i agree with u wholly bro.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Like I said, I agree with teaching them to be willing to fight injustice whenever they see it. But to hope that your child dies in battle so that you can be proud, is sick, selfish, demented, and not from God. This is only for the selfish pride of the parent. Not for the child.

I agree pride should not be the reason and i think you prejudged Muslimah sis reply cause for a muslim mother to wish for her son to die in a just battle where he receives the highest honor in Islam is far from being selfish actually we could say it's more like a selfless wish since the mother-child bond is ''one of'' if not the strongest emotional links between humans and it's difficult to let go and not to forget every mother would rather have her children burry her instead of the other way around

 

[SilentObserver]

i agree...but u must remember that become a martyr(in the right cause) is a wonderful thing and mothers may feel that they would rather their child be martyred rather than live a rebelious life and end up out of Gods favour.

but the "fighting in battle" that we are speaking of here doesnt seem to be the pure way...so i agree with u wholly bro.

but u must remember that become a martyr(in the right cause) is a wonderful thing and mothers may feel that they would rather their child be martyred rather than live a rebelious life and end up out of Gods favour.

I agree with this part completely, it is preferable to eternal punishment. But it is different from hoping that one's child dies in battle just because that is what one wants for them.

 

[Malaikah]

Why is it so evil to hope that your child will receive one of the highest positions in paradise and a reward so great that the martyr would wish that he could be returned to his body so he could die for the sake of Allah again?:?

Yeh very selfish. Not.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Like I said, I agree with teaching them to be willing to fight injustice whenever they see it. But to hope that your child dies in battle so that you can be proud, is sick, selfish, demented, and not from God. This is only for the selfish pride of the parent. Not for the child.

Any person that wants this for their child should have their children taken away.
They don't deserve the blessing that a child is.

End of discussion for me. This is not one of "my opinion" topics. This is black and white. Wanting this for your child is 110% WRONG.

If I saw a mother teaching this to her child, I would report her to child services agency and take steps to have her child placed in a better home.

LOL - Why are you getting all worked up about it? its her child let her bring it up how she feels best.

It's good to encourage your child and YOURSELF to stand up for truth and righteousness. I've not seen the whole video (is there an online version or link which can be posted up please?)

I too, as a Sikh would do that. But I'd draw the line at calling others 'unbelievers' Although I know how you lot see the rest of humanity as 'Kafir' which means absolutely N O T H I N G to me! - I am a follow of God, and I do not need other people to tell me I don't believe. Total codswallop.

Like I say, i've not seen it, but even referring to another as a pig is not neccessary. Is this what Isalm encourages? I don't think it does, then why do a few of you condone such things? Perahps it's because you've alot to learn about Islam yourselves.

 

[Malaikah]

^No one justified the pig part. It was just a tactless joke. But to reject everything he said based on one joke is stupid.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

^No one justified the pig part. It was just a tactless joke. But to reject everything he said based on one joke is stupid.

Jokes? You get many pig jokes in th Quran then? Odd

 

[Malaikah]

No! The person in question made a joke likening Jews to pigs. Well that is all they showed anyway, if he said more they didn't make any mention of it.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^No one justified the pig part. It was just a tactless joke. But to reject everything he said based on one joke is stupid.

this is what i was thinking as well :?

if a man is giving advice with much proof then why reject it because he acted a bit badly.

Also just because of a few kaafirs attacking him many muslims seem to think its ok to slander a brother who testifies to laa ilaala illalaah, Astagfirullaah.

this brothers taught me quite a bit, before i realised his a bit... um... (takfeeri) i learnt quite a bit off him Alhamdulillaah, now i've moved onto Yasir Qadhi, lets hope he never makes pig noises or else maybe everyone would reject all the beautiful teachings his given :rollseyes

 

[Snowflake]

Most people would consider this the sign of a terrible mother that does not love her child.

That'd be non muslims only. Any loving muslim mother would teach her child the means to attain the pleasure of his Creator. And those means include defending his brothers and sisters for the sake of Allah.

Death is certain, sooner or later and I'd rather my son dies a brave death fighting for the rights of muslims than dying a coward because he was too scared to risk his life to defend his brothers and sisters.

You wouldn't call non muslim mothers whose sons join the army to defend their country. Are you saying that no mother feels proud of her soldier son? Neither would you say that about mothers who support their sons in other professions where they put their life on the line to save others i.e. firefighters/cops. Then why say that about muslim mothers who support and encourage their sons to do the same?

It is not like I want my son to die, but rather that he dies defending muslims because their defence is his duty. We know death is inevitable, hiding away from it isn't going to prevent it. As for a terrible mother, if I had to, I'd give my own life without a split seconds hesitation for the sake of my son's. So if anyone assumes that by teaching my son his duty to defend muslims makes me a terrible mother, then they can think that all they want.

A coward dies many times before his death. The valiant never taste of death but once - William Shakespeare

 

[Bittersteel]

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, my Salât (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allâh, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists). (Al-An'am 6:162)

This is a Muslim belief. Our life and death is for our Lord. Let me explain to you what Shaykh Feiz meant, by using an example. There was a Jihad in my country a few years ago. Muslims were being slaughtered and there was a genocide of the Muslims. Do you mean to tell me that my people should've done nothing? No. We as Muslims believe in Jihad. So we fight. We fight for the sake of Allah to make His Word supreme. And in war you might die. But we would love to die for the sake of Allah.

you are referring to self defence.I am all for that and if he meant jiahd is okay for self defence then I guess whatever he said was okay.However if he advocated the killing of innocent which is forbidden...

 

[Malaikah]

^Please show us where he said that?

 

[Isaac]

This is just pure non-sense and pathetic to see muslims brothers and sisters defaming a brother who im sure if far more knowedgable than all of us here. Now why are people defaming and abrogating his words on JIHAAD. Lets talk about this issue. The issue in reagrding the pig is something which i can say was a distasteful and if intented to be used to desrcribe all jews was disrespectful. No evil inteneded towrads the brother in mention.

Now moving on to his mention of jihaad and only in the conetxt we heard it, not what we persume can any MUSLIM say this was wrong and unIslamic. Can any Muslim say that instilling the love for jihaad amongst the youth of the ummah is evil and deviant?

Jihad in self defense is Fard-ayn. Wright or Wrong? The teaching of jihaad and its importance and virtues is just as important as any other aspect of Islaam. The Love of jihaad and desire of martydom is legitament and praisworthy.

Now looking further into his comments, when he mention jihaad, there is no evidence or inclination to say he asscoiated it with killing innocent people, killing Jews, Christians or any one else for the fact. Not once did he mention blowing up trains or attacking Australia or the UK. Now the onus is on the brothers and sisters who say otherwise that his comments on jihaad were incitment to muder innocent people, and perverted. The onus is on those people who have defamed the brother for his comments which are not sinful, unIlslamic, or haraam in anyway. The Onus is now on those people who say otheriwse to bring a transcript of hims saying such words or remain silent and repent to Allah for ascribing words whcih were not said, purely on the bassi of a biased programme and assumptions.

Remember only go on what you heard and saw. Not one what you think he was referring to.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

MTAFFI

you can manipulate the words this man said all you want, but I will order these videos and see exactly what is in them.

I didn't manipulate his words.

The article refers to racism and specifically Jews.

Where? Where is the quote? They only said that he said this about Jews and it was racism, they didn't quote him. I would like to see for myself what he said, not let this article tell me what to think.

Jews are not anti christ, and they definitely are not muslim.

What's your point?

Every time something like this comes up there is always an excuse, "Oh it is the media" or "oh that is not what he meant". Truth is I am getting so tired of the excuses, the mans needs to face the consequence of his actions.

But the fact that you thought he was inciting Muslims to convert or kill non-Muslims shows you that this article misrepresented his views. Because he didn't say that!

Jihad is just an excuse that some muslims use for their violence today. No one is trying to opress the Muslims and no one is taking their faith from them, with an exception to Palestine and Chechnya, and that is only about some land!!

First of all, the Shaykh was talking about Jihad. Not terrorism or any specific country, as far as I'm aware of.

So what is the Jihad being used for, you tell me?

Jihad is an Islamic concept. When it refers to fighting (it doesn't always refer to that), it is about making the Word of God supreme. This means for instance that when a Muslim country is attacked, you defend it. Also, you carry out military action against hostile countries that don't want peace with the Muslims (like if a country is planning to attack the Muslim state, you do a pre-emptive strike). This is to be carried out by the Muslim head of state.

If Christians published a set of CD's entitled "Death Series" what would your reaction be?

You don't even know what the title "Death Series" refers to. It isn't about killing. It's about death, the grave and the after life. So it's basically about what happens when someone dies. He's lecturing about the angels coming to take the soul of the dead person, the trials of the grave and the Day of Judgement. This particular lesson was probably about the signs of the Day of Judgement since he was talking about the anti-Christ.

I do not believe that this man was speaking specifically of the anti christ. I believe he was speaking of Americans, and westerners that do not share his views.

I know for a fact that he was talking about the anti-Christ because I know the hadith in question. The anti-Christ will have the letters "ka-fa-ra" on his forehead and the Shaykh was talking about this. He wasn't talking about Americans or Westerners. But the media didn't mention this and made you believe that he was talking about Westerners. This shows you that blaming the media isn't an excuse, it's a fact that they deceive people in this way.

Everything I ever read is so open ended, and to me that says someone doesnt want to be specific because of the reaction it may incite. The Muslim community needs to condemn these types of things to show that is not acceptable behavior. If you truly want peace then please stop talking about war.

Muslims are condeming racism and terrorism. The Shaykh wasn't talking about any of these two things. So I'm not going to condemn him.

When I get these tapes and if I see what I think I might see on them, it could very well change my view on Muslims as a whole. I say this because who really knows what anyone is thinking, and I am not going to consider anyone a brother who is taught that suicide bombings are ok or acceptable in any situation (and I am not saying yet that these videos condone it, I am making an assumtion and will know if that is correct when I view the information). Eventually, if this type of behavior that I am speaking of will lead to the demise of Islam as a whole, because eventually no one will feel that this type of behavior is acceptable in the world we live in today.

You see why these types of articles are dangerous. You start thinking that Muslims are animals out for blood or something. They make it same as if this is what the Shaykh said, when he didn't.

 

[MTAFFI]

Abu Zakariya

I must apologize to you and anyone else who read my previous message. I spoke before I have seen these videos, when I should not have. This particular issue raises and unacceptable rage inside of me, and brings out a hatred that I honestly dont think I have ever felt. I have ordered some of these videos and I will watch them, and then I will make another thread for it, once I know what was said, good or bad.

I do not dislike Muslims, or any other type of people for that matter, however I will say when I read this particular article and then read others agreeing with it, and saying things like "a big thumbs up" to teaching children that it is OK to die, it just really bothered me. I have a little girl, and I would never tell her it is OK to die for anything. I will tell her to strive to live and let live, I guess that is where I differ from many Muslim people.

Again I am very sorry for the earlier post:-[

 

[Bittersteel]

Please show us where he said that?

obviously some people think he meant that.They thought he said Muslim children should strap bombs to their bodies and kill every Non-Muslim they see in front of them.

I will say when I read this particular article and then read others agreeing with it, and saying things like "a big thumbs up" to teaching children that it is OK to die,

you are the not the only one bothered.I am too.
I guess he couldn't nice explain what he wanted to explain.I think he tried to mean its good for Muslims to die defending their country.Exactly how they defend is another issue.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

obviously some people think he meant that.They thought he said Muslim children should strap bombs to their bodies and kill every Non-Muslim they see in front of them.

Then they have to do something about their ignorance. Because he didn't say that. He was talking about Jihad which has been something that's been a part of this Ummah for 1400 years.