Should I make up my fasts?

[azc]

oh i see

i've already posted up the evidences bro; see post #33

I've talked to two scholars but they're not sure what's the correct ruling for a revert in this case.

They've advised me to contact a senior mufti.

If I get any reply In sha Allah I'll post.

 

[AbdurRahman.]

I've talked to two scholars but they're not sure what's the correct ruling for a revert in this case.

They've advised me to contact a senior mufti.

most Scholars are not mufti so they dont know; the online fatwa sites [reliable ahlus sunnah one's] are by mufti's or under supervision of Mufti's so we already have the answer bro!

There is scholarly consensus that fasting begins when Fajr time enters. What is meant by the ‘white thread’ is the break of dawn, as authentically established from the sunna of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).
And Allah alone gives success.
Faraz Rabbani

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/qibla-hanafi/42572

there you go bro, no other scholars can differ and go against consensus

 

[azc]

most Schola[/FONT][/COLOR]rs are not mufti so they dont know; the online fatwa sites [reliable ahlus sunnah one's] are by mufti's or under supervision of Mufti's so we already have the answer bro!
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There is scholarly consensus that fasting begins when Fajr time enters. What is meant by the ‘white thread’ is the break of dawn, as authentically established from the sunna of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).
And Allah alone gives success.
Faraz Rabbani

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/qibla-hanafi/42572

there you go bro, no other scholars can differ and go against consensus

One of them is an alim from Darul uloom deoband, a highly knowledgeable person and another is a mufti from mazahirul uloom saharanpur.

I've also tried to see on line fatwa concerning this case of a revert who is still in learning condition.
Whereas the fatwas mentioned in different links highlight the mistake of a person who is already aware of the ruling. This is the crux of the matter.

 

[AbdurRahman.]

One of them is an alim from Darul uloom deoband, a highly knowledgeable person and another is a mufti from mazahirul uloom saharanpur.

I've also tried to see on line fatwa concerning this case of a revert who is still in learning condition.
Whereas the fatwas mentioned in different links highlight the mistake of a person who is already aware of the ruling. This is the crux of the matter.

i'm afraid our indian subcontinent scholars are not that 'brainy' really [with exception of few scholars, one of them being mufti taqi usmani] other than knowing answers to this and that, but when it comes to working things out with intellect, they fall behind than the western counterparts; not being racist here, i'm from indian subcontinent too and i've observed this over many years

its really just a matter of conecting simple dots really

 

[azc]

i'm afraid our indian subcontinent scholars are not that 'brainy' really [with exception of few scholars, one of them being mufti taqi usmani] other than knowing answers to this and that, but when it comes to working things out with intellect, they fall behind than the western counterparts; not being racist here, i'm from indian subcontinent too and i've observed this over many years

its really just a matter of conecting simple dots really

And I find them more knowledgeable and more pious than western scholars. Exception isn't denied.

 

[azc]

most Schola[/FONT][/COLOR]rs are not mufti so they dont know; the online fatwa sites [reliable ahlus sunnah one's] are by mufti's or under supervision of Mufti's so we already have the answer bro!
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There is scholarly consensus that fasting begins when Fajr time enters. What is meant by the ‘white thread’ is the break of dawn, as authentically established from the sunna of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).
And Allah alone gives success.
Faraz Rabbani

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/qibla-hanafi/42572

there you go bro, no other scholars can differ and go against consensus

https://islamqa.info/en/38543

 

[AbdurRahman.]

And I find them more knowledgeable and more pious than western scholars. Exception isn't denied.

well they've miserable failed on this basic answer; look up western scholar Hanafi fatwa sites; the answer is there and they gotta refer you to a mufti e azam?
even i as a laymen knew the answer from simple dot to dots! :Emoji48:

 

[AbdurRahman.]

https://islamqa.info/en/38543

i thought you are a madhabi bro?:Emoji47:, and now your'e resorting to a salafi site? salafi's infact differ on what there is a consensus on or not with the mainstream; make up your mind on what you are bro!

 

[azc]

well they've miserable failed on this basic answer; look up western scholar Hanafi fatwa sites; the answer is there and they gotta refer you to a mufti e azam?
even i as a laymen knew the answer from simple dot to dots! :Emoji48:

I disagree with you.

Show me the ruling in this issue specifically for this revert.

Do you understand what I'm asking or will you regurgitate the same stuff...???


The fatwas mentioned in that hanafi site has nothing to do with this case.

 

[azc]

i thought you are a madhabi bro?:Emoji47:, and now your'e resorting to a salafi site? salafi's infact differ on what there is a consensus on or not with the mainstream; make up your mind on what you are bro!

I often quote islamqa.... is it wrong?

 

[azc]

Imaam Maalik Ibn Anas (d.179H) – rahimahullaah – said:


“The shield of the scholar is saying, ‘I do not know.’ So if he forgets it, then his enemies strike him!” [Hilyatul-Awliyaa 6/323]


Al-Haytham Ibn Jameel said:


“I heard Maalik being asked about forty-eight questions, he replied to thirty-two of them saying, ‘I do not know.’”


’Abdur-Rahmaan Ibn Mahdee (d.198H) – rahimahullaah – said:


“We were with Maalik Ibn Anas when a man came saying, ‘O Abaa ’Abdullaah, I have traveled a distance of six months. The people of my land sent me to ask you about a matter.’ So he said, ‘Ask!’ So the man asked him some things, so he replied, ‘I do not know.’ – and the man thought he had come to someone who knew everything, so he said, ‘What shall I tell the people of my land when I return to them?’ He said, ‘Say to them, Maalik Ibn Anas does not know.’”


Several of the Salaf, including Abu Al-Dardaa’ :anhu:, were quoted to have said: It is half of knowledge to say “I do not know”. (Siyar A’lam Al-Nubalaa’ by Imam Thahabi 8/77)


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[AbdurRahman.]

I disagree with you.

Show me the ruling in this issue specifically for this revert.

Do you understand what I'm asking or will you regurgitate the same stuff...???


The fatwas mentioned in that hanafi site has nothing to do with this case.

there is no different law for revert brother; we all follow the same Islam; the only exception for a revert is he is allowed to take it a bit more easier than us, i.e, take baby steps until he gets to the proper full practice

if you compare this to salah, missing an integral of salah [obligation] nullifies the sala[FONT=&quot]t[/FONT] so if a person mistakenly misses out on [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]fard[/FONT][FONT=&quot] parts[/FONT] of salaah for years, after he realises it he has to redo them, but if he mistakenly misses out on the lesser wajib, than due to the hardship he doesn't have to redo them again and hope they will be accepted

sticking to the times of fasting is an obligation too

i have read a salafi online article that says such a person will not have to make up those fasts; they base this view on hadiths which suggest certain sahaba? [ra] didn't have to redo in similar circumstances, but this could be flawed as individual mujtahids are allowed to follow their own ijtihad but laymen have to follow a valid fiqh and we've seen there is consensus on the start time of fasting, so OP has mistakenly eaten after the start time!

now let me clarify one thing; them indian scholars are far far more knowledgeable then ignoramuses like me bro but i just happen to know some things about this which makes it a simple answer!

 

[AbdurRahman.]

Imaam Maalik Ibn Anas (d.179H) – rahimahullaah – said:


“The shield of the scholar is saying, ‘I do not know.’ So if he forgets it, then his enemies strike him!” [Hilyatul-Awliyaa 6/323]


Al-Haytham Ibn Jameel said:


“I heard Maalik being asked about forty-eight questions, he replied to thirty-two of them saying, ‘I do not know.’”


’Abdur-Rahmaan Ibn Mahdee (d.198H) – rahimahullaah – said:


“We were with Maalik Ibn Anas when a man came saying, ‘O Abaa ’Abdullaah, I have traveled a distance of six months. The people of my land sent me to ask you about a matter.’ So he said, ‘Ask!’ So the man asked him some things, so he replied, ‘I do not know.’ – and the man thought he had come to someone who knew everything, so he said, ‘What shall I tell the people of my land when I return to them?’ He said, ‘Say to them, Maalik Ibn Anas does not know.’”


Several of the Salaf, including Abu Al-Dardaa’ :anhu:, were quoted to have said: It is half of knowledge to say “I do not know”. (Siyar A’lam Al-Nubalaa’ by Imam Thahabi 8/77)


@AbdullahAziz

what!, i was going to post you those comments bro; i show you fatwas but still your not willing to accept that you we're wrong and didn't know! :slap:

that is it, them fatwas clarify it for us for there is no different law for reverts! :Emoji47:

 

[azc]

what!, i was going to post you those comments bro; i show you fatwas but still your not willing to accept that you we're wrong and didn't know! :slap:

that is it, them fatwas clarify it for us for there is no different law for reverts! :Emoji47:

It's from those scholars who dont give fatwa on every issue.

 

[azc]

there is no different law for revert brother; we all follow the same Islam; the only exception for a revert is he is allowed to take it a bit more easier than us, i.e, take baby steps until he gets to the proper full practice

if you compare this to salah, missing an integral of salah [obligation] nullifies the sala[FONT=&quot]t[/FONT] so if a person mistakenly misses out on [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]fard[/FONT][FONT=&quot] parts[/FONT] of salaah for years, after he realises it he has to redo them, but if he mistakenly misses out on the lesser wajib, than due to the hardship he doesn't have to redo them again and hope they will be accepted

sticking to the times of fasting is an obligation too

i have read a salafi online article that says such a person will not have to make up those fasts; they base this view on hadiths which suggest certain sahaba? [ra] didn't have to redo in similar circumstances, but this could be flawed as individual mujtahids are allowed to follow their own ijtihad but laymen have to follow a valid fiqh and we've seen there is consensus on the start time of fasting, so OP has mistakenly eaten after the start time!

now let me clarify one thing; them indian scholars are far far more knowledgeable then ignoramuses like me bro but i just happen to know some things about this which makes it a simple answer!

Read my post again and then reply.

I simplify it

What are the conditions which make a person to make up the fast..?

 

[AbdurRahman.]

Read my post again and then reply.

I simplify it

What are the conditions which make a person to make up the fast..?

i give up bro :Emoji46:, but not to worry i'm sure for the OP it is simple matter too once he reads the fatwas; you do have a very difficult time understanding simple issues

 

[azc]

i give up bro :Emoji46:, but not to worry i'm sure for the OP it is simple matter too once he reads the fatwas; you do have a very difficult time understanding simple issues

It's o.k. bro

What you are discussing is a disputed issue.
See it...

It was proven in al-Saheeh that one day at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) they broke the fast and then the sun appeared, but it does not say in the hadeeth that they were ordered to make up that fast. But Hishaam ibn ‘Urwah said: It must be made up, but his father was more knowledgeable than him and he said, They do not have to make it up. And it was proven in al-Saheehayn that a group of Sahaabah used to eat until one of them could distinguish the white thread from the black. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to one of them, “Your pillow is wide [if the white thread (of dawn) and the black thread (of the night) are underneath your pillow], rather that is the whiteness of the day and the blackness of the night.” But it is not narrated that he told them to make up their fasts; they were ignorant of the ruling so they were making a mistake. And it is proven that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab broke his fast then it became clear that it was still day, but he said, “We will not make it up because we did not deliberately commit sin.” And it was narrated that ‘Umar said: “We will make it up,” but the isnaad of the first report is stronger. And it was narrated from him that he said, “It is not a serious matter.” So some of the scholars understood this as meaning that it is not essential to make it up, but the wording does not indicate that.

In conclusion, this view is stronger in terms of reports and reasoning, and is more strongly supported by evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah and analogy (qiyaas).

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 20/572, 573

See also al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 6/411.

Hence we can see how strong is the evidence for the view that his fast is valid and he does not have to make it up.

However, if the Muslim does that which is on the safe side and fasts a day in its stead, that will be better.

And Allaah knows best.

https://islamqa.info/en/38543