Should the Taliban....???

[Skillganon]

How many muslims do you think would worship a statue? My estimation is zero. Muslims don't worship buddist statues, it's not even a concern. I don't think shirk was a problem. Especially with the Taliban as leaders, nobody would be that stupid. The truth is, the taliban was simply being intolerant of the existance of the statues of a different religion.

In Islam their is no room for statue's and monuments of those kind. These things leads to shirk, and many people fall into it by things of allurement.

I really do not care about the statue's (something that is done and dusted).

Anyway Abraham and muhammad (pbut) destroyed statues. Will you call them intolerant aswell?

 

[SilentObserver]

In Islam their is no room for statue's and monuments of those kind. These things leads to shirk, and many people fall into it by things of allurement.

I really do not care about the statue's (something that is done and dusted).

Anyway Abraham and muhammad (pbut) destroyed statues. Will you call them intolerant aswell?

Statues that were actively being worshipped. That is a different situation.

In Islam their is no room for statue's and monuments of those kind.

Islam claims to be tolerant. The prophet would not have expected the statues to be destroyed just to be intolerant. The actions of the taliban were intolerant, therefore, unislamic.

 

[Skillganon]

Statues that were actively being worshipped. That is a different situation.

1. Worship mean's quite different in Islam. You can worship something without calling it a God.

Secondly if they are not being worshipped than one should not cry about destroying a statue where people thought it will lead to shirk.
It was only a bad move by them.

 

[SilentObserver]

It was only a bad move by them.

Isn't that what is being said? A bad move because it is intolerant. Because it is unislamic.

 

[FBI]

The prophet would not have expected the statues to be destroyed just to be intolerant. The actions of the taliban were intolerant, therefore, unislamic.

Now why do I get the feeling u just made that up?

 

[SilentObserver]

Now why do I get the feeling u just made that up?

Made what up?

 

[Trumble]

Islam teaches muslims to respect other religions, does it not?

I think that may well be limited to monotheistic ones rather than those that 'deny God', although as can be seen from these forums clearly different muslims have different attitudes. Certainly this sort of contempt for both the religion, and indeed the simple importance of the statues in historical and indeed aethetic terms seems unique to the Taliban.

Respect and leniency goes so far.

Obviously, in this case, nowhere near enough.

Again, I'm amazed that people seem to have so little faith in Islam they think the continued existence of such things lead to 'shirk' and 'allurement'. Is Islam really so feeble in Afghanistan this is a genuine excuse for such vandalism?

 

[FBI]

Made what up?

what I qouted u one, provide a refrence please.

 

[Skillganon]

Taalibaan indeed indulges in soofiyah and numerous other innovations, I think this is a wonderful post on another forum made about Taalibaan and many other groups some love today:

I read a fatwa somewhere by Shaykh Saalih Al-Uthaymeen condemning them as well.

Thank's for your post bro, I do think that their maybe problem in general amongst the talibans concerning Islam. However I do not think as the article points out to take the crusaders as Lords and Protectors and start killing them (for the strategic purpose) is the advice Islam give's. It would of been somewhat better to help the Taliban towards Islam, help them enjoin good and forbid them from wrong, dialogue and more involvement from the one's on the salaf.
Obviousely I do not expect anywhere for any countries to bring about correct and perfect islamic legislation in a day without making mistake or starting in the wrong methodology. One has to start from somewhere and be more progressive in bringing about it. As far as I am concerned some of the west backed goverment in afghanistan has bartered gone in the other direction.

Ask them have they any interest in applying Islamic Law on the land, and stop serving their allies interest.

 

[SilentObserver]

I think that may well be limited to monotheistic ones rather than those that 'deny God', although as can be seen from these forums clearly different muslims have different attitudes. Certainly this sort of contempt for both the religion, and indeed the simple importance of the statues in historical and indeed aethetic terms seems unique to the Taliban.

While I agree with the first part of your post, I disagree with the part in bold. I think that the contempt that you mention is more common than that, and is evident right here.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

what I qouted u one, provide a refrence please.

That was his opinion

 

[SilentObserver]

The prophet would not have expected the statues to be destroyed just to be intolerant. The actions of the taliban were intolerant, therefore, unislamic.

what I qouted u one, provide a refrence please.

You want a link to what the prophet would have thought about the buddist statues in Afghanistan? Or that the prophet taught tolerance and peaceful existance with other religions? There are no links to the first one, but there are plenty of threads about peaceful existence right here on this forum by brother Ansar.
Or do you want a link to the fact that the taliban were intolerant? That is common knowledge, and a general opinion. No link required.
If you want a link that intolerance is unislamic, I direct you to again to brother Ansar's threads in 'Basics of Islam' section.

 

[Al_Imaan]

If muslims are following shirk than by Islam it is permissable to destroy this objects of shirk, Idols e.t.c. Respect and leniency goes so far.

Isn't it stated in the Quran in surah Kafirun,
"For you is your religion and for me is my religion."(Surah Kafirun, Ayah 6)
so why interfere in something that doesn't concern you?
ok..ok...let's put the cutting the hands issue aside...is it right in islam to kill a mother in front of her children?..Allah has sworn by the pen in surah Iqra...which shows that knowledge is extremely important in Islam, Was it right for the Taliban to close schools and other ways of learning on the poor afghan people?...is this what you call the Islamic shariah?....I don't think so...Whatever the Taliban did to the afghans, it was all wrong. First, they would hang the afghan men for whatever reason it was, I won't question why. But then they would tie their dead bodies to the back of cars, is that humane?...I don't know from what prospective some of the brothers and sisters here are talking from....

originally: by chacha_jalebi
well if we look @ the present status of afghanistan, then i would say its better to have the taliban in power, mullah omars views were far different from the ones the taliban imposed, he promoted segragated schools for girls and boys, and he said no one should be outside with a non mahram, but sum followers of the taliban, jus didnt let women leave the house, and i think this was a propa misinterpretation of what mullah omar really wanted!

mullah omar was the leader, right? if he wanted all this that you have said, couldn't he accomplish it? u should watch the afghan channel on satellite...the pakistani singers come on the screen with inappropriate scenes, they make music videos and have them broadcasted through the afghan channel....and while this was taking place, the taliban were concerned about bringing the shariah in Afghanistan....couldn't they have taken care of Pakistan, their own homeland, first?...it's like preaching Islam to others and not acting upon it yourself....so what else do you have to say?

 

[Woodrow]

I answered "I don't know". I do not live in Afghanistan and I have never lived under the Taliban. I would not say one way or the other without personal experience.

 

[Skillganon]

Isn't it stated in the Quran in surah Kafirun,
"For you is your religion and for me is my religion."(Surah Kafirun, Ayah 6)
so why interfere in something that doesn't concern you?
ok..ok...let's put the cutting the hands issue aside...is it right in islam to kill a mother in front of her children?..Allah has sworn by the pen in surah Iqra...which shows that knowledge is extremely important in Islam, Was it right for the Taliban to close schools and other ways of learning on the poor afghan people?...is this what you call the Islamic shariah?....I don't think so...Whatever the Taliban did to the afghans, it was all wrong. First, they would hang the afghan men for whatever reason it was, I won't question why. But then they would tie their dead bodies to the back of cars, is that humane?...I don't know from what prospective some of the brothers and sisters here are talking from....

Sis, I did mention their was some problem with the afghan, but don't believe everything you hear and see.
Read my previouse posts.
Do you dine with your enemies and serve their interest? That's what they inivetably did?
They did not go to afghan for the interest of Islam. Is killing the believers (even though the where some errors) and taking the open enemy as Lords and protectors Islam?
Taliban did not have full control everywhere or tabs on exactly who did what?

Let's see if the aghanistani goverment will implement Islam or have any desire towards meeting that end, than we see how truthfull they are to their claim.

EDIT:

Let's put the chocie like this.
Are the American the right choice for afghanistan?

 

[Warthog]

The taliban were brutal bullies, terrorizing people into doing exactly as the wished. They oppressed the population, and prevented females from getting an education. They should be made to rule themselves in a prison block.

 

[SATalha]

Sis, I did mention their was some problem with the afghan, but don't believe everything you hear and see.

Thats what I am trying to tell people. The Taliban might be alot of things, but somethings are just blown out of porportion. The Taliban did not get things right the first time round. If they did things like deny women education than that is wrong. Wake up to the reality!

 

[Al_Imaan]

Sis, I did mention their was some problem with the afghan, but don't believe everything you hear and see.
Read my previouse posts.
Do you dine with your enemies and serve their interest? That's what they inivetably did?
They did not go to afghan for the interest of Islam. Is killing the believers (even though the where some errors) and taking the open enemy as Lords and protectors Islam?
Taliban did not have full control everywhere or tabs on exactly who did what?

Let's see if the aghanistani goverment will implement Islam or have any desire towards meeting that end, than we see how truthfull they are to their claim.

EDIT:

Let's put the chocie like this.
Are the American the right choice for afghanistan?

brother, you need to make out your points clearly. I started this thread cuz of all the things that my family has experienced. I didn't make out all this from the back of my head. I'm not saying that the Americans are the right choice for Afghanistan. I don't think neither Taliban nor America are right for Afghanistan. They should leave the poor country alone to itself. The Taliban were there to capture the land, but they fooled people by saying that Afghans weren't following the shariah and that they were intending to straighten things out. It is none of their business. LEAVE THE COUNTRY ALONE. Is that so hard? And once again, I'm very happy that Afghanistan is free from the Taliban's torture. I just hope that there will be a day where America can leave them alone to.

And one more thing bro, have u seen or witnessed anything?, cuz if you did then it will let us know that your talking from experience. If you have not then why bother arguing about it.

Originally Posted by Skillganon
Sis, I did mention their was some problem with the afghan, but don't believe everything you hear and see.

For your info, I don't believe everything I hear or see. Your backing up the same people who are working against in Islam. You should have opened your eyes back then when the Taliban were in control.

 

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You never really know what they are like unless like brother woodrow said you live under their rule. As for what the meda portrays do you really believe it :mmokay:

 

[Al_Imaan]

I don't think anyone here understands that I am talking from the experience that my family has been through. They have seen and witnessed everything. Is that so hard to understand?