Should the Taliban....???

[SilentObserver]

Ya Muslims , These kafirs who bring these Allegations have no basis and have no true knowledge of who the Taliban are. Do not debate over senseless topics because whether or not you present the truth they will not believe you. They dont believe the Quran so how can they believe the Sharia?

What do you say about what the women of RAWA have to say.

On August 24, 1998, a young man named Firouz Ahmad from Barahan in Heart was going home after doing some shopping for his wedding. A few Talibs with long hair and mustache stopped him and pulled him over. One was touching his face, saying, "You're beard is short," and the other saying, "Look at his hair," while all were laughing. Then they grabbed his hair and wanted to cut it with scissors. The young man was shouting, "For God's sake, don't cut my hair; tonight is my wedding night." But the Talibs laughed loudly and said, "Your lady won't accept you if you don't have hair?" The young man started begging them to let him go; finally, he said, "I'll buy my hair from you." "How much?" said one of the Talibs. "A hundred thousand Afghanis," said the young man. The Talibs said, "It's not enough." "How much then?" the young man asked. "Half a million Afghanis," the Talibs replied. The young man swore that he had only three hundred thousand Afghanis to do the rest of his wedding shopping. Finally, he had to pay that amount to rid himself of the Talibs.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

What do you say about what the women of RAWA have to say.

Lol, Whoever you are, you obviously have never been to Pakistan or Afghanistan. You obviously do not know the people and how they're trickery is with robbery. There are thousands of people who claim to be talibs and go around robbing people, otherwise if they did not pretend to be like talibs how far would they get in Afghanistan?

And like i said even if the allegation was against a talib, why do you blame the whole of taliban?

 

[SilentObserver]

Lol, Whoever you are, you obviously have never been to Pakistan or Afghanistan. You obviously do not know the people and how they're trickery is with robbery. There are thousands of people who claim to be talibs and go around robbing people, otherwise if they did not pretend to be like talibs how far would they get in Afghanistan?

And like i said even if the allegation was against a talib, why do you blame the whole of taliban?

And like i said even if the allegation was against a talib, why do you blame the whole of taliban?

This is commonly what is done here when one US soldier commits a crime, all westerners are to blame.


I blame the taliban for the following;

It was nine in the morning when the appalling voice of the Taliban's religious police started announcing in loudspeakers that, "All citizens are invited to witness the execution of two thieves at 2 PM in the Heart stadium." I set out for the stadium with a few friends in the afternoon. When we entered, we decided to sit in the shade, but a Talib came to us running and started hitting us with his stick and said, "Sit down there, why don’t you understand me?" The Taliban were treating everyone like animals and pushing people from one side to another, like a herd of sheep. At the middle of the field, there was crane to hang the suspects. One Mullah (religious scholar), who couldn't speak Persian well, started speaking and said, "Fellow citizens, it is a pleasure to see that the religious rules are being implemented in our country. Today, the Taliban's high court is punishing two criminals who wanted to fight the Taliban. They are bandits, etc." After him, another Mullah, who is the chief of the criminal division, started explaining the crimes of these two people. Then two cars entered the stadium. We saw a body being thrown out of one of the cars. They fastened the rope around his neck and lifted him with the crane. It was obvious that he had been beaten to death on the way and they wanted to hang his body just for the show. The body did not move at all; his legs and hands were stiff like a stick; and half of his body was covered by dried-up blood.

Then, they brought the second suspect. They threw him out of the truck and started kicking him and beating him with their guns and batons. They put the rope around his neck and lifted him with the crane and kept him suspended in the air until he died. Then a Mullah spoke up and broke the silence; but he had barely spoken for a minute when everyone stood up and started to exit the stadium. The Talibs were furious and asked the people to wait and listen to the Mullah; and they didn't let people leave using their guns and batons, but people refused to sit down. By the time they took the bodies out of the stadium, everybody had already left.

It was obvious that he had been beaten to death on the way and they wanted to hang his body just for the show

Is this true sharia? What benefit is there to beating him to death if you are going to hang him anyway? The only benefit was to sadisfy the sadistic urges of those that beat him.

 

[arabiyyah]

A War on Schoolgirls

Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are fighting to prevent half the country's children from getting an education.


Zalmai for Newsweek
Up in Flames: Taliban torched this school to stop girls from learning

By Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai
Newsweek


June 26, 2006 issue - Summer vacation has only begun, but as far as 12-year-old Nooria is concerned, the best thing is knowing she has a school to go back to in the fall. She couldn't be sure the place would stay open four months ago, after the Taliban tried to burn it down. Late one February night, more than a dozen masked gunmen burst into the 10-room girls' school in Nooria's village, Mandrawar, about 100 miles east of Kabul. They tied up and beat the night watchman, soaked the principal's office and the library with gasoline, set it on fire and escaped into the darkness. The townspeople, who doused the blaze before it could spread, later found written messages from the gunmen promising to cut off the nose and ears of any teacher or student who dared to return.

The threats didn't work. Within days, most of the school's 650 pupils were back to their studies. Classes were held under a grove of trees in the courtyard for several weeks, despite the winter chill, until repairs inside the one-story structure were complete. Nearby schools replaced at least some of the library's books. But the hate mail kept coming, with threats to shave the teachers' heads as well as mutilate their faces. Earlier this month, NEWSWEEK visited and talked to students and faculty on the last day of classes. Nooria, who dreams of becoming a teacher herself, expressed her determination to finish school. "I'm not afraid of getting my nose and ears cut off," she said, all dressed up in a long purple dress and headscarf. "I want to keep studying."

Schoolgirls need that kind of courage in Afghanistan. Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are trying to discredit the Kabul government by blocking its efforts to raise Afghanistan out of its long dark age. They particularly want to undo one of the biggest changes of the past four years: the resumption of education for girls, which the Taliban outlawed soon after taking power in 1996. "The extremists want to show the people that the government and the international community cannot keep their promises," says Ahmad Nader Nadery of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC). Today the Ministry of Education says the country has 1,350 girls' schools, along with 2,900 other institutions that hold split sessions, with girls-only classes in the afternoon. (Coeducation is still forbidden.) More than a third of Afghanistan's 5 million schoolchildren are now girls, compared with practically none in early 1992. In the last six months, however, Taliban attacks and threats of attacks have disrupted or shut down more than 300 of those schools.

Most of the closures have been in the far south, where the Taliban are strongest, but schools are also getting hit in areas that used to be relatively safe, like the fertile river valleys of Laghman province. The rock-walled compound where Nooria attends classes is one of six schools for girls in the province that have been torched so far this year. The damage at two of them was so bad that they remain closed. In nearby Logar province, arsonists have struck 10 sister schools—all within 50 miles of Kabul. "People are extremely frightened," says Palwasha Shaheed Kakar, the AIHRC representative in neighboring Nangarhar province, where at least eight other schools have burned. "These extremists need to attack only one or two schools to send a strong message."

The girls' school in Haider Khani village, just up the main road from Mandrawar, has suffered a sharp drop in attendance since January, when masked gunmen forced their way in and torched the place. Before the attack, up to 80 percent of the families in Haider Khani were sending their daughters to school, according to the principal, Fazal Rabi. An American military Provincial Reconstruction Team quickly repaired the damage and reopened the school. Even so, the principal reckons that only 40 percent of the village's preteen girls came back, and only 10 percent of the teenagers. Parents dread what might happen on the walk to school. Teachers get scared, too. Since the Mandrawar attack, Nooria's teacher, Farida, has traveled to and from school every day wearing a burqa and escorted by a male relative. "Otherwise I fear my nose and hair will be cut off," she told NEWSWEEK.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13392086/site/newsweek/

that stinks, the taliban were pretty cruel.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

This is commonly what is done here when one US soldier commits a crime, all westerners are to blame.


I blame the taliban for the following;


Is this true sharia? What benefit is there to beating him to death if you are going to hang him anyway? The only benefit was to sadisfy the sadistic urges of those that beat him.

First of all to the first comment i said even IF the taliban were blamed, In the indication i gave, you can see that those men were not Real Taliban

This is true sharia, One must hang his body in Public view for 3 days, this is The Sunnah so the public can view the crime that one has committed and the punishment.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

that stinks, the taliban were pretty cruel.

Ya Muslim, Do you believe the lies of those who have tortured 5,000 of your muslim brothers and raped countless number of your sisters who attempted to enjoy a pure islamic life based on establishing sharia?

 

[SilentObserver]

First of all to the first comment i said even IF the taliban were blamed, In the indication i gave, you can see that those men were not Real Taliban

This is true sharia, One must hang his body in Public view for 3 days, this is The Sunnah so the public can view the crime that one has committed and the punishment.

In the indication i gave, you can see that those men were not Real Taliban

And in the indications I gave they were real taliban.

This is true sharia, One must hang his body in Public view for 3 days, this is The Sunnah so the public can view the crime that one has committed and the punishment.

You missed the point. If he is to be hanged anyway, why the beating? Is that islamic teaching? I doubt it.

More taliban;

On Jan. 1, 1999, two members of the Taliban's religious police went to Leilami street in Herat and started beating the shopkeepers and street vendors, and then two old workers named Abdollatif and Abdolhadi, who were working on an exploratory well, asking them why they hadn't attended the prayers. The people were witnessing a 17-year-old thug beating and insulting an old and respectable 70-year-old man.

 

[Dawud_uk]

It is taught in islam to never say that a person that claims to be muslim is not a muslim.

sorry if i dont take my religion from a non muslim.

that is not exactly correct. if i meet someone and he claims islam then fine i would accept that from him at face value but if he begins to act against islam then the scholars will call a spade a spade and first advice him to stop and might even reach the point of declaring takfir against them, declaring them non muslims.

simularly some whole groups claim islam, such as the druze, alawiyyah, ahmadiyyah etc and yet the scholars have looked at the beliefs of these sects and call them kaffirs because claiming islam is not enough, you have to follow it through with actions and beliefs.

Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

What do you say about what the women of RAWA have to say.

lol,

taliban with mustashes, really is funny. they dont even make their lies believable.

if this story is true they would not be taliban who are very strict on such matters and in islam we should trim the mustashe very short and keep the beard long but here we have a group of taliban with mustashes.

Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

that stinks, the taliban were pretty cruel.

you take your news from kaffir news sources, did you varify this story sister?

yes the taliban have destroyed some schools, did you ask why?
but many others were destroyed by ignorant people but ask why the taliban destroyed the schools they destroyed.

they have themselves just said they want to set up schools in the areas they control so it cannot be they are anti education full stop so why destroy a school?

they have said they wish to educate girls, but that boys must earn a living but havent prevented others from setting up girls schools as long as not mixed and as long as curriculum is islamic.

could it be what is being taught in the schools destroyed is against islam and promoting disbelief in shariah?

check the story behind the story before condemning so easily and follow Allah's command and varify news if a fasiq brings it to you.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

hi silent observer,

if this story is true, and you dont post a link to be able to check it out, but if true... how is a man who didnt pray respectable in the sight of Allah and of muslims?

Abu Abdullah

 

[rav]

lol,

taliban with mustashes, really is funny. they dont even make their lies believable.

if this story is true they would not be taliban who are very strict on such matters and in islam we should trim the mustashe very short and keep the beard long but here we have a group of taliban with mustashes.

Abu Abdullah

Wow, I wish I could deny everything people say about Israel here and tell people "the goyam will lie" with a straight face. I bet I would get severly critisized for that though.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Wow, I wish I could deny everything people say about Israel here and tell people "the goyam will lie" with a straight face. I bet I would get severly critisized for that though.

rav,

would you not take the word of a practicing strict jew over a non jew?

or at least expect the non jew to come with some bias that might colour their opinion and at the very least mean you should check up what they bring and make sure it is trustworthy and from a good source?

Abu Abdullah

 

[Al_Imaan]

you take your news from kaffir news sources, did you varify this story sister?

yes the taliban have destroyed some schools, did you ask why?
but many others were destroyed by ignorant people but ask why the taliban destroyed the schools they destroyed.

they have themselves just said they want to set up schools in the areas they control so it cannot be they are anti education full stop so why destroy a school?

they have said they wish to educate girls, but that boys must earn a living but havent prevented others from setting up girls schools as long as not mixed and as long as curriculum is islamic.

could it be what is being taught in the schools destroyed is against islam and promoting disbelief in shariah?

check the story behind the story before condemning so easily and follow Allah's command and varify news if a fasiq brings it to you.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

when my parents were in school back in Afghanistan....the boys and girls were seperated....that was before the Taliban....all their classes had been associated with islam....so i dont know what ur talkin' about.....

 

[Dawud_uk]

when my parents were in school back in Afghanistan....the boys and girls were seperated....that was before the Taliban....all their classes had been associated with islam....so i dont know what ur talkin' about.....

so it was before the taliban, so what is your argument exactly?

i would ask you to look at what the taliban have said, much of which has been posted on this thread. that they warn schools that are either mixed or teaching a secular curriculum and if they refuse to stop teaching these things then yes they have attacked schools and teachers.

but they have also just announed their own plans to set up islamic schools in the areas they control in the south.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Al_Imaan]

wat im tryin to say is that the boys and girls weren't mixed in schools b4 the Taliban....so y did they burn down the schools...i know that they r planning to build schools...this is because they caused already caused so much damage.....and r trying to hide it all....u dont have to agree to wat i say...just because i cant show u proof doesnt mean im sayin' all this out of the back of my head.....i dont get proof from articles posted on the internet cuz that's all part of media.....im talking from the point of view of the afghans i know who have been through alot....

 

[Dawud_uk]

wat im tryin to say is that the boys and girls weren't mixed in schools b4 the Taliban....so y did they burn down the schools...i know that they r planning to build schools...this is because they caused already caused so much damage.....and r trying to hide it all....u dont have to agree to wat i say...just because i cant show u proof doesnt mean im sayin' all this out of the back of my head.....i dont get proof from articles posted on the internet cuz that's all part of media.....im talking from the point of view of the afghans i know who have been through alot....

would it be correct to date two people and then say therefore everything else was the same? no it would not. you see that is just the views and experiences of two people, not the whole nation.

many of the schools run by the communists were mixed, many of the schools promoted by the foreign NGO's were mixed.

i am also going to people who were there, during the times of the taliban and before so guess we are both talking to people with completely different sets of experience

so until the taliban come back again in afghanistan, which is highly likely - then really neither of us can prove the other wrong when referring to the intentions of the mujahadeen there.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[MTAFFI]

would it be correct to date two people and then say therefore everything else was the same? no it would not. you see that is just the views and experiences of two people, not the whole nation.

many of the schools run by the communists were mixed, many of the schools promoted by the foreign NGO's were mixed.

i am also going to people who were there, during the times of the taliban and before so guess we are both talking to people with completely different sets of experience

so until the taliban come back again in afghanistan, which is highly likely - then really neither of us can prove the other wrong when referring to the intentions of the mujahadeen there.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Dawud

why do you sympathize with the Taliban? It isnt like Afghanistan was a wonderful place to live before the US toppled this oppressive regime, not only that but werent they supposed to be a "true" Islamic state, and if that were the case then why would Allah have let them be taken over? The US trained many of the fighters in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, they didnt mind US presence then did they? Now they do because they have become exactly what they did not want, an oppressive radical regime. No rights for women and extreme punishment for crimes, that is why they will not get back into power because no one wants them to be

 

[arabiyyah]

you take your news from kaffir news sources, did you varify this story sister?

ive heard plenty of stories from muslims news people about taliban burning down girls schools. now where in islam does it teach that girls cannot learn?

 

[Keltoi]

ive heard plenty of stories from muslims news people about taliban burning down girls schools. now where in islam does it teach that girls cannot learn?

You believe kuffar news sources...in other words, you don't believe what Mullah Omar tells you. I wouldn't worry about justifying your position to everyone. There are plenty of Muslims who know the truth of what the Taliban regime represented.