Should the US pull out of the UN? Yes, No why do you think so?

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Thanks for the huge summary Woodrow, it cleared up some questions I had. But here's the part I really enjoyed:

Mr. Annan was born in Kumasi, Ghana, on 8 April 1938. He studied at the University of Science and Technology in Kumasi and completed his undergraduate work in economics at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minnesota, U.S.A., in 1961.
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The RED Part! :D
 
Woodrow said:
That seems possible. But I would not rule out Malaysa. I think it can be fairly safe to say that in my life time there will never be one from the USA or the UK. Although I would like to see the US pull out of the UN I don't think that will happen in my life time.
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Candidates for the next UN Secretary General:

OFFICIAL NOMINEES
1) Ban Ki-Moon (South Korea)
2) Jayantha Dhanapala (Sri Lanka)
3) Surakiart Sathirathai (Thailand)
4) Shashi Tharoor (India)

CONTINUING SPECULATION
1) Kemal Dervis (Turkey)
2) Goh Chok Tong (Singapore) - Malaysian Gov't will oppose this fella!! :giggling:
3) Prince Zeid Hussein (Jordan)

OTHERS SUGGESTED
1) Ali Alatas (Indonesia)
2) Anwar Ibrahim (Malaysia) - Malaysian Gov't will oppose him too!!:hiding:
3) Silvia Cartwright (New Zealand)
4) Helen Clark (New Zealand)
5) Dr. Maleeha Lodhi (Pakistan)
6) Niranjan Deva (Sri Lanka/UK)
7) Kishore Mahbubani (Singapore)
8) John Manley (Canada)
9) Thoraya Obaid (Saudi Arabia)
10) Sadako Ogata (Japan)
11) Razali Ismail (Malaysia) - Malaysian Gov't would be happy
12) Domingo Siazon (Philippines)
13) Nafis Sadik (Pakistan)
14) Leticia Shahani (Philippines)

Source:- http://www.unsg.org/candidates.html
 
north_malaysian said:
Candidates for the next UN Secretary General:

OFFICIAL NOMINEES
1) Ban Ki-Moon (South Korea)
2) Jayantha Dhanapala (Sri Lanka)
3) Surakiart Sathirathai (Thailand)
4) Shashi Tharoor (India)

CONTINUING SPECULATION
1) Kemal Dervis (Turkey)
2) Goh Chok Tong (Singapore) - Malaysian Gov't will oppose this fella!! :giggling:
3) Prince Zeid Hussein (Jordan)

OTHERS SUGGESTED
1) Ali Alatas (Indonesia)
2) Anwar Ibrahim (Malaysia) - Malaysian Gov't will oppose him too!!:hiding:
3) Silvia Cartwright (New Zealand)
4) Helen Clark (New Zealand)
5) Dr. Maleeha Lodhi (Pakistan)
6) Niranjan Deva (Sri Lanka/UK)
7) Kishore Mahbubani (Singapore)
8) John Manley (Canada)
9) Thoraya Obaid (Saudi Arabia)
10) Sadako Ogata (Japan)
11) Razali Ismail (Malaysia) - Malaysian Gov't would be happy
12) Domingo Siazon (Philippines)
13) Nafis Sadik (Pakistan)
14) Leticia Shahani (Philippines)

Source:- http://www.unsg.org/candidates.html
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Thanks for the list. Indeed it does seem the next Secretary General will be from Asia. But, don't rule out Prince Zeid Hussein (Jordan)
 
brainiac said:
Pull out and kick them out. The U.N. is a corrupt and weak institution. Move it to France. While the U.S. may be the most influential country, no matter what we do, everyone is always on our backs. Let someone else play 'world cop', then see how the world turns out. I would love to see the day when the U.S. pulls out and throws the U.N. out. And I also propose the U.S. halt all forgein aid for a period of two years. The world hates us anyway ( and I don't care ), so why give money to a bunch of ingrates ? Then we will see who is friendly, and who just has their hands out. Let some other 'Great Satan' feed them.
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Move it to France? Are you kidding?

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north_malaysian said:
But... would it makes any difference when whosoever being elected as UN Sec. General?:rollseyes
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It all depends on how much influence he has in matters outside of the UN. It can alter the way some countries few the UN. As far as UN policies it would make no difference.

This is another reason why the UN would benefit if the US was no longer a member. The Secretary General would probably be seen with more credability and not seen as a puppet.
 
The UN is a corrupt group that can resolve nothing. Look at the genocides under its watch like Darfur, and Rwanda. The purpose of creating the UN was to prevent it, yet some of its most distinguished members like (Russia, and France) have fueled some of these wars.
 
therebbe said:
The UN is a corrupt group that can resolve nothing. Look at the genocides under its watch like Darfur, and Rwanda. The purpose of creating the UN was to prevent it, yet some of its most distinguished members like (Russia, and France) have fueled some of these wars.
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They have failed in Darfur, Rwanda, Chechnya ... I think they ONLY GOOD in humanitarian efforts but not as political organization .... Security Council nowadays seems useless.
 
the UN eh? as in UN-der the thumb of the US? quite clearly the UN is just rubbish, to put it simply. the UN and the IMF are ways to opress countries that have resources in the west's interest, by seemingly 'helping' them. The IMF leant money to the african countries in the 60's with a guarentee of low interest rates, in the 70's interest rates rocketed, and the IMF demanded its money back, effectivley crippling the african nations.

so the question is not, 'should the US leave the UN?' the question is how do we make sure that muslim countries, and other countries, are not exploited by the greedy hand of the west? the answer is islam
 
No, I think I remember the question specifically being "Should the U.S. leave the UN?"
 
Mr. Baldy said:
the UN eh? as in UN-der the thumb of the US? quite clearly the UN is just rubbish, to put it simply. the UN and the IMF are ways to opress countries that have resources in the west's interest, by seemingly 'helping' them. The IMF leant money to the african countries in the 60's with a guarentee of low interest rates, in the 70's interest rates rocketed, and the IMF demanded its money back, effectivley crippling the african nations.

so the question is not, 'should the US leave the UN?' the question is how do we make sure that muslim countries, and other countries, are not exploited by the greedy hand of the west? the answer is islam
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Yeah under the US thumb. That's why they all agreed aon the invasion of Iraq and never try to pass resolutions against Israel right? :rollseyes
 
I have set back and watched what was being said. I was suppressed at some of information provided by Woodrow. I did not realize that the US was providing most of the financing. Of course I was not suppressed to here some say that the US was responsible for all problems. Current events always come into the picture so opinions are given on what is happening in Lebanon. Some say the UN should cease to exist because of its failures. Too, as in most threads there are unrelated and idiot remarks like “America has stolen the lands of poor new orlean people” to help point out how wonderful Hezbollah is. Also some Zionism bashing.
But back on topic and my opinion.
When my car doesn’t work well, I try to fix is, I don’t throw it away.
Till we come up with some thing better, the UN is better than nothing.
I truly think the UN would stop functioning if the US would leave and I don’t think that is a good thing. There are many things that needs addressed, the US = World Police, is only one.
But we have to talk, communicate, state our views, and look for solutions. That is part of being human.

So I want the US in the UN. And I want a better UN.
 
wilberhum said:
I have set back and watched what was being said. I was suppressed at some of information provided by Woodrow. I did not realize that the US was providing most of the financing. Of course I was not suppressed to here some say that the US was responsible for all problems. Current events always come into the picture so opinions are given on what is happening in Lebanon. Some say the UN should cease to exist because of its failures. Too, as in most threads there are unrelated and idiot remarks like “America has stolen the lands of poor new orlean people” to help point out how wonderful Hezbollah is. Also some Zionism bashing.
But back on topic and my opinion.
When my car doesn’t work well, I try to fix is, I don’t throw it away.
Till we come up with some thing better, the UN is better than nothing.
I truly think the UN would stop functioning if the US would leave and I don’t think that is a good thing. There are many things that needs addressed, the US = World Police, is only one.
But we have to talk, communicate, state our views, and look for solutions. That is part of being human.

So I want the US in the UN. And I want a better UN.
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Well we are in at least 50% agreement.

So I want the US in the UN. And I want a better UN
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I also want a better UN. But, you bring up a good point. Can the UN survive without the US. Probably not, so now we are back to square one it remains the USUN.

Perhaps if we could enforce kicking out the members that are not contributing. I no some can not contribute financialy, perhaps they could take on more of a share in shring man power when it comes to Peace keeping forces. as long as the US is doing most of the upkeep we will remain the enablers for the wrong decisions. If each country would pull it's fair share there would be no truly dominate nation and the elected Secritary General could have a job and not be just a figure head.
 
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Should the US pull out of the UN, Don't care really, but I feel muslim Nations should beacuse the UN isn't working in our favour, we should form our own un and govern by allah's laws.
 
I don't think the UN was ever about "peace". The UN is a marketplace. As deterence bacome a stronger stragtegy after the 2nd WW, they needed a place to deliver the "threath". It's basicly a place for the US, to pose its demands and set it's ultimatums. More then that, today it has even become a lucrative buisness. The international equivalent of the maffia's protectionmoney. As a country, if you pay for membership, you have some safety that the west won't attack you. But that means you have to be their dog and follow orders. Just liek an extorted merchant has to follow his "protectors" orders. But then when a country has problems the UN is nowhere to eb seen. Look at what happens when there's problems in Africa, the first thing UN does is bail out of the country. And then when things settle down they come back asking for membership money again, and put up some charade-tribunal as recompensation. I voted: I don't care. US is gonna have it their way anyway, so why bother.
 
islam-truth said:
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Should the US pull out of the UN, Don't care really, but I feel muslim Nations should beacuse the UN isn't working in our favour, we should form our own un and govern by allah's laws.
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So nations should only participate if it is "working in there favor"?
 
wilberhum said:
So nations should only participate if it is "working in there favor"?
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I don't intend to be adversarial with this comment, only observational. Certain of the people (not on this forum) who wish for the US to pull out of the UN use a remarkably similar rationale to the one you are attacking.
 
Muezzin said:
I don't intend to be adversarial with this comment, only observational. Certain of the people (not on this forum) who wish for the US to pull out of the UN use a remarkably similar rationale to the one you are attacking.
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I think you equated questioning with attacking.
 

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