Sikhism

[Hanif_Revert]

Manmohan 'Singh' PM of india is not a Sikh, if he was he'd have at least arranged arrests of people who particpated in killing of Sikhs today. (Some say we live in the past) but imagine, 1 Million Baptised Sikhs killed just randomly. In hte Punjab, drugs are liquior are avaible much more cheaper than anywhere else in india, why? So they can reduce the amount of baptised Sikhs. But a revival is ahead, and htey fear this more than ever!

It is sickening to see how religion can become so twisted and misinterpretted.

Such as Bhangra at weddings with alcohol.

Darhoo (Alchohol) is fermented in many Punjabi households. - And they call it tradition!!
Its sad that the real traditions are never kept. the deveil has his way of infiltrating all paths of good.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Their is a huge Sikh population where I live in London. I have been to countless Sikh weddings. the only one where they didnt dance and drink was in Punjab i must say.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Indeed. But the new generation who have no connection with hinduism (beacause we reside here, and the USA) have taken it upon themselves to distance Sikhs from such practices. - It's happening though.

As for Ali, if you google you can find pictures, and i was told by a shia (i think) that they allow pictures of him, unlike others. It's not the correct practice of all muslims, i know that.

BTW - We don't have idols of Guru's. And no portrayal of any Guru's by actors is premitted.

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I dont believe Shia's are on the correct path personally but im sure they do all kinds of things that Salafi Muslims do not.

Sorry, by Idols i meant things that are idolised such as pictures of the Guru's.

 

[Azhar786]

Alcohol and ethnic and religious diversity[/U

White pupils are the most likely of all ethnic groups in the UK to drink alcohol. Nineteen per cent of white 15- to 16-year-olds drink at least once a week compared to eight percent of black pupils and three percent of Asians. 1

However, drinking among the Asian population has recently risen, particularly among the Hindu community. 2

The use of alcohol is prohibited or disapproved of in Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam, Buddhism and many Christian denominations, for example the Salvation Army and Quaker Society. In reality, some members of these faiths do use alcohol.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Another misinterpretation many people (including Sikh's themselves) have is when the Guru's are described as being 'One with God' or having 'the Divine Spirit' (Harjot) they assume this means that they were 'God'. Hence some worship them (Mutha Tek) bow to their image.

This is forbidden in Sikhi.

But they do bow to the Holy book (Guru Granth Sahib) as the Harjot passed into it after Guru Gobind Singh's death.

Correct me if im wrong

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

I officially declare u lost :rollseyes

 

[Hanif_Revert]

I officially declare u lost :rollseyes

It's sad that people have such a misunderstanding of Islam.

They need education on what we are actually here to do in this life.

I agree with you.

 

[Mohsin]

Lets see whether ALLAH is more concerned about himself or his beloved creations. We have some undoubtedly pious muslims who didnt fail to give away their lives to become martyrs for so called cause of ALLAH, on the other hand we have a Mushrik lady like Mother Teresa who devoted her entire life in serving those who were down trodden.

Personally I will love to live in company of Mother rather than pious muslims, hereafter. May ALLAH grant me what I wish, Ameen.

Mother teresa and the like has been discussed before Mother Teresa- Heaven or Hell?

I read somewhere that mother teresa would give money to poor and at the same time preach them christianity, almost blackmailing them. Dont know if its true. Have also heard that she would put money back into the churches in sri lanka or something. We dont knw her true intentions, and we dont know whether she died in state of islam or not, so we dont know if she is going to heaven or hell. plz read thread for more info

 

[Mohsin]

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

Where does islam say that muslims who kill innocent ppl will be in heaven, let alone the highest level???

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

i laff at that post, cuz he totally switched it round...
good job "mate."

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

It is sickening to see how religion can become so twisted and misinterpretted.

Such as Bhangra at weddings with alcohol.

Darhoo (Alchohol) is fermented in many Punjabi households. - And they call it tradition!!
Its sad that the real traditions are never kept. the deveil has his way of infiltrating all paths of good.

This once again results down to 'culture'. People stick to the panjabi culture. And try to merge it with Sikhi, as Gursikhs know drinking/dancing is not permitted in Sikhi. - More education is required here!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Another misinterpretation many people (including Sikh's themselves) have is when the Guru's are described as being 'One with God' or having 'the Divine Spirit' (Harjot) they assume this means that they were 'God'. Hence some worship them (Mutha Tek) bow to their image.

This is forbidden in Sikhi.

But they do bow to the Holy book (Guru Granth Sahib) as the Harjot passed into it after Guru Gobind Singh's death.

Correct me if im wrong

The first point you make is correct. Nowhere is Gurbani can you find a quote which would lead one to claim any of the Guru's were God - Neither did they ever claim to be so. They said they were servants of God, nothing more. - Guru Gobind Singh Ji, even declared anyone who referred to him as God, would perish in the couldrons (sp) of hell. (You'd think that alone would work as a deterrent)

But you'll find the illiterates still think images are of Guru's which is ridiculous

The Sikhs do bow to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but here is why.....

Guru Granth Sahib does not narrate the life story of Guru Nanak, but each and every word is dedicated to the Glory of the Almighty God only. It is not a reproduction of earlier religions, but the Divine Word (Gurbani) came to the Gurus direct from God. Guru Nanak stated that it was not his philosophy, it was not his understanding and it was not his thinking, but the Word was coming to him direct from God and he was simply delivering His message to the world. As he confirms:

'O Lalo, as comes the Divine Word from Lord to me, So do I narrate it.' (Tilang Mohalla 1, p-722) 'I have said what Thou commandeth me to say.' (Wadhans Mohalla 1,p-566)
This was repeatedly confirmed and emphasized by all the Gurus in their Bani such as:

'From God springs ambrosial Gurbani The exalted Guru narrates and preaches the same to world.' (Majh Mohalla 3, p-125) 'This Word comes from Him, Who hath created the World.' (Mohalla 4, p-306) 'This Word that hath come from God, It dispelleth all woes and worries.' (Sorath Mohalla 5, p-628) 'I speak but the Will of the Lord, For, the Lord's devotee narrateth the Word of the Lord.'(Sorath Mohalla 5, p-629) 'Whatever the Lord hath instructed me, Hear, O my brother.' (Tilang Mohalla 9, p-727)


The tenth Master, Guru Gobind Singh established the same truth that it was God's Word that was being revealed through the Gurus:

'Whatever the Lord sayeth to me I say the same to the world.' (Guru Gobind Singh)
The Janamsakhi (biography) reveals that Guru Nanak many times said to his minstrel Mardana, "Mardana, start playing the rebec, Gurbani (Divine Word) is coming." And the Divine Word was then recorded. That Divine Word is GURBANI- Guru Granth Sahib.

The bowing is a form of respect to the divine word. Just like a Muslim would prostrate towards the Kaaba in Mecca at the time of prayer(point of focus).

Although the worship of God alone is done, and some silly people take it to the point of putting Guru Granth Sahib to 'Sleep' lol that's a farce too. - Luckily only a few people do that, due to the lack of knowledge on Sikhi.


Here is a little about it by someone who's not a Sikh....

Max Arthur Macauliffe, an English writer, delivered a speech in Punjabi language at Akal Bunga, Amritsar in 1899, the translation of which is:

"There is another point to the merit of the Sikh religion that the founders of other religions in this world never wrote even one line with their own hands. You might have heard that there was a very famous Greek philosopher called Pythagoras who had many followers, but he never left behind anything written by him from which we could have known about the principles of his sect. After him came the second Greek philosopher named Socrates who was born in 500 B.C. He became a very famous religious leader who claimed that he was receiving Divine instructions from God within himself, which persuaded him to do good and prohibited from doing any evil deeds. But he too never left anything behind written by him which could have shed light on his philosophy and its principles. Whatever we know about him, has only come through the writings of his follower, Plato. Besides there came Mahatma Buddh in India and he never wrote anything with his hands. After that came Christ who did not write anything himself. His teachings are only known through Bible. However the Sikh Gurus acted quite opposite to all these religious leaders that they themselves dictated their message of Truth and compiled Guru Granth Sahib. In that respect the Sikh religion is far ahead than others." (Translation Sri Guru Granth Sahib- pothi 1,p-gaga, by Bhai Vir Singh)

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

I don't believe that's true brother. I have knowledge of the Quran, but i think people use certain parts of a verse to benefit themselves.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Mother teresa and the like has been discussed before Mother Teresa- Heaven or Hell?

I read somewhere that mother teresa would give money to poor and at the same time preach them christianity, almost blackmailing them. Dont know if its true. Have also heard that she would put money back into the churches in sri lanka or something. We dont knw her true intentions, and we dont know whether she died in state of islam or not, so we dont know if she is going to heaven or hell. plz read thread for more info

I know she was a missionary Christian, but she did a very good service to humanity. That alone would speak voulumes about her goodness. To me it isn't a big issue if she was a Hindu/Jew/Muslim. - You'll find many people wear the garbs of religious people but are not worth mentioning in the same breath as Mother Teresa because they do not live up to the religion they follow (Not talking about any religion in-particular btw)

 

[Hanif_Revert]

I know she was a missionary Christian, but she did a very good service to humanity. That alone would speak voulumes about her goodness. To me it isn't a big issue if she was a Hindu/Jew/Muslim. - You'll find many people wear the garbs of religious people but are not worth mentioning in the same breath as Mother Teresa because they do not live up to the religion they follow (Not talking about any religion in-particular btw)

Only Allah knows someones piety or rightousness. It is not up to us to say otherwise. For only Allah knows truely the what is in one's heart and truely knows the sincerity of one's actions.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Shall we talk about what happens after death?

Can you explain to us how your god descide's what creature or plant you will come back as?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Shall we talk about what happens after death?

Can you explain to us how your god descide's what creature or plant you will come back as?

What's all this 'Your God' business??

Only God know's what the process is, not the mortal!

The Sikhs believe that the Soul has to transmigrate from one body to another as part of an evolution process of the Soul. This evolution of the Soul will eventually results in a union with God upon the proper purification of the spirit. If one does not perform righteous deeds, ones soul will continue to cycle in reincarnation forever. A being who has performed good deeds and actions in their lives is transmigrated to a better and higher life form in the next life until the soul of the being becomes Godlike. From a human life form, if one performs the proper functions of a Gurmukh, the person can achieve salvation with God. One must cleanse the soul by reciting Naam, by remembrance of Waheguru and by following the path of Gurmat.

SGGS Page 306 Full Shabad
Those who meditate on You, O True Lord - they are very rare.

Those who worship and adore the One Lord in their conscious minds
- through their generosity, countless millions are fed.
All meditate on You, but they alone are accepted, who are pleasing to their Lord and Master.
Those who eat and dress without serving the True Lord die; after death,
those wretched lepers are consigned to reincarnation.
In His Sublime Presence, they talk sweetly, but behind His back, they exude poison from their mouths.
The evil-minded are consigned to separation from the Lord. 11

 

[justahumane]

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Islam condems killing Innocent people.

We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33).

According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See Holy Quran Surah 5:32.)

Brother plz clear ur misunderstanding, I never say that holy quran or Islam allows killing of innocents. Period. I might have used wrong words in my posts but they are definetely a gramatical or language mistake.

What I stress upon that holy quran asks ppls to be killed in certain circusmtances. This is a fact which cant be denied. Now my point is that it becomes an individual's personal choice to decide who is worthy of killing or who is not. Here starts all the chaos Islam is facing right now.

To eleborate further: If an Israili soldier kills a Palestinian than the world calls them criminals and terrorists, and rightly so. But at the same time when a Palestinian exploeds himself in a busy marketplace or a resturant taking away some innocent's life.......the Islamic world calls them martyr. It happens.

If some fidayeen kills some innocent Indian armyman, he is considered a martyr or holy jihadi if remains alive. While when some Indian armyman kills some innocent kashmiri than all hell break loose. and rightly so. But why muslim killers are looked upon as pious jihadis is still a question for me which begs for a suitable answer.

I remember someone asking Dr. Zakir Naik. about the suicide bombings Palestinians are carrying on Israilis.........Dr. Zakir Naik answered that its not against Islam coz the martyr is killing an Israili soldier or ex soldier which is allowed in Islam.

So brother, although I view holy quran as a most noble and the best book ever, I find it hard to believe that its book from ALLAH coz it has so many flaws in it, while considering that its law for humankind till quayamah.

Thanks

 

[justahumane]

Where does islam say that muslims who kill innocent ppl will be in heaven, let alone the highest level???

Sorry brother, my mistake, I used the word innocent wrongly. It was just choice of wrong word, nothing intended. I wanted to say that Islam allows killers of ppls place in paradise. Who is going to judge whether the person killed was worthy of killling or not?

Again sorry for my mistake, I m gonna edit my post now.

 

[justahumane]

Regarding Mother Teresa, only Allah knows what faith she died upon. She may have taken her shahada (declaration) before she died.

Also we do not know what reason a person sincerly does a task for.
Do they do it for themselves? i.e forrecognition of acheivement, or to be remembered in this world?

Or do they do it sincerley for Allah?

Sincerity is an important aspect of faith.

If you are sincerley looking for the truth, you shall find it.

Brother u are right, but we are free to speculate about ppls in which faith they died. The world knows/speculates, that Mother Teresa died as a mushrik. There can be no second thought about it. So she is definetely burning in hell with worst of ppls. According to Islamic POV. Sad Indeed.

Brother I honestly believe that she did all the service to humankind for her love towads ALLAH. I myself once heard her saying, "If someone claims that he or she loves GOD and he doesnt loves GOD's creations, than he/she is definetely a liar and a hypocrite" The bottomline of her statement is if U love ALLAH, than U must love his beloved creations too. I m yet to see a great soul like her or someone who has done such a great service to humankind in any other religion.

And about the ppls who sit at home and criticize her for no reason, I will say that there is no great personality who could escape criticism. Remember the hostility the holy prophet faced in almost his entire life, and still ppls out to malign his Image. But can they? its just like spitting towards the sky, we can well judge the result.

thanks.