Satsriakal Quarban Ji
I hope I get the opportunity to answer more of your question with gurus kirpa all is acheivable.
“What I would like to know from you, if you will be kind enough to provide, is whether the religion you follow is the religion chosen by God himself, for whole of Mankind? “
My Answer: This has been discussed many times this is my personal view from a previous discussion, let me also remind you that the various bhagats in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib were not sikhs yet they found god and all belonged to their respective faiths first this clearly shows that it is the love of god that it primary, sikhism took the the torch furhter and revealed the path of naam and atam marg. All religions have specific customs and literature and teachings these teachings help inculcate a love in the seeker to fall in love with god, when a person from another faith falls in love with god they transcend the teachings of their faith by repeating the name of god night and day with devotion and the lord answers their call and they acheive union
how do i know that different members of different faiths can transcend the teachings of their respective faiths?
because we have proof in our religion, farid was muslim/sufi, namdev was hindu bhagat etc etc they all did namaz etc or aarti but it was only after they inculcated a love for the divine that they repeated the name and therefore entered naam marg which is what sikhi believes in therefore that is the sentiment behind all faiths being a path to god it has nothing to do with pluralism or contradiction.
please dont get offended but i do believe that my faith does have unique qualities and that is because as i said before the truth is realised through time and the truth is that it is the love of god which is primary religion is secondary as per sikh teachings.
What happens to people who don’t follow your religion?
My Answer: The same is for all people even for sikhs and that is rebirth you do not have to follow sikhism but you do have to follow naam marg which is revealed by sikhism and not by any other religion.
What is your belief in the origin of Life?
My belief is simialr to big bang theory but I can only say what the guru says:
Creation and Gurmat
"Kita pasao eko kavao" Guru Nanak in JAP JI (Pauri 13)
Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji teaches - "In the beginning God was all alone and there was no one beside Him. The Great Potential hidden within Him was manifested in His creation. Even after creation, He remains detached as endless and unequaled Absolute One. He creates Nature and Himself witnesses it. He brings to an end to all the creation and He reverts to His original state of Aloneness. Air and water were created from His Absolute Self. He creates the Universe and also Man. Man's body consists of water, fire and matter, and within it exists His Light. It is God's Creative Power, which creates all. From the Absolute Lord emanated the Powers of Creativity, Sustenance and Annihilation (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva). From the Absolute Lord emanated all the ages. He is the real man, who understands this knowledge, and it is as a result of union with God, all man's doubts are dispelled. The Absolute Lord created the five senses, intellect and the mind. The Lord, who created them, He Himself keeps watch over them. The person, who by His Grace associates with the congregation of Saints, brings to an end the cycle of repeated births and deaths.
"From the Absolute Lord came forth moon, sun and the firmament. His Light is spread in all the three worlds (which is creative) ......" (Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Rag Maru, Sohile, page 1037, Sri Guru Granth Sahib).
"The Immaculate Lord, Who created His Own self, is all by Himself. He Himself has created the Play of the whole creation. He Himself has created the Three Qualities of Matter and increased love for worldly things. Those, who love the Lord's Will, by His Grace, are the ones who attain salvation. Says Nanak, the True Lord is pervading amongst all and all are contained in the True Lord." (Sri Guru Ram Das Ji, Sarang Ki Var, Pauri 1, page 1337, Sri Guru Granth Sahib).
In Asa Di Var, Pauri 1, page 463 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji states: "He, the Lord, of Himself, created Himself, and gave Name to Himself. The second thing He created is Nature, wherein He resides and revels in His wonder ......"
In Siri Rag, page 19, the Guru says: "From the True Lord came the Wind, and from the Wind, came the Water. From the Water sprang the material World, and He, the Lord, pervades all. ......"
Tenth Guru Ji's says in Tav Parsad Chaupai. "I pay my respects to The Aad Purakh (God). He who is the cause of all causes. He created every thing that is present in Water, on the Ground and above the Ground (i.e.Universe).
The Guru empasises that GOD IS THE ONLY CREATOR and all was created at His Will. The Creation (Big Bang) theory of Science became popular in the 1960's while Guru Nanak explained the creation in the 1500's.
However in sikhism we do not deny the ideology behind adam and eve because it helped establish a patriarchial society but it is a metaphor it is not really what happened in dasam granth Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji also wrote an adam and eve style mythology but for the establishment of patriarchy not as a relation to the origin of the universe I could go into depth more on this but it will involve philosophy and I will be here forever and you will get bored this is from dasam granth which is not the guru but poetry:
Myth of Creation in Sri Bichitar Natak
Now let us examine the myth of Creation as given in Bachitar Natak by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. This myth is the modification of one appearing in Hindu Religious Books, Puranas.
The Guru states -
“When the Formless God effected the expansion of the Universe by uttering a WORD, He created the Earth. At the onset He created the Matter of five elements (Maya), from it a most beautiful and powerful king named Kalsain (god Vishnu) emerged. The second king produced was Kalkait (god Brahma) and the third Koorrbaras (god Shiva). The Fourth was Kaldhuj (Mahavishnu), from Whom the whole creation emerged. God has thousands of beautiful eyes and thousands of lovely feet. He has enthroned Himself on the bed cushion of multi-headed Hydra Serpent and He is remembered by the people, the One seated on the coiled body of Hydra Serpent. God extracted wax from one of His ears, from which Madh and Kitab were produced. He then extracted wax from the other ear, from which this Universe was created. He then caused Madh and Kitab to be killed. Their body fluids were thrown into the ocean. The gluey and oily matter of their body fluids began to float on the surface of water and from thence onward the Creation was named after Madh. Those who perform good deeds in this Universe are remembered as godly persons, while the evil doers are called demons.”
“pritham kal jub kara pasara, oankar tai sirast opara. Kal sain prithmai bhio bhoopa, adhik atul bal roop anoopa. (10)
kal kait doosar bhoo bhio, koorbaras tisar jug thio.Kaldhuj. chathruth nirap soey, jeh tai bhio jagat sabh ko hai. (11)
sehas rach ja ko subh sohai, sehes pad jakai tun mo hai. Sais nag par soeibo karai, jugthe saikh saey ochrai. (12)
Aik sarvan tai mail nikara, tatai madh kitab tun dhara. Dutiya kan tai mail nikari, tatai bhei sirast eih sari. (13)
tinko kal bohoar badh kara, tin ko maid smund mo para. Chiken tas jul par tir rehi, maida nam tabeh tai kehi. (14)
Sadh karam jai purkh kamavai, nam daivata jagat kahavai. Kukirat karm jai jug meh karhi, nam asur tin tosabh dharhin. (15)”
Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji in this myth first gives the idea of Guru Nanak as given in Jupji, that the Universe was brought into existence by utterance of One Word by God. In this way God created the Three gods of Hindu Trinity, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, signifying creation of Matter (Maya) of Three Modes, from which the whole Universe was created. God is further stated to be resting on the coils of the body of Hydra Serpent. Serpent. This Myth is the modification of the Puranic Myth of Creation.
Wild animals, sword, staff, sceptre, etc. are the father symbols, or the emblems of power and well recognized Phallic Symbol, which normally appear in dreams. God is depicted as Almighty, and also as Male God. (God is Formless - this is a myth). As regards birth of persons through ears, the myths and legends in all cultures abound in this type of birth. The legends and traditions of Catholic Christian Church mention that the conception of Jesus in the virgin Mary was brought about by the introduction into her ear of the breath of the Holy Ghost. Hanuwant and Karna, heroes of Ramayana and Mahabharta respectively were born through the ear. In connection with Madonna's conception through the ear, Dr. Earnest Jones writes, "In the endeavor to represent the purest and least sensual form of pro-creation that can be imagined, the one most befitting to the Creator Himself, the mind worked surely on the soundest lines by reaching for its basis to the crudest and grossest idea obtainable; it is always through such violently extreme contrasts, as we know from the analytic study of literature, that the greatest psychological effects are achieved."
God in this myth is stated to have created one Man and one Woman through one of His ears, and from the other He created Earth. In whole of this myth of Creation, the Male God is the sole Creator, Who did not take help of any other agency, particularly female one. The first created Man and Woman were named, Madh and Kitab respectively. God is stated to have later caused killing of Madh and Kitab. Killing is the symbolic of the coitus or sexual act, just as riding a horse, car, etc are in all cultures. Mare is a symbolic of a woman, and riding on the back of a mare is the symbolic of coitus. It is therefore riding of mare by the bride grooms on the marriage occasion is the universal practice. Guru Nanak in his Composition 'Oankar' in Ramkali Rag, states, "kam, karodh kaya ko galay." - Sexual Indulgence and Anger waste away the body. Since the fetal existence is identical to the state of death, the act of being killed is associated with the sexual intercourse., which implies a return to the womb. Sea, lakes, rivers, streams, ponds, etc. signify the womb and the process of birth. The killing of Madh and Kitab, therefore, means that they were engaged in the sexual intercourse and the sexual substance fell into the womb of Kitab. (tin ko kal bahor badh kara, tin ko maidh samandar mein para). The glue like oily sexual substance remained floating in the womb and impregnated Kitab, who gave birth to the off-springs. The human race began to be called the progeny of Madh, as Medni. Word ‘Medni’ in Scriptures means the Whole of Human Race. The Guru thus preaches the Patriarchal System of Society, against the Matriarchal System of unwedded women bearing children, which is unethical. The lineage of all must be from the paternal side of the family, which is based on Ethical Principles and disciplined living. At the end the Guru declares that those who would lead a life based on Morality would be honored, and those who would repudiate Morality, would be called the accursed persons.
The concluding Dictum of the Guru in the Myth exhorting people to lead a moral life is the key to the understanding of this Myth. It is surprising that we have not bothered to know the relation of the concluding Dictum to the foregoing text of the Composition. It is this type of our not going deep into the Compositions of the Gurus, has caused confusion in us. We thus wrongly interpret the Gurus' Compositions, and come to the conclusion that these are not theirs.
And the purpose of life?
Self realisation this theme runs throughout the whole of sri guru granth sahib ji open any page and i swear it will say something about self-realisation.
”By the way if you believe that the Quran is not the word of God! Produce your proof if you are truthful!”
Yes i can the koran says that it was the word of an angel called gabrielle and guru granth sahib tells us plenty about koran you will have to do research yourself:
1. Page4 Line 18 Raag Jap: Guru Nanak Dev
vKqu n pwieE kwdIAw ij ilKin lyKu kurwxu ]
vakhath n paaeiou kaadheeaa j likhan laekh kuraan ||
That time is not known to the Qazis, who study the Koran.
2. Page24 Line 11 Raag Sriraag: Guru Nanak Dev
pMj vKq invwj gujwrih pVih kqyb kurwxw ]
panj vakhath nivaaj gujaarehi parrehi kathaeb kuraanaa ||
You may chant your prayers five times each day; you may read the Bible and the Koran.
3. Page140 Line 18 Raag Maajh: Guru Nanak Dev
imhr msIiq isdku muslw hku hlwlu kurwxu ]
mihar maseeth sidhak musalaa hak halaal kuraan ||
Let mercy be your mosque, faith your prayer-mat, and honest living your Koran.
4. Page329 Line 12 Raag Gaurhee: Saint Kabir
khq kbIr Bly Asvwrw ] byd kqyb qy rhih inrwrw ]3]31]
kehath kabeer bhalae asavaaraa || baedh kathaeb thae rehehi niraaraa ||3||31||
Says Kabeer, those who remain detached from the Vedas, the Koran and the Bible are the best riders. ||3||31||
5. Page397 Line 7 Raag Aasaa: Guru Arjan Dev
byd kqyb sMswr hBw hUM bwhrw ]
baedh kathaeb sansaar habhaa hoon baaharaa ||
He is beyond the world of the Vedas, the Koran and the Bible.
6. Page518 Line 7 Raag Goojree: Guru Arjan Dev
quDu iDAwiein@ byd kqybw sxu KVy ]
thudhh dhhiaaeinih baedh kathaebaa san kharrae ||
The followers of the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran, standing at Your Door, meditate on You.
7. Page722 Line 19 Raag Tilang: Guru Nanak Dev
muslmwnIAw pVih kqybw kst mih krih Kudwie vy lwlo ]
musalamaaneeaa parrehi kathaebaa kasatt mehi karehi khudhaae vae laalo ||
The Muslim women read the Koran, and in their misery, they call upon God, O Lalo.
8. Page885 Line 10 Raag Raamkalee: Guru Arjan Dev
koeI pVY byd koeI kqyb ]
koee parrai baedh koee kathaeb ||
Some read the Vedas, and some the Koran.
9. Page897 Line 3 Raag Raamkalee: Guru Arjan Dev
kurwn kqyb qy pwku ]3]
kuraan kathaeb thae paak ||3||
more sacred than the Koran and the Bible. ||3||
10. Page903 Line 4 Raag Raamkalee: Guru Nanak Dev
kil prvwxu kqyb kurwxu ]
kal paravaan kathaeb kuraan ||
In Kali Yuga, the Koran and the Bible have become famous.
11. Page1036 Line 5 Raag Maaroo: Guru Nanak Dev
byd kqyb n isMimRiq swsq ]
baedh kathaeb n sinmrith saasath ||
There were no Vedas, Korans or Bibles, no Simritees or Shaastras.
12. Page1083 Line 17 Raag Maaroo: Guru Arjan Dev
kurwxu kqyb idl mwih kmwhI ]
kuraan kathaeb dhil maahi kamaahee ||
Practice within your heart the teachings of the Koran and the Bible;
13. Page1193 Line 16 Raag Basant: Saint Kabir
isMimRiq maulI isau kqyb ]2]
sinmrith moulee sio kathaeb ||2||
The Simritees blossom forth, along with the Koran and the Bible. ||2||
14. Page1290 Line 4 Raag Malaar: Guru Nanak Dev
mwsu purwxI mwsu kqybNØI chu juig mwsu kmwxw ]
maas puraanee maas kathaebanaee chahu jug maas kamaanaa ||
Meat is allowed in the Puraanas, meat is allowed in the Bible and the Koran. Throughout the four ages, meat has been used.
15. Page1350 Line 5 Raag Parbhaatee: Saint Kabir
byd kqyb khhu mq JUTy JUTw jo n ibcwrY ]
baedh kathaeb kehahu math jhoothae jhoothaa jo n bichaarai ||
Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.
Sat sri akal Moss Sahib Ji,
“ISDhillon Kabir was a muslim”
oh really have look and judge for yourself the denial is unbelievable with you people:
ਆਸਾ ॥
आसा ॥
aasaa.
Aasaa:
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਕਹਾ ਤੇ ਆਏ ਕਿਨਿ ਏਹ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਈ ॥
हिंदू तुरक कहा ते आए किनि एह राह चलाई ॥
hindoo turak kahaa tay aa-ay kin ayh raah chalaa-ee.
Where have the Hindus and Muslims come from? Who put them on their different paths?
ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਸੋਚਿ ਬਿਚਾਰਿ ਕਵਾਦੇ ਭਿਸਤ ਦੋਜਕ ਕਿਨਿ ਪਾਈ ॥੧॥
दिल महि सोचि बिचारि कवादे भिसत दोजक किनि पाई ॥१॥
dil meh soch bichaar kavaaday bhisat dojak kin paa-ee. ||1||
Think of this, and contemplate it within your mind, O men of evil intentions. Who will go to heaven and hell? ||1||
ਕਾਜੀ ਤੈ ਕਵਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਬਖਾਨੀ ॥
काजी तै कवन कतेब बखानी ॥
kaajee tai kavan katayb bakhaanee.
O Qazi, which book have you read?
ਪੜ੍ਹਤ ਗੁਨਤ ਐਸੇ ਸਭ ਮਾਰੇ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਖਬਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
पड़्हत गुनत ऐसे सभ मारे किनहूं खबरि न जानी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
parhHat gunat aisay sabh maaray kinhooN khabar na jaanee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Such scholars and students have all died, and none of them have discovered the inner meaning. ||1||Pause||
ਸਕਤਿ ਸਨੇਹੁ ਕਰਿ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕਰੀਐ ਮੈ ਨ ਬਦਉਗਾ ਭਾਈ ॥
सकति सनेहु करि सुंनति करीऐ मै न बदउगा भाई ॥
sakat sanayhu kar sunat karee-ai mai na bad-ugaa bhaa-ee.
Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny.
ਜਉ ਰੇ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਮੋਹਿ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਕਰੈਗਾ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਕਟਿ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥
जउ रे खुदाइ मोहि तुरकु करैगा आपन ही कटि जाई ॥२॥
ja-o ray khudaa-ay mohi turak karaigaa aapan hee kat jaa-ee. ||2||
If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2||
ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕੀਏ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਜੇ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਅਉਰਤ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੀਐ ॥
सुंनति कीए तुरकु जे होइगा अउरत का किआ करीऐ ॥
sunat kee-ay turak jay ho-igaa a-urat kaa ki-aa karee-ai.
If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?
ਅਰਧ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਨ ਛੋਡੈ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਹੀ ਰਹੀਐ ॥੩॥
अरध सरीरी नारि न छोडै ता ते हिंदू ही रहीऐ ॥३॥
araDh sareeree naar na chhodai taa tay hindoo hee rahee-ai. ||3||
She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3||
ਛਾਡਿ ਕਤੇਬ ਰਾਮੁ ਭਜੁ ਬਉਰੇ ਜੁਲਮ ਕਰਤ ਹੈ ਭਾਰੀ ॥
छाडि कतेब रामु भजु बउरे जुलम करत है भारी ॥
chhaad katayb raam bhaj ba-uray julam karat hai bhaaree.
Give up your holy books, and remember the Lord, you fool, and stop oppressing others so badly.
ਕਬੀਰੈ ਪਕਰੀ ਟੇਕ ਰਾਮ ਕੀ ਤੁਰਕ ਰਹੇ ਪਚਿਹਾਰੀ ॥੪॥੮॥
कबीरै पकरी टेक राम की तुरक रहे पचिहारी ॥४॥८॥
kabeerai pakree tayk raam kee turak rahay pachihaaree. ||4||8||
Kabeer has grasped hold of the Lord's Support, and the Muslims have utterly failed. ||4||8||
“God told Gabriel AS, and the message was conveyed to Muhammed PBUH, the same message got through. God conveyed the messages in different kinds of way, for example he spoke to Moses PBUH.”
yes but this is still indirect revelation all you have done is supported my assertion i dont know how to argue with you when you agree with me.
“Anyway, why was the Guru Granth sahib only compiled after the 4th or 5th Guru, this supplies evidence that the other so called Gurus never believed in "Sikhism" and that it was craeted by their followers because they were so impressed by nanaks way of life and character “
silly boy, all thr gurus are the same spirit only the flesh changes have look:
6 Raamkalee Balvand and Sata
gur AMgd dI dohI iPrI scu krqY bMiD bhwlI ]
Guru Angad was proclaimed, and the True Creator confirmed it.
gur angadh dhee dhohee firee sach karathai bandhh behaalee ||
7 Raamkalee Balvand and Sata
nwnku kwieAw pltu kir mil qKqu bYTw sY fwlI ]
Nanak merely changed his body; He still sits on the throne, with hundreds of branches reaching out.
naanak kaaeiaa palatt kar mal thakhath baithaa sai ddaalee ||
now after discussing with the few who have asked questions it is quite apparent that someone is teaching you these allegations you have not gone yourselves to a sikh scholar you have tried to pick holes but unfortunately you will make no headway in your endeavours if you would like to learn sikh doctrine then please read the following article otherwise you will always be confounded:
http://www.punjabheritage.com/doctrine.html
Happy reading and to the moderator if you edit this message then you are scared of the truth i have only answered the questions asked of me no more no less.
Thanks,
ISDhillon
Heera Singh
