Sikhism

[Mohsin]

According to Sikh doctrine Muhammed is recognised as one of many prophets, messengers belonging to Waheguru. But we do not believe he was the last.
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Fair enough, thank you for explaining that

But according to Islam he is. That is your belief and we respect you for your belief, but that doesn't mean we shall agree and start practising Islam?

No what we muslims say is if you believe him to be a prophet from god, you will understand how he must have been chosen for his brilliant character and honesty, and how he wouldn't lie, and anything he would say would be by the will of God. Thus you should follow what he says if you do actually believe he is a prophet.

I suggest that you stop listening to people who have no clue .

Thats why i'm asking you, to know what Sikhism does say

and concentrate on your faith

part of my faith is to invite people to the truth (According to us that is Islam )

Again, Moshin, stop comparing.

I'm not comparing nothing.

its not going to help you or me.

It might help you if you revert

Learn to accept that there are many paths to Allah apart from Islam

Sorry but i can't accept something that is self contradicting and extremely illogical. There can only be one path to god.

let me ask you,
How can God have a son (Christianity) and not have a son (Islam) at the same time
How can there be in reincarnation (Hinduism and Sikhism) and be heaven and hell (Islam Christianty and Judaism) at the same time
How can we come from Adam and Eve (islam Judaism Christianity) and not come from at the same time (Sikhism Hinduism)
How can halal meat be halal for some people (Jews Muslims) but haraam for others (Sikhism) at the same time
Why do some people have to pray 5 times a day otherwise they sin (muslims) and everyone else doesn't, how can both ways be right

Please tell me why God would contradict himself. please oh please expalin to me what kind of god you believe in that can't make his mind up on what happens to people after they die. God is perfect in islam, without error, and can't contradict himself, so thus there is one path to God. What is 4 cm tall for one person is 4cm tall for another person. i look forward to your reply

 

[Fishman]

How can anyone here be getting false information about Sikhism from an Islamic site when there are almost no Islamic sites about Sikhism? And I have seen disinformation about Islam from Sikh material here, in another thread, and on the internet.

 

[unbreakable]

let me ask you,

I shall try my best

How can God have a son (Christianity) and not have a son (Islam) at the same time
How can there be in reincarnation (Hinduism and Sikhism) and be heaven and hell (Islam Christianty and Judaism) at the same time
How can we come from Adam and Eve (islam Judaism Christianity) and not come from at the same time (Sikhism Hinduism)
How can halal meat be halal for some people (Jews Muslims) but haraam for others (Sikhism) at the same time
Why do some people have to pray 5 times a day otherwise they sin (muslims) and everyone else doesn't, how can both ways be right

Please tell me why God would contradict himself. please oh please expalin to me what kind of god you believe in that can't make his mind up on what happens to people after they die. God is perfect in islam, without error, and can't contradict himself, so thus there is one path to God. What is 4 cm tall for one person is 4cm tall for another person. i look forward to your reply.

I liked your sarcastic remark (in bold above), tells me alot about the way you think. Thats ok, Allah shall judge you when your time comes.

To you this is contradiction, to me it shows the POWER of Waheguru and the many different ways in which people all over the world, this very minute praise Allah (see how I am using Waheguru and Allah).

You say to me I should revert, well brother if I did that then I would be as confused as you.

God, Allah, Waheguru is Perfect in every religion, let alone Islam.

There is nothing wrong with the world, the problem is with how you see the world and it is clear that you doubt Allah and his power.

I shall answer your question with a question, why can it not be like that?

Can I ask you, Muslims say Islam is a universal faith, for all of mankind. Is it?

I could say that if God in Islam is perfect then he should have told muhammed about the Sikhs and it should have been in the qu'ran? Where does God in Islam talk about salvation for a Sikh? Where in all those chapters has God talked about a Buddhist?

Well, I am off now, if you have any further questions drop me a mail.

 

[unbreakable]

How can anyone here be getting false information about Sikhism from an Islamic site when there are almost no Islamic sites about Sikhism? And I have seen disinformation about Islam from Sikh material here, in another thread, and on the internet.

Of course you havn't :giggling:

 

[Fishman]

Of course you havn't :giggling:

No, I haven't. I'm not lying. The only Muslim site that attempts to refute Sikhism to my knowledge is Abu Jafar al-Hanbali's site, which happens to be the one that my teacher runs.

And I remember seeing Sikhnet posting some fake hadith, along with another site that posted the same article. It said that Muhammad spoke highly of the turban (which is true), and posted a bunch of fake hadith to support it's opinion.

The only real problems I have with Sikhism are theological and logical ones, not ethical. I don't know much about Sikhism, but from what I've heard, it's ethical beliefs are quite (though not entirely) similar to the Islamic ones. Both Sikhism and Islam encourage fighting against evil, human equality, being kind to others, and generally being morally sound.
However, there are a number of aspects about the Sikh faith which I consider to be flaws, and a number (quite a few) aspects about the Islamic faith which I consider to be miraculous. I don't think that I will be able to change your mind about Sikhism (or anyone's religion), the only way for one to truely become a Muslim is by Allah's permission.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Also, you raised a point about Sikhs being kind to Muslims historically. Whilst this is good, this does not count as evidence for whether Sikhism is true or not.

If i sat here and typed that the only true way to God was through Sikhism as it was the last relgion to have been formed by God then we'd be here arguing forever and a day.

So Guru Nanak Ji stated as instructed by God (not by a go-between Angel Gabriel etc) then more conflict would be created. But it would appear to me that fact is overlooked by Muslims/Hindus delibrately, in-order to cause conflict. Sikhi is the true way, they way of the Lord Allah! Read it and weep my brothers/sisters as your refusal to aknowledge Sikhism has no impact on the Sikhs! ;D

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

No, I haven't. I'm not lying. The only Muslim site that attempts to refute Sikhism to my knowledge is Abu Jafar al-Hanbali's site, which happens to be the one that my teacher runs.

And I remember seeing Sikhnet posting some fake hadith, along with another site that posted the same article. It said that Muhammad spoke highly of the turban (which is true), and posted a bunch of fake hadith to support it's opinion.

The only real problems I have with Sikhism are theological and logical ones, not ethical. I don't know much about Sikhism, but from what I've heard, it's ethical beliefs are quite (though not entirely) similar to the Islamic ones. Both Sikhism and Islam encourage fighting against evil, human equality, being kind to others, and generally being morally sound.
However, there are a number of aspects about the Sikh faith which I consider to be flaws, and a number (quite a few) aspects about the Islamic faith which I consider to be miraculous. I don't think that I will be able to change your mind about Sikhism (or anyone's religion), the only way for one to truely become a Muslim is by Allah's permission.

There are a lot of things stated in the Koran that contradict the muslims and what they do/say. 72 Virgins etc etc

 

[dianputri]

Sikhi is the true way, they way of the Lord Allah! Read it and weep my brothers/sisters as your refusal to aknowledge Sikhism has no impact on the Sikhs! ;D

i dont want to talk true or wrong about religion,,
it is only in every each people's hart who believe in their own God,,

but, are u not miss something brother ?
why are using my GOD name ? "ALLAH NOOR"
and the sword,,,
what is this ?

is this kind of separately islam like sunni or shia ?
if it is. that is mean you are wrong brother,,
be careful,,,

 

[Mohsin]

There are a lot of things stated in the Koran that contradict the muslims and what they do/say. 72 Virgins etc etc

Brother this shows your lack of knowledge. 72 virgins is not even mentioned in the Qur'an. Explain to me what muslims say that contradicts the Qur'an

 

[unbreakable]

No, I haven't. I'm not lying. The only Muslim site that attempts to refute Sikhism to my knowledge is Abu Jafar al-Hanbali's site, which happens to be the one that my teacher runs.

I see, I rest my case. My knowledge, limited at that about Islam comes from my Muslim friends, whom I deeply respect. So now you figure out the rest.

And I remember seeing Sikhnet posting some fake hadith, along with another site that posted the same article. It said that Muhammad spoke highly of the turban (which is true), and posted a bunch of fake hadith to support it's opinion.

Links would be helpful, otherwise your above comments are taking up bandwidth.

The only real problems I have with Sikhism are theological and logical ones, not ethical. I don't know much about Sikhism, but from what I've heard, it's ethical beliefs are quite (though not entirely) similar to the Islamic ones. Both Sikhism and Islam encourage fighting against evil, human equality, being kind to others, and generally being morally sound.
However, there are a number of aspects about the Sikh faith which I consider to be flaws, and a number (quite a few) aspects about the Islamic faith which I consider to be miraculous. I don't think that I will be able to change your mind about Sikhism (or anyone's religion), the only way for one to truely become a Muslim is by Allah's permission.

I don't have a problem with Islam and its followers. I do have a problem with people who think they know, but infact know nothing at all.

I suggest that you concentrate more on Islam and Allah, than listening to your misguided teacher.

 

[unbreakable]

dont want to talk true or wrong about religion,,
it is only in every each people's hart who believe in their own God,,

Thats good to know

but, are u not miss something brother ?
why are using my GOD name ? "ALLAH NOOR"

Allah is one of many names of Waheguru. I believe that is a Muslim belief aswell and yes I know why you call God Allah.

I don't see any problem with it, if you do, complain to the mods.

and the sword,,,
what is this ?

The sword is a sword, Its a 3 or 4 foot sharpen iron blade with a fancy handle.... you know Sword. Like Sword. :giggling:

I would post a link, but the mods are abit iffy about links. you guys might learn something.

I suggest you search on the internet using a search engine like google or msn and type is "what is a sword". Or buy a dictionary.

is this kind of separately islam like sunni or shia ?
if it is. that is mean you are wrong brother,,
be careful

what do you mean? Can you please clarify yourself?

 

[unbreakable]

This might be my last post as I believe the Mods don't like people speaking the truth.

So if any Muslim brother or Sister here wants to learn about Sikhism then you can email me. I am not here to convert you. If you want to know about Sikhism from a Sikh, then email me. Any questions are welcome.

Stop listening to people who have no clue about anothers faith, simply because they don't practice it. Its really quite simple.

Have faith in Allah for ultimately Allah shall guide you on the path of righteousness.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Fishman. your teacher is he a Sikh?

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

umm.. bro.. if ur sikh why dus it say "Brother in Islam" on ur profile ting (on da left)

 

[Mohsin]

umm.. bro.. if ur sikh why dus it say "Brother in Islam" on ur profile ting (on da left)

Who are you referring to, if me, then i'm not a sikh i'm a muslim

 

[Fishman]

I suggest that you concentrate more on Islam and Allah, than listening to your misguided teacher.

My teacher is not misguided, and he does not focus on Sikhism, he only has a short article. Here's his site. He's actually a really good guy, and I go to Islamic classes every monday evening that he runs.

 

[Mohsin]

I could say that if God in Islam is perfect then he should have told muhammed about the Sikhs and it should have been in the qu'ran? Where does God in Islam talk about salvation for a Sikh? Where in all those chapters has God talked about a Buddhist?

Well, I am off now, if you have any further questions drop me a mail.

Why should God have told Muhammed PBUH specifically about Sikhs. There is no reason to. The Qur'an is a book of guidance, not to talk about all these other countless religions in the world.

You asked where Islam talks about salvation for Sikhs or Buddhists,

And give good news (O Muhammad) to those who believe and do good deeds, that they will have gardens (Paradise) in which rivers flow... Quran, 2:25

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter. (Quran, 3:85)

Those who have disbelieved and died in disbelief, the earth full of gold would not be accepted from any of them if it were offered as a ransom. They will have a painful punishment, and they will have no helpers. (Quran, 3:91)

Salvation for anybody born in any religion is Islam. Even born muslims, it is not simply to just believe as you might think, you have to practice the belief also

There is nothing wrong with the world, the problem is with how you see the world and it is clear that you doubt Allah and his power

I don't doubt Allah, i believe he is all perfect. You clearly do not.

I shall answer your question with a question, why can it not be like that?

Because two opposites can not happen at the same time. please exaplin to me how Jesus can be the son of God and not the son of God at the same time.

God in the Qur'an says someone who committs shirk is the worst of people, and someone who believes Jesus is the son of God is committing shirk, and it is a sin God will never forgive, but yet Christians believe he is the way to salvation and you have to believe he is the son of God who died on the cross. Explain to me how god can be happy with both

I really don't understand how you can believe God can contradict himself.

Also you believe prophet Muhammed is a messenger, right? But yet you believe he is a liar as you don't accept his word that the Qur'an is the word of God and not his own writing. If he is a messenger then why did he also not teach about reincarnation, and about other sikh teachings, about the 10 gurus, why did he instead teach us about going on hajj, told us to get circumcised, told us we are allowed 4 wives, all of which the gurus speak out against. Why did prophet Muhammed convey these teachings?

I also want to add how i find it funny when Sikhs say to me Sikhism is the only religion that believes all other faiths are correct. That is so false! If you think about it, Sikhism is no different to other religions which also believe only their religion is right

Christianity say Christianity is the true religion, and you attain salvation through Jesus PBUH
Jews believe the chosen sons of israel are the special race and they will attain salvation
Muslims believe you have to follow the tecahings of Muhammed PBUh to attain salvation

Sikhism believes all the above religions are wrong in thinking they have to be Christian/Jew/Muslim to attain salvation. So doesn't that mean Sikhism also thinks the other religions are wrong and only theirs is right?

Finally i want to reply to your comments on how us Muslims always try and convert Sikhs and others. Believe it or not, so did Guru Nanak. he travelled the world and spread the teachings of Sikhism. Several people converted to Sikhism in his time, if he didn't want people to convert, why didn't he stop them from converting or becoming Sikh. Christians also try and make people become christians. We are no different. We want others to reach heaven. We know we live the best way of life, and have been granted something special, so it is only natural for us muslims to invite others to what we have, so that they may also feel the fruits of our way of life.

I'd understand if you got frustrated if i went on sikh forums and started asking questions about the sikh faith, but this is an islamic forum, and its aims are to spread the true teachings of islam. If i pose questions to sikh inviting them to a better way, then i am free to do so. it is up to you if you want to answer the questions or not. You are free to not answer the questions, however it will speak volumes about the strength of your faith

 

[Mohsin]

Unbreakable

Read this bro, this is what allah says abourt those who believe he has a son

And they say: the Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a Son. Assuredly ye utter a disastrous thing, whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall to ruins, that ye ascribe to the Beneficent a son, when it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should chose a son. There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave. (Qur’an 19:88-93)

Look at how God talks about those uttering this disastrous thing. and yet he's created this other religion telling them to believe he has a son, who died on the cross for everybodies sins

God has only ever had one path to him, that is submission to his will and power. in arabic this is known as islam. Moses and jesus we believe are muslims, they submitted to the will of God. Howvever their teachings were lost and corrupted and the followers created new religions Judaism and Christianity. Nowhere did Moses ever say he is a jew or he is starting Judaism, and same for Jesus PBUH he never sqaid he is a christian starting christianity

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

Who are you referring to, if me, then i'm not a sikh i'm a muslim

no, im refferin 2 'unbreakable..'

 

[chacha_jalebi]

Chacha jalebi :heated: I believe its best you stick to your jalebi's. Your statement has no truth, no fact, infact it is a waste of time. Please think with that brain Allah has given you before posting, backed by proof. I am not talking about what you talk about with your friends, uncles, so called scholars of comparative religions (dr zakir naik) or the iman at your local mosque.

So think and read my post it no way says anything vulgar towards a Muslim. Think about it, go on, it might do you some good.

History is witness that the Sikhs are extremely understanding and tolerent of other faiths. This is not the case with Muslims. i.e. destorying of the buddhist idols in Afghanistan. The Sikhs throughout history and even recently have rebuilt mosques.

So be on your way and come back when you want to learn and talk about Allah.
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Waheguru.

my gawd!!! i was bein nice to ya, and whos bein rude now? unbreakbale main tenu break kar dena eh , you said sikhs are tolerant of other faiths, and muslims aint? well right now your not being tolerant, and when partition happened why wasnt you tolerant then? when the hindus used the sikhs lol, see stop bein hypocritical, all i said is that when guru nanak ji came up with his verses, he talks about a criteria of muslims read my post properly you will understand what i said, because its true! and can i just ask who is guru nanak to give a criteria for to be callin yourself a muslim? and why did he do that?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

i dont want to talk true or wrong about religion,,
it is only in every each people's hart who believe in their own God,,

but, are u not miss something brother ?
why are using my GOD name ? "ALLAH NOOR"
and the sword,,,
what is this ?

is this kind of separately islam like sunni or shia ?
if it is. that is mean you are wrong brother,,
be careful,,,

'You're God'' ? LOL I didn't realise you owned God...

Aval Allah noor upaiyaa, kudrat ke sab bande, Ek noor te sab jag upjiya, kaun bhale kaun mande" Means::

First of all, God has developed the light ... the rest can be found on this thread somewhere