Sikhism

[Fishman]

Nothing secret/deceptive/dishonest about it!

It is true that Guru Sahib Ji was dressed as a hajji and where ever he went they would have discourses with the local mullas and holy people and all were one in the opinion that Guru Maharaj Ji was an exceptional person of God. The Sheikhs and mullas were much impressed with Guru Sahib Jis knowledge and insite, so I do not see a problem with Guru Ji walking into Mecca unopposed. Guru Ji didn't decieve or tell lies.

Also,

The Kaaba is now closed off with a building that surrounds it, and you get in by some tunnel (where thousands of people annually suffocate or get trampled upon), in the olden days the whole area would have been open and access to the main kaaba area would be quite easy. So all Guru Sahib Ji had to do was just walk in. Muslims, revered him

“I have appeared in this age to indicate the way unto men. I reject all sects, and only know one God, whom I recognise in the earth, the heavens, and in all directions.”

Are you aware of ''Sheikh Bahlol Dana (the Wise) and of Sheikh Muhy-ud-din Abdul Qadir Jilani''? If not, i suggest you look it up and you'll see what Guru Nanak was percieved to be by muslims!

Why was he dressed as a Hajji? If he wasn't a Hajji, but he dressed like one, Isn't that being decieving? You can't exactly dress as a Hajji by accident, since Hajjis are the only people who wear an Iram.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Why was he dressed as a Hajji? If he wasn't a Hajji, but he dressed like one, Isn't that being decieving? You can't exactly dress as a Hajji by accident, since Hajjis are the only people who wear an Iram.

Guru Nanak dressed in this manner throughout his whole life.

Do you not read the other posts?? :rollseyes

 

[Fishman]

Guru Nanak dressed in this manner throughout his whole life.

Do you not read the other posts?? :rollseyes

Guru Nanak.

A guy in ihram.
See the difference?

And besides, if he was trying to make people think he's a Muslim, then isn't that decite? It's like a guy with a non-gender specific username entering the sister's board.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

A guy in ihram.
See the difference?

And besides, if he was trying to make people think he's a Muslim, then isn't that decite? It's like a guy with a non-gender specific username entering the sister's board.

That's not how he dressed. That looks more like a Buddhist costume minus the saffron colour. You can see how Guru Ji dressed. You seem really content on throwing the word 'deceit' around. What you can't seem to fathom is he was allowed into Mecca for the simple reason he was revered by muslims. Nothing anyone says can change this.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Now I am not in certain knowledge of Sikhism but: my parents were friendly with Sikhs when I was a young; I made a close friend of a girl whose father is Sikh and mother is Australian when I was sixteen and am fond of her now at thirty eight; I attended a meditation lesson upon two occasions that is from within the Sikh Traditon and found it compatible with my common expression, and thereby felt it conducive to Prayer.

In fact Sikh practise felt more familiar to me than Muslim custom even now when I enter Mosque, but I call my self Muslim rather than Sikh: because I have set about to educate my self in Islam; and have received Religious experiences that orient my belief to Islam; and have certainty that is absolute of Qur'an being Allah's. But perhaps if I had been a person living in India at time of partition it could have happened to me that maintaining Islam felt most possible in the place I already live in and as a Sikh. But I do not know about Sikhism. But if a Man has received all his Religious training within a Sikh school, and his experience of orientation to Prayer in Allah is affirmed by other practising Sikhs before he has met with any Muslims, then why would he want to convert to Islam, that is, before He is learned the fullness of Qur'an.

I should be wary of my inclination to believe that Sikhs provide a form of certainty that many Hindu people are not forgetting of Islam, as though Sikhs are to Hindus like Mujahideen to Muslims, but that concept continues to creep up on me. In fact I am of the resounding opinion that every other existing Religion is essentially a primative form of Islam, and is what provided the necessary prerequisites for Qur'an to be heard. I believe that what defines a Religion as a Religion is that its teaching is a form of ahadith. The miracle of Qur'an is.

 

[Fishman]

That's not how he dressed. That looks more like a Buddhist costume minus the saffron colour. You can see how Guru Ji dressed. You seem really content on throwing the word 'deceit' around. What you can't seem to fathom is he was allowed into Mecca for the simple reason he was revered by muslims. Nothing anyone says can change this.

How come you said he dressed like a hajji if he didn't wear an ihram? That 'Buddhist costume minus the saffron colour' is the dress that almost every pilgrim to Makkah has worn ever since the time of the Prophet (pbuh).

Why would he be revered by Muslims if he wanted to condemn their religion? I understand why they liked him for criticising Hinduism, but I would think that any Muslim would let anyone who falsely proclaimed themselves a messenger of Allah (Muslims give these people the name 'dajjal', the same name as the antichrist) into Makkah.

and please can you quote those verses of the Quran you talked about before, do you know how long it would take to trawl back through the whole topic looking for them?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

How come you said he dressed like a hajji if he didn't wear an ihram? That 'Buddhist costume minus the saffron colour' is the dress that almost every pilgrim to Makkah has worn ever since the time of the Prophet (pbuh).

Why would he be revered by Muslims if he wanted to condemn their religion? I understand why they liked him for criticising Hinduism, but I would think that any Muslim would let anyone who falsely proclaimed themselves a messenger of Allah (Muslims give these people the name 'dajjal', the same name as the antichrist) into Makkah.

and please can you quote those verses of the Quran you talked about before, do you know how long it would take to trawl back through the whole topic looking for them?

1 - This is what he wore - http://www.sikhiwiki.org/images/6/69/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca.jpg

2 - Where did he condemn Islam when all he said was be a true Muslim as instructed by the Kuran! :rollseyes

3 - The verses were taken off this website and i can't find it in any other thread. It's on here, unless the mods have removed it (as they they do that when ever proof is provided that'll make Sikhism stand true)

 

[Fishman]

1 - This is what he wore - http://www.sikhiwiki.org/images/6/69/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca.jpg

That's not an Islamic pilgrim's clothing. It's only ever permissible to go on Hajj without Ihram if you can't where one, so I assume that's what he said.

2 - Where did he condemn Islam when all he said was be a true Muslim as instructed by the Kuran! :rollseyes

A true Muslim does not condemn the Hajj, which the Quran advises Muslims to do.

3 - The verses were taken off this website and i can't find it in any other thread. It's on here, unless the mods have removed it (as they they do that when ever proof is provided that'll make Sikhism stand true)

You could actually try reading the Quran, and then posting whatever you find objectionable on this site.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

That's not an Islamic pilgrim's clothing. It's only ever permissible to go on Hajj without Ihram if you can't where one, so I assume that's what he said.


A true Muslim does not condemn the Hajj, which the Quran advises Muslims to do.

You could actually try reading the Quran, and then posting whatever you find objectionable on this site.

He went into Makka and did what he was instructed to do by God! End Off!

I've read bits of the Kuran and find it quite interesting. It's a fine piece of literature!

 

[bint_muhammed]

He went into Makka and did what he was instructed to do by God! End Off!

I've read bits of the Kuran and find it quite interesting. It's a fine piece of literature!

no offence to you mate, but you aint answering Fishman's questions, which seems to be that you can't! i may be wrong but i also get the feeling you arnt very knowledgable about sikhism, as you claim, like i said i may be wrong!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

i heard that guru nanak was a muslim but he used to live in the wild so he never used to shave his hair and stuff. lol and he believed in one god and that.. but the other 10 gurus after him focused more on copying how the guy dressed up like and how he acted - eg. long beard, a knife to hunt and protect etc. - instead of focusing on what he did/believed spirtitually and mentally.


Allah (swt) knows best.


wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

Yup he was and when he died, Muslims and Sikhs argued over who had control over his body. Muslims wanted to bury him and Sikhs wanted to burn him, like hindus do. As they argued, the body that was under the sheet disappeared, so both sides took half of each sheet. I dont know if it is true, but its what ive heard and what my mom told me.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

How was he not allowed if it's noted he was lying with his feet towards the Kabba!

Fact is the Kuran speaks of many messengers to have come before Mohammed and many more to come after. It's the Kuran that states this not me. If you don't believe what the Kuran says then you're not following Islam!

People can distort Sikhism anyway they feel, but it shall remain as pure as the day God started it via Guru Nanak Dev Ji!

Prophet Muhammad(saw) is the seal of all prophets. The last and final messenger of Allah.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

NO! He was uniting others who claimed to be muslims/hindus etc etc.

He was respected by both, but never once insisted he was muslim. His followers said he was a prophet (both muslims and hindus as i keep saying)

Muslims never said he was a prophet, dont bring in false statements. He was well respected thats true.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Hmmm, if you'd bothered to read the link i posted you'd understand as it's self-explantory.

He put on the blue dress, worn by hajjis. He took a fakir’s staff, or stick in his hand. The Guru carried a book of his sacred songs or hymns. Like the hajjis, he had with him a iota or jug. He also carried a mat like the hajjis. Dressed thus, he looked like a typical hajji. All along, he acted in every way as hajjis did. Bhai Mardana was with him. He, too, was dressed as a hajji.

This is the way Guru Ji dressed and for what he preached and, because of this he was considered to be a muslim Prophet.

Astaghfirullah!! He was not a prophet or ever considered one by Muslims. He was well respected and he was a Muslim. He did everything a Muslim did.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I don't know which Sikhs you have been talking to, so I cannot speak for them.

According to Sikh doctrine Muhammed is recognised as one of many prophets, messengers belonging to Waheguru. But we do not believe he was the last.

But according to Islam he is. That is your belief and we respect you for your belief, but that doesn't mean we shall agree and start practising Islam?

Islam has a existed before sikhism. Mohammad(saw) is the seal of all prophets and no1 to come after.

Again, Moshin, stop comparing, its not going to help you or me. Learn to accept that there are many paths to Allah apart from Islam

Who are u to say that.

 

[Curaezipirid]

How is it a Hajji dresses? A person stated like a Buddhist without the saffron? Is it white robes? I have a close friend who pronounced Shahada recently, but is near to being Hajji from his work within the Aboriginal community trying to sustain the belief of persons whom are falling. I tried to express to him that his status is dutifully honoured by other Muslims, but he is afraid of the Aboriginal community realising that he is. But I should like to get for him the correct dress.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

no offence to you mate, but you aint answering Fishman's questions, which seems to be that you can't! i may be wrong but i also get the feeling you arnt very knowledgable about sikhism, as you claim, like i said i may be wrong!

Erm, you've got a WHOLE thread dedicated to the subject, perhaps it's you who lacks the ability to read...

I've given all the answers as have many people!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Yup he was and when he died, Muslims and Sikhs argued over who had control over his body. Muslims wanted to bury him and Sikhs wanted to burn him, like hindus do. As they argued, the body that was under the sheet disappeared, so both sides took half of each sheet. I dont know if it is true, but its what ive heard and what my mom told me.

Shows how much you know, it was Hindus who wanted to cremate him and Muslims wanted to Bury him! Like i've said, read the previous posts!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Prophet Muhammad(saw) is the seal of all prophets. The last and final messenger of Allah.

Only for Muslims, not for the Sikhs.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Astaghfirullah!! He was not a prophet or ever considered one by Muslims. He was well respected and he was a Muslim. He did everything a Muslim did.

Correction, did he pray like a muslim? No
Did he read the namaz? No.

You having trouble scrolling through the thread to read previous posts?? Because i suggest you do, as you're just showing your ignorance!