Simple, logical arguments to prove the existence of God

[Musliman]

One city is far too unreliable. It could be a heavily gay city, like Brighton, or it could have very few gay people in. Nevertheless, the gene for homosexuality is naturally rare- if it weren't, procreation would be a very ineffient task indeed.

Definitely, but no one can know the exact percentage of the sexual orientation orientations, because as I said there are many closeted or "non-assuming" people, and it varies from one region,/city to another. But if you check on the net you'll find that the LGBT proportion is of almost 10% of the world, that's just to correct your estimate

 

[CosmicPathos]

One city is far too unreliable. It could be a heavily gay city, like Brighton, or it could have very few gay people in. Nevertheless, the gene for homosexuality is naturally rare- if it weren't, procreation would be a very ineffient task indeed.

I doubt there is a "gay gene" in the first place.

 

[Froggy]

I doubt there is a "gay gene" in the first place.

So do I. I know two gays who both have straight identical twins.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Interesting!
I am not here to debate, but this line of yours barney caught my attention.
Is it really not matter to you? You have one life, no more chance...suppose you live that whole one life and at the end you realized that all what you believed in was a lie and you are in front of God at the day of Judgment! will it still be not matter to you?

I am not expecting a long post from you, a simple yes or no with short paragraph is enough here.

I would be shocked if I died and went to some sort of afterlife. I would be double shocked if there was a God. I would be triple shocked if that God was one of the ones people here on earth advocate for. But I do not claim it would be impossible. Just extremely unlikely (invisible aliens may be standing next to me right now too).

That said, if I did appear before a God that judged me as deserving of punishment for not believing in him (rather than say for killing people or something) I would not respect that sort of tyrant God and would stand against him anyway.

 

[AhlaamBella]

I would be shocked if I died and went to some sort of afterlife. I would be double shocked if there was a God. I would be triple shocked if that God was one of the ones people here on earth advocate for. But I do not claim it would be impossible. Just extremely unlikely (invisible aliens may be standing next to me right now too).

That said, if I did appear before a God that judged me as deserving of punishment for not believing in him (rather than say for killing people or something) I would not respect that sort of tyrant God and would stand against him anyway.

Good luck with that ;D

If at that point you have realised there is a God, what power do you possibly possess that is capable of standing against God?

What amuses me is how people use the word God without actually comprehending what that actually means. Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that He doesn't exist - then you can come out with big talk about standing against him

 

[جوري]

Good luck with that ;D

If at that point you have realised there is a God, what power do you possibly possess that is capable of standing against God?

What amuses me is how people use the word God without actually comprehending what that actually means. Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that He doesn't exist - then you can come out with big talk about standing against him

I was about to say the same thing Wallah, but figured it isn't worth it..
as per my other post:
You must remember that atheists aren't very evolved.. in the evolutionary scale, they are still stuck back at ape.. so they have monolithic unrefined beliefs.

to condemn an act = hate for the individual
refined morals = need to look for a loophole to make degenerate behavior more acceptable
beliefs in things that are beyond scientific explanations = fairy-tales
good-manners= antiquated social graces
folks dismissing them for their incessant vulgarity= they are logical and others just can't deal with it..

the faster you reach this conclusion the better off you'll feel!

 

[Pygoscelis]

If at that point you have realised there is a God, what power do you possibly possess that is capable of standing against God?

If he's all powerful, then clearly I would have no power to oppose him. I'd be like a citizen of North Korea. But so long as I had free will I could defy him in some way or another. Of course he may take that away too.

Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that He doesn't exist - then you can come out with big talk about standing against him

I can't disprove God anymore than I can disprove the forementioned invisible aliens standing beside me (or the IPU, flying spaghetti monster, celestial teapot, etc). Not being able to disprove an untestable claim isn't any reason to think it remotely likely to be true.

 

[AhlaamBella]

If he's all powerful, then clearly I would have no power to oppose him. I'd be like a citizen of North Korea. But so long as I had free will I could defy him in some way or another. Of course he may take that away too.

So basically your screwed.

I can't disprove God anymore than I can disprove the forementioned invisible aliens standing beside me (or the IPU, flying spaghetti monster, celestial teapot, etc). Not being able to disprove an untestable claim isn't any reason to think it remotely likely to be true.

So again, you're screwed. You can't disprove it - Quit your arrogant big talk.

 

[Skavau]

Interesting!
I am not here to debate, but this line of yours barney caught my attention.
Is it really not matter to you?

Look at it from your own perspective. I doubt you hold the truth-claims of Sikhism or Taoism to much importance. I doubt that the claims of Judaism or Scientology mean much to you, nor either the prospect that what if they are true?

You have one life, no more chance...suppose you live that whole one life and at the end you realized that all what you believed in was a lie and you are in front of God at the day of Judgment! will it still be not matter to you?

Ultimately, if you are sincere and realistic you can only shape your life on what you hold to be true and valuable. You hold Islam to be true and valuable and as of such the claims of its divinity make sense to you and need to be observed. An atheist does not share these views. I have no reason from my perspective to fear the prospect of a judgment by Allah in an afterlife anymore than I do the judgment of Yahweh.

Questions like these often asked make no coherent sense because they assume implicitly that belief is arbitrary. People can only act sincerely.

 

[Skavau]

Good luck with that ;D

If at that point you have realised there is a God, what power do you possibly possess that is capable of standing against God?

This isn't the point.

Pygo never claimed that he would have any power against an omnipotent being. He stated a moral opposition against a being that would support and implement thought-crime. I would also, if given the opportunity or allowed the strength voice my opposition against such a being.

Power does not equal morality. Strength does not dictate righteousness.

What amuses me is how people use the word God without actually comprehending what that actually means. Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that He doesn't exist- then you can come out with big talk about standing against him

You understand what the burden of proof is? You also, I hope understand that negatives cannot be disproven? That is to say I can no more disprove God that you can disprove Thor, or Zeus.

 

[Skavau]

I was about to say the same thing Wallah, but figured it isn't worth it..
as per my other post:
You must remember that atheists aren't very evolved.. in the evolutionary scale, they are still stuck back at ape.. so they have monolithic unrefined beliefs.

Replace the word 'atheist' here with any ethnicity, or any religious belief and I suspect the moderators would deal with you.

 

[Trumble]

Atheism has been around for a long time, but interestingly, the rise of atheism as something serious and intellectual is a more recent phenomenon than you might think. The first publication of atheistic thought in the English language was written by Percy Shelley who died as 'recently' as 1822.

Hardly. Hume's writing, for example, is full of barely disguised 'atheistic thought' and his atheism was widely acknowledged even at the time, although he never openly actually admitted it being bright enough to know that was a lousy idea from the point of view of self-preservation. Even so he was still charged with heresy, which despite being acquitted still seriously damaged his academic career.

 

[جوري]

Replace the word 'atheist' here with any ethnicity, or any religious belief and I suspect the moderators would deal with you.

Pls. refrain from replaying to members with incoherent thoughts..It wastes web-space.. also, do remind yourself that you're on an Islamic board which makes you a guest here, so I'd familiarize myself with host/guest n/etiquette before I type!

all the best!

 

[AhlaamBella]

This isn't the point.

Pygo never claimed that he would have any power against an omnipotent being. He stated a moral opposition against a being that would support and implement thought-crime. I would also, if given the opportunity or allowed the strength voice my opposition against such a being.

Power does not equal morality. Strength does not dictate righteousness.

Firstly, I didn't say he said he had the power. I was clearly pointing out that he would need power to accompany the comments he was spewing.

You understand what the burden of proof is? You also, I hope understand that negatives cannot be disproven? That is to say I can no more disprove God that you can disprove Thor, or Zeus.

Ah but my proof of God and the authenticity of the Qur'an disproves the existence of Thor or Zeus. what you got?

 

[Skavau]

Firstly, I didn't say he said he had the power. I was clearly pointing out that he would need power to accompany the comments he was spewing.

Yes, but the essence of Pygo's point was that if God was to demand, on pain of torture that he be glorified and worshipped - then he does not and is not deserving of worship.

Ah but my proof of God and the authenticity of the Qur'an disproves the existence of Thor or Zeus. what you got?

I can't help but be reminded of Evangelical Christians (The Bible says it so I believe it) retorts with this comment.

Nonetheless, you believe that the authenticity of the Qu'ran disproves the existence of Thor and Zeus. In order for me to agree with those claims I would first have to accept the divinity of the Qu'ran first. I don't.

 

[AhlaamBella]

That reminds me. Have you read the Qur'an cover to cover?

 

[Skavau]

Pls. refrain from replaying to members with incoherent thoughts..It wastes web-space.. also, do remind yourself that you're on an Islamic board which makes you a guest here, so I'd familiarize myself with host/guest n/etiquette before I type!

all the best!

I am very well aware I am on an Islamic Forum. I don't believe that insulting and hateful comments about people based on what they don't believe is at all becoming of this forum either. You do a great disservice to the mature members on here that despite my disagreements with them, come across as polite, sincere and well-meaning.

I would, and have said the same about atheists making insulting remarks about theists and making what would be considered a hate-speech against theists. I say the same to you. Your remarks about atheists in this thread are nothing less that than direct insults that would not be acceptable in any other form.

 

[جوري]

I am very well aware I am on an Islamic Forum.

Good!

I don't believe that insulting and hateful comments about people based on what they don't believe is at all becoming of this forum either. You do a great disservice to the mature members on here that despite my disagreements with them, come across as polite, sincere and well-meaning.

How is defining what an atheist is by terms they find endearing insulting? You do believe you evolved from apes? you do make your own principles and ethics rejecting those of religion? I'd think you'd be flattered that it is all laid out on the table, so neither party wastes the other' time and I frankly feel an atheist on this forum for that many years holding on to their beliefs is a waste of everyone's time!

I would, and have said the same about atheists making insulting remarks about theists and making what would be considered a hate-speech against theists. I say the same to you. Your remarks about atheists in this thread are nothing less that than direct insults that would not be acceptable in any other form.

I find your speech (collectively) not only hateful to far more important things than mere humans, but disrespectful with no semblance of common sense, respect or decency, and again, calling it like it is hardly qualifies it as hate speech.

Again, so we are not wasting each others' time try to compose a cohesive thought before you write or refrain from pouncing on every member who isn't even addressing you by their remarks!

all the best

 

[Skavau]

How is defining what an atheist is by terms they find endearing insulting? You do believe you evolved from apes? you do make your own principles and ethics rejecting those of religion? I'd think you'd be flattered that it is all laid out on the table, so neither party wastes the other' time and I frankly feel an atheist on this forum for that many years holding on to their beliefs is a waste of everyone's time!

You know exactly what I mean. You're playing dumb. You meant the term 'unevolved apes' to be hateful and derogative in manner.

I find your speech (collectively) not only hateful to far more important things than mere humans, but disrespectful with no semblance of common sense, respect or decency, and again, calling it like it is hardly qualifies it as hate speech.

This paragraph is nothing more than an insincere justification for hateful remarks.

Again, so we are not wasting each others' time try to compose a cohesive thought before you write or refrain from pouncing on every member who isn't even addressing you by their remarks!

all the best

I suspect if someone was to insinuate or insult all Muslims you would reply in a negative way. And you would have every right to.

 

[جوري]

You know exactly what I mean. You're playing dumb. You meant the term 'unevolved apes' to be hateful and derogative in manner.

No, I don't know what you mean.. my response is direct result of your collective communications!

This paragraph is nothing more than an insincere justification for hateful remarks.

I don't view them as hateful, I find them fitting and justified!

I suspect if someone was to insinuate or insult all Muslims you would reply in a negative way. And you would have every right to.

You constantly insult Islam and Muslims and aren't given a mere slap on the wrist.. I wonder why when folks paint atheism for what it actually is and stands for without florid terms you get all uptight and unhappy? Are you ashamed of what you are? a product of an ancestral ape who doesn't know why incest or pederasty are view as an abomination?

give me a break mac.. go cry to the atheists on the dawkins forums on your woes here.. I hardly pass a post there that refers to theists without an F word!

all the best