Sinners being destoyed and a good job too!

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Post 92
Allah is going to say its for a punishment, warning, he is not going to say on the Day of Judgement he caused a disaster because he thought people would like it.
 

Post 97
Obviously your just picking and choosing what you like, the Day of Judgement is upon us, your totally missing this point which Allah has warned us so many times in the Quran, and the fact that the Prophets have failed to warn us and that these countries won't be around-see the Major signs of the Day of Judgement

You've just said that insha'Allah he be guided to Islam-well obviously missing the point-that's what Allah has been doing already, all of these years-providing a fair test for everyone. Then you go onto quote a verse were Allah says people need to change themselves-which is what I believe-everyone is having a fair test. they don't need anything else from Allah to help them to repent-what do you think all of these years have been about? Please read the Day of Judgement thread.
 



Post 103
Then are you saying that all the sinners that died last year who weren't raised in as a Muslim did not have a fair test?? Its obvious your not reading the other two threads, but people who drink and take drugs are already doing something they know has no benefit. When a person takes drugs, they still showing a level of thinking as they are hiding their drugs, as they are worried that the police will catch them, so if they can be worried about the police catching them, the can also be worried of Allah catching them too.

Drunkards don't experience much good -for example they even go on holiday to a nice beach and all they want to do is get drunk-so how are they actually enjoying being on holiday? Even people are saying you don't need to be drunk in order to enjoy themselves. People who get drunk-they are selfish, which is a characteristic of being evil, they don't care about their children, and be drunk in front of them, being depressed-so they are so depressed they want to go around being lewd too etc.

Also has I said go up to them and say this on the Day of Judgement of course its a no brainer that a Muslim lifestyle is better.

How can you disagree with the fact they are not stupid-then you are saying that Allah is sending them to hell for no good reason! Do remember that they are good enough to be judged by Allah personally -so how can you say they don't know. For Allah to send someone to hell its a very, very, very, very good reason, as he is Merciful.

Then are you saying the drunk who died last night did not have a fair test?
Then are you saying the drug addict who died last night did not have a fair test?

What do you think Allah is going to do with them? Provide them with beautifiul wives and be looked after in Paradise forever instead of going to hell? What have they done to deserve this?

Again you cannot say that people don't know the difference between right and wrong-stop treating people like if they are stupid, this is there once in a lifetime oppurtunity to make it to Paradise! Do not continually underestmate how much Allah has provided them in this world.

For say it to Allah on the Day of Judgement-say to him that you don't think he has provided a fair test for them and that he should not be sending them to hell!
 
Post 106
Why stop now??? What do you think Allah is going to do give them thousands of years each to repent? As I've written on another post the 2004tsunami happened as people were being evil-and even people were agreeing with this in Indonesia etc. They were sitting their gossiping, even males who survived were saying their girlfriends perished-being lewd!

Allah has provided a simple test to everyone-why are so many people treating the unbelievers like if they are dumb? It does not matter if they were not raised as a Muslim everyone knows that adultery, etc is a sin! If they have not repented before the die, they will be going to hell.

The whole world knows that Muslims pray to Allah-that's what they know about Islam and we are against indecent behaviour. If you are one of those who are saying they aren't receiving a fair test from Allah-then go and pray and tell Allah that -tell him that I don't think the unbelievers are having a fair test!

Also pray for the sinners that died last week-and say to Allah its because you were not being Merciful and did not provide them with a fair test, that's why I'm asking for them to enter Paradise! Instead of asking me to go upto a disbeliever when I am 100% confident that Allah is Merciful and provides a fair test-you can go up to any sinner on the Day of Judgement and ask them -and they will all say they have received a fair test. The problem here is some Muslims think we are going to have to speak to every single non-believer to help them-when you vastly underestimating what Allah has already been providing them in their lifetime-which obviously is more then a Muslim would be able to give them.

Closed minded-its is you who are picking and choosing what you like and comfortable with, its a fact that when people don't repent they will be destroyed-this is not a closed minded view-this is from the Quran.

Go ahead then and pray for these countries to continue-pray for Allah to provide them with more time.
 
Post 109
Allah's test is so straightforward that we already know what he approves of and what he doesn't. He provides a natural disaster as a punishment and everyone should take it as a warning-which is were the good comes in-as people will want to repent to Allah and fear being sent to hell! Allah is not going to tell us he is judging us on this, this, on the Day of Judgement-he has already taught us -afterall the punishment is severe-going to hell forever so of course its not about knowing what Allah thinks-its about what Allah has already taught us and provided by all the Prophets! We don't need to wait till the Day of judgement to know that people were being sinful.

I as a Muslim am happy to die with the sinners-we only look towards the next world-so as long as we make it to Paradise, its better to die with them then live with them. Have you seen the pig -its so disgusting-anyone liking it-is not going to call it a lovely creature-what they even feed them rubbish. Its a no brainer-its about physically people liking something that is obviously wrong, its like when people are willing to use other people to take their land, property etc-they don't care how ugly they treat someone-they look over their ugly acts and they look over how ugly this creature is as long as they can eat its flesh. Whenever have they called it beautiful??

It appears that muslims only think that people are going to repent if they talk to them-well this is wrong-as Allah has provided them with so much more, they all know that Allah exists. That's what Muslims are forgetting, wait till they hear what the sinners will be saying on the Day of Judgement-they all received a fair test, even if they have not spoken personally to a Muslim. They have seen so many disasters and they still did not heed the warning etc.
 

Post 117
Well that's were we disagree-I believe that they all know that Allah exists, Allah would not create a soul that did not know he exists. Even all the creatures worship Allah. So see the sinners on that Day-you've been listening too much to their petty excuses. Being so depressed-they obviously already know that drink is not going to help them with their problems and its about being too lazy to sort them out.

Even all the devils know that Allah exist, and they used to eaves drop on heaven. This is the same test that people failed when Harut and Marut came and the people asked them how to do black magic-see? a normal person going near heaven would just be interested in being admitted in their, but these devils only care about this world and causing trouble-that they were willing to just eavesdrop and come back into this world-actually not thinking about heaven and even those people could have asked the angels to try and make it to heaven -or I wish to go with you-but they were only concerned about causing trouble in this world -that they also forget about Allah, they were just interested in living in this world and causing trouble.

People have even ignored the overwhelming evidence on the existance of devils-crop circles, UFOS -which were photographed and even scientist believe they originate from this world etc See? They ask of proof of Islam when they ignore this-why do they ignore it because they want to think about living in this world. Obsessed with living in this world.

People who get depressed -its a fact they are depressed as they think their life should be perfect-but this is a state only applicable in heaven. If you were on holiday you feel a higher happy emotions-and then it drops down after the holiday finishes. But these people only think about living in this world and that's why they think they have to be happy all the time, and they are depressed because their life is not working for them-well its a test-who told them to treat this world more then they should have done, they know that life is temporary and people have died-but still hold onto living in this world, that is why they complain their life is not perfect.

All people know that adultery is wrong, they know killing a person is wrong, and even their relationships are wrong-even when people are teenagers, a female its not normal for her to think that I am going to have sex with this guy, and then that one, and then that one. Its more normal for her to think about being with one person-how many of them dream of a perfect wedding day, they don't dream about sleeping around as a teenager-so not normal. Also they feel guilt too about being lewd, people want to make it look like they don't care because they don't want to-well its not something that all of them would want their husbands to know, as well as feeling guilty about adultery, they want to keep it a secret from their husbands.
 
Post 138
Your complaining that I'm talking about test-and then you talk about the Quran-when the Quran is given to us because our whole existance in this world is because we are being tested!!

Of course I not going to stop saying test, test, test-this is what all this is about-passing our test to make it to Paradise.

That's why Allah has sent Prophets to help us pass our test, that's why he has provided us with the Quran to help us pass our tests, that's why we have the Day of Judgement to see if we have past our tests!

Allah has been Merciful to everyone in the history of this world, he is the Judge, personally judging us all on the Day of Judgement-not delegating this task to anyone-and a fair Judge he is too, for everyone!

Test, test, test, test!
 
Post 147
I’ve already said many times, we have been kind to non-Muslims, and they have been taught about Islam-what then do you call what has been happening these past years? The Muslims here are under the impression that we are going to start from scratch and talk about Islam-why would we need to do this? When every single person has heard about Islam in the whole of this world, it has been written on every single newspaper and radio station and TV.

Some people are simply underestimating what Allah has already provided to all of these people.

Your question;-

"Are you a Muslim, because you deserved to be guided or because Allah was Merciful to you even though you did not deserve it"?

Is a no brainer question in Islam-everyone has a fair test, they are not chosen to be given a place in Paradise, everyone has the free will to accept being a Muslim. Allah has allowed us to “earn” our own rewards for the next world either in Paradise or in hell. Allah has been Merciful to everyone-to Muslims and non-Muslims! So we are not a Muslim because we have deserved it. We all rely on Allah’s Mercy-but we have to make the right choice before we are able to receive it. So we are reliant on Allah, but he has allowed us to earn our rewards.

So Allah is not rewarding himself on the Day of Judgement for being Merciful to us-he is rewarding us!! Because we earned it!! He is not rewarding us because we have received his Mercy! He is rewarding us because we have made the right choices.

So we are simply a Muslim because we have accepted the message that there is only one God, remember the Day of Judgement and in Paradise and hell-which everyone would know about even if they are not a Muslim-everyone knows around the whole world that Muslims worship the one God!


Allah never purposely makes a person a disbeliever to test that person!

Again people know that there is only one God, and have heard about the Day of Judgement even if they are not a Muslim. He has already made it easier for everyone to accept Islam. What do you think has been happening all this time?? Allah has been Merciful and provided them with a fair test. If they have chosen to visit nightclubs every week for the past couple of years knowing their countries are fighting against Muslims that is there problem, they purposely do not do anything to improve upon their life, just as some are lazy etc. That’s not because they didn’t know about Islam-its because they chose to live stupidly. It doesn’t make a difference to the test today, people know the difference between good and bad sins. Even if your not a Muslim, they believe killing someone is wrong, adultery is wrong etc.

As I said numerous times, we are not starting from the beginning with these people, while the war on terror was going on they heard of Islam, they seen so many natural disasters, but still increased their sinful behaviour. Your simply saying they don’t know about Islam because they have continued with their rubbish behaviour-that was their choice-but when they went to a pub, or wherever they knew that Muslims live in this world and they do not like drinking behaviour, and they worship the one God.

I live in the UK, and I firmly believe that everyone is being tested fairly- to deny this means that you would be denying that Allah is being Merciful to them.

To say they don’t know what it takes to be a good person-means your also denying that Allah is providing them a fair test.-some of them died last week-and they are going to hell -and they received a fair test.

Wait till the Day of Judgement then approach the sinners and ask them if they could have repented yesterday, last week, last year, the years before them-they will say yes. Ask them did living in the UK, US etc stop them from always knowing what is required to be a good person-and they will say no, ask them on the Day of Judgement did they know that Allah existed-and they will say Yes.

Nobody is going to stand on the Day of Judgement and say to Allah;-

1. I don’t know who you are,
2. Why are you judging me?
3.. I don’t know what I’m doing here on the Day of Judgement!
4. I didn’t know that I had to be a good person.
5. I thought being lewd was an acceptable behaviour.
6. What is hell?
 

Post 154
If you agree that everyone who dies as a disbeliever has had a fair test then you have to agree that on earth they were having a fair too! Every single day was a fair test for them, nobody would be disagreeing with this on the Day of Judgement.

You accuse me of being arrogant-when you’re the one who is saying that only Muslims know what is required of them to make it to Paradise! You’re the one who is being arrogant by saying the only way they can truly be helped by speaking to a Muslim, when there are plenty of them who have never talked to a Muslim in their lifetime.

I have always said that natural disasters are a punishment from Allah-and that it is written on my record as I have seen it-and that I have no excuse for heeding this warning on the Day of Judgement-so I cannot be accused of being arrogant!

As I’ve always said that does not stop me from talking about religion, but that does not mean that I’m going to stop praying for sinners to be destroyed either!

Every single person in this world has heard about Islam -which means that every single person knows that we worship Allah!! Who said I was making assumptions on people who call themselves Muslims aren’t being evil-I’ve already said there are plenty of people who call themselves Muslims who are evil and it’s a good job the war started its even sorting out who is evil and who isn’t in this war on terror. People are siding with the US in Pakistan etc are evil, and when the US collapses, they’re on their own. They will be beaten up by the Muslims, it’s a good job that the evil and the good are being sorted out, as people are just taking their sides as there won’t be any room for dialogue-of course we won’t be having a peace talk with the Dajjal. Its not about talking to sinners, they wouldn’t be able to even say they don’t think Allah exists, homosexual rights.

Your treating all non-believers like if they are innocent-but they haven’t just said they don’t accept Islam-they have also attacked Islam, like headscarfs, cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him-there is a difference between just simply rejecting Islam and fighting against it-even they tortured the Muslims and the public response was that they didn’t care! They thought it served them right they were being tortured. This is the same as people did before at the time of Pharoah, the sinners didn’t care that the good people were being tortured. Also the public supported Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him to be thrown into the fire.

So you are out of date, and if you don’t think so, then just look these countries won’t be around long.
So you won’t be sitting around saying that we have to talk to the sinners -because people will just be fighting against them!

Also in Haiti of course the Muslims can’t talk to them like if nothing happened and that they do not know what is required of them to repent!

Which is worse, what I have said or the earthquake? Why don’t you complain that the earthquake is not a nice thing to do? Why don’t you say to Allah you should not be causing earthquakes but its about being nice to people as they are stupid?

If you think what you believe is correct then that means these countries would still be around, for you to sit there talking to them about Allah like if they never had anything, while they continue with their rubbish behaviour, and kill more Muslims abroad.
 

Post 211
Obviously people are talking as unbelievers -I have NEVER said that I am going to stop talking about Islam-but I cannot deny that these countries are being destroyed right now-they will not be operating as countries nor their businesses when the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him arrives.

I have never taken credit for unbelievers-as I've said we have already been kind-have we not been putting up with them for this past 8 years too since the war on terror has started etc?.

I have already agreed that no country will survive. I have already agreed that when the UK, US etc is finished it will of course have a knock on effect and the other countries will cease to operate-after all no one is going to continue with their stock markets-as I mentioned in the Day of Judgement thread as well.

After all the proof before them, they want to treat the non-believers like if they are innocent -well if this is the case then why did the majority of them not complain about Bush, Cheney etc about using torture? Even though they know the war on terror is wrong-why are they happy that Islam loses? Why are they happy if Muslims convert to Christianity? Even though they aren't religious? Even that's what they told Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him to be an idol worshipper! Why? He was not attacking them-because they did not want someone telling them to be good! So they can continue with their evil without any criticism -just like the people attacking Prophet Lut peace be upon him -when the Prophet did not attack them! Even today look at their reaction when they hear of a Muslim rejecting Islam-when that Muslims has not caused any terrorist activites atc. They are happy that a Muslim has rejected Islam!

As Allah has stated in the Quran-they will not be happy until you join them in disbelief, they go around causing trouble in the world and claim they are being peaceful when they are not. They want to cause division between the Muslims etc.

“And when it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: ‘We are only peacemakers.’ Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.” Al-Baqarah 2:11,12

Qur'an 3:100 "O you who believe! If you obey a group of those who were given the Scripture [Jews and Christians], they would indeed render you disbelievers after you have believed!"

Qur'an 3:119 "Lo! You are the ones who love them [Jews and Christians] but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures while they disbelieve in your Book. And when they meet you, they say, 'We believe.' But when they are alone they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: 'Perish in your rage.' Certainly, Allah knows all the secrets in the breasts."

Qur'an 3:118 "O you who believe! Take not as your friends those outside your religion [Jews and Christians] since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the revelations, if you understand."

Qur'an 66:9 O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell an evil refuge (indeed).



How many times have you heard that they prefer us to be Christians -when they themselves do not care about Christianity-so again doing the same as unbelievers in the past, don't like us being religious.

Clearly this article was needed, we are approaching the Major signs of Day of Judgement, we are not at the beginning of starting to talk about Islam with these people, and even some Muslims are thinking that these countries are not going to end right now-but just before the trumpet blows signifiying the Day of Judgement is completely wrong.

The countries are collapsing right now, and then we are moving towards the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement" -(thread already written on this in the general section) about the way we are putting up with evil has changed, they will no longer be able to talk about homosexual rights etc.

So, get up to date, why are Muslims basing their religion according to how sinners think? They accuse me of picking and choosing Islam when I have done no such thing! They have clearly not given much thought on these countries being destroyed!

Then get up to date, and remember to run to join the Mahdi when he leads the Muslims not say they are going to sit around as if they are going to live as they did years before!
 

Post 213
Also I mention that some people are talking as unbelievers because look at the example of the West-when they can't find anything wrong with a person-they accuse that person of something they did not say or did not do, in order to attack that person ;-

1. They accused Saddam of Hussein of things which they already knew was untrue and he was attacked.

2. They also accused Ahmadinejad of saying to wipe Israel of the map-which they say he did not-just accuse him of something in order to help attack him, when he has even met Jewish people in the US.

PEOPLE HERE HAVE ACCUSED ME OF SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT TO CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM-WHICH IS NOT TRUE-I HAVE SIMPLY SAID THE COUNTRIES ARE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE AND WE ARE NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF TELLING THESE PEOPLE ABOUT ISLAM. I ALSO TOLD THEM TO READ POST 1 IN FULL IF THEY WERE TO POST ANYTHING.

ALSO I HAVE TO MENTION THIS THAT EVEN PROPHET MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM HAD SAID THAT EVEN A CAUTIOUS, RELIGIOUS MAN CAN BE LED ASTRAY BY WOMEN-AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THOSE HERE WHO HAD THE TRUTH BUT STILL COMPLAINED-ACTING LIKE THE US ACCUSING ME OF NOT HELPING PEOPLE-AND EVERYTIME I TELL THEM -THEY STILL ACCUSE ME OF NOT HELPING PEOPLE! THEY THEMSELVES DID NOT ANSWER THE UNBELIEVERS IN THIS THREAD WHEN THEY QUESTIONED THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT-SO WHY DID THEY NOT HELP THEM? THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT ADMITTED THAT POINTS ON POST ONE ARE CORRECT-THEY HAVE COMPLETELY AVOIDED THIS -JUST LIKE THE US ETC-THEY KNOW THE TRUTH AND THEY AVOIDED IT AND JUST ACCUSE THIS PERSON OF SAYING SOMETHING THEY NEVER DID, JUST TO CONTINUE TO ATTACK THAT PERSON, AGAIN, AGAIN AND AGAIN.

WE MUSLIMS HAVE TO REMAIN STRONG TOGETHER, AND NOT BE LED ASTRAY BY WHAT'S OBVIOUSLY FALSE!
 



Post 218
Just like to say a thank-you to everyone's posts, and it proved that some Muslims needed a wakeup call that the fact that we cannot deny that the countries are being destoyed and we are not going to start all over again talking about Islam with these sinners today like if they have never heard of it.

People were assuming that the non-believers were just innocent but they have to rememeber;-

1. They are happy for any Muslim to leave Islam, just as Allah has stated in the Quran, they won't be happy until the Muslims become like them. Just as they asked Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him to be an idol worshipper, and they attacked him and the home of Prophet Lut peace be upon him.

2. The majority did not complain that the Muslims were being tortured-just like poeple at the time of Pharoah did not complain that the good people were being tortured.

3. Even though they know that the war on terror is wrong, they would still like to have victory over the Muslims, and then show off about it.

4. Please remember that they are good enough to be judged by Allah personally-so don't treat them like if they are stupid.

5. I am saying I don't care if they are destroyed-and if a natural disaster happened which would kill a lot of Muslims-they would be happy and wouldn't care either!

Also do not be fooled, and have doubts on what Islam teaches, non of the Prophets failed to warn people of the Day of Judgement, hell and that their nations will be destroyed.

Even before the Christians used to talk about the above, but they changed it claiming it was not kind to talk about sinners being sent to hell, and even now they don't talk about angels being tough with sinners as they used to in Western countries, now they just talk about them being kind and protecting towards them. When angels only care about worshipping Allah, and it is this that they are happy doing various things as they are working for Allah, they are his servants.

Be strong in your faith! We are approaching the Major signs of the Day of Judgement. Do not be fooled by sinners! Remember that we are not going to be sitting with them for long, but we have to join the Mahdi and the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him!
 
god bless all human beings , and guide them to da right path. ppl nowadays r jus excepting others to do well but dun act themselves .
 
god bless all human beings , and guide them to da right path. ppl nowadays r jus excepting others to do well but dun act themselves .

Well Allah has already provided so much, and I thank Allah that all this evil will not be continuing, as per the countries finishing, going towards the first Major signs of the Day of Judgement.

I will not be praying to Allah for him to give something to the UK for example, what more do they need? They have stuffed themselves with so much meat that they have not sacrificed, being openly lewd etc What on earth could they possibly need? What more? Nothing comes to mind.

If people think that they need to pray to Allah to provide more, are they saying that Allah has not already provided so much??

Anyhow, I appreciate people to read the thread and the posts before commenting, as clearly you have not done so, in a very short space of time.
 
i was jus referring to one particular post i didnt read da whole thing
u got me wrong
but anyways
sry
 
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I believe what sister muslimah means that as children of Adam, we will always sin. Hence, we are all sinners. But as the Prophet :saws: said, the all children of Adam are sinners and the best of sinners are the ones who repent constantly.

It is narrated in a hadith that Sayyidina Rasulullah (Salallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:
"Every son of Adam is a sinner, and the best of sinners are those who repent constantly".
- Ibn Majah, Tirmizi, Darimi (p. 760 Al Hadis, Vol. 3 Fazul Karim)

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After your last stupid posts, you see fit to come into my other threads without reading?? Ie the post 5 on this thread is relevant.

Also this was also brought up by another member on Islamicboard, maybe you should read the Quran all over again too.

1. I am referring to people who are not repenting.
2. Also as soon as you repent you are no longer called a sinner.

What do you think Allah even says? That;-

-he told the angels to join the sinners, to fight the other sinners in the Battle of Badr?
-he told Prophet Noah peace be upon him to gather the sinners and take them into the ark?
-he will say come sinners you have earned your reward in Paradise, so enter sinners.

I don't expect Muslims to behave as non-Muslims, and try and make some smart comments which frankly is meaningless, I'm not here to waste my time, so I expect others to respect that, and to help by making Islamicboard more productive in learning.

I'm free to comment on any posts in this forum of course without violating the rules.

Sister, do you think that the guests who visit Islamic Board will read every single post you write? The majority of viewers don't even join us. They leave with the picture they gain on Islam and Muslims. You are free to post what you want, but please do so with a kinder peaceful tone and treatment. It's not wise to waste the effort of our brothers and sisters who struggle to clear the many misconceptions about Islam and Muslims.
 
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I believe what sister muslimah means that as children of Adam, we will always sin. Hence, we are all sinners. But as the Prophet :saws: said, the all children of Adam are sinners and the best of sinners are the ones who repent constantly.

It is narrated in a hadith that Sayyidina Rasulullah (Salallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:
"Every son of Adam is a sinner, and the best of sinners are those who repent constantly".
- Ibn Majah, Tirmizi, Darimi (p. 760 Al Hadis, Vol. 3 Fazul Karim)

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Even still that is derailing the thread, when clearly I have mentioned on post 1 that it is about people who are NOT repenting.
 
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