Sisters, a few questions about hijab

[nature]

Can you both give me any daleel(from quran and sunnah) that says that 'feet MUST be covered during prayer or your prayer's invalid?'

And what exactly is 'fiqh?'

I wana know too, ive never ever seen anyone covering their feet whilst praying ? or heard of this ?? praying in a skirt isnt practical..

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

praying in a skirt isnt practical..

Good point, sister. I had to learn this the hard way ;D

 

[Ramadhan]

I wana know too, ive never ever seen anyone covering their feet whilst praying ? or heard of this ?? praying in a skirt isnt practical..

not strictly "skirt", but very loose "skirt"-like garment to cover your feet.
In Indonesia, muslimah normally bring in their bag an outer garment called "mukena" which they wear when perform shalah. The fabric is light and normally can be folded up neatly in a small purse.
mukena consists of top and bottom. The bottom part is that very loose "skirt"-like cloth.

These examples are more elaborate "mukena", but the mukena that most women here wear when doing daily shalah are very simple white two-piece cloth without any embroiderment or embellishment. and they are very easy to wear and very practical, because they are fastened with elastic bands.

 

[Ramadhan]

^ from the images, you'll have some idea that by wearing something like mukena, you won't have any worry from fear of showing your arms or legs or feet while praying and doing rukoo' or sujood, therefore you can concentrate better on your shalah.
And because they are only worn for shalah, they are always clean and free from najis. That's another point for worry-free shalah.

 

[nature]

not strictly "skirt", but very loose "skirt"-like garment to cover your feet.
In Indonesia, muslimah normally bring in their bag an outer garment called "mukena" which they wear when perform shalah. The fabric is light and normally can be folded up neatly in a small purse.mukena consists of top and bottom. The bottom part is that very loose "skirt"-like cloth.

These examples are more elaborate "mukena", but the mukena that most women here wear when doing daily shalah are very simple white two-piece cloth with embroiderment or embellishment. and they are very easy to wear very practical, because they fastened with elastic bands.

ok there pretty,jzk, but still its actually difficult to pray in a skirt of any kind, esp one thats really long, even if it is loose, if its covering the feet such as the ones in the picture, then its actually really difficult to repeatedly stand up wen praying salah, cos of the material getting caught in footing. maybe sisters can explain better.

If the feet are uncovered, is salah invalid then ?? do men have to cover their feet also ?

Good point, sister. I had to learn this the hard way

glad i aint the only 1. maybe its justs practice ? dunno

 

[Ramadhan]

ok there pretty,jzk, but still its actually difficult to pray in a skirt of any kind, esp one thats really long, even if it is loose, if its covering the feet such as the ones in the picture, then its actually really difficult to repeatedly stand up wen praying salah, cos of the material getting caught in footing. maybe sisters can explain better.

Actually the bottom of the mukena is very wide, it's almost like a tent.
Your feet don't actually step on it.
all muslimah in Indonesia (they should number in around 100 millions) have used it for hundreds of years maybe. And I have not heard any complaint whatsoever about wearing mukena in shalah, not from my female family relatives etc. And I have lead shalah so many times for the female members of my family including my mother, and I haven't heard them complained or seen their difficulties re: mukena.
I wished there was a Indonesian muslimah on this forum who can explain it.

If the feet are uncovered, is salah invalid then ?? do men have to cover their feet also ?

As far as I know, the only parts of women that is allowed/should be uncovered during shalah is the face and hands/palms. Feet should be covered.

Men's feet are not part of awrah. In fact, Rasulullah SAW forbid his companions who wore their jubah too long that they covered ankles. As soon as Rasulullah SAW instructed this, the shahaba (ra) all cut off the bottom of their long jubah so they wouldn't cover their ankles.
Men's awrah is between navels to knees.

 

[nature]

Actually the bottom of the mukena is very wide, it's almost like a tent.
Your feet don't actually step on it. all muslimah in Indonesia (they should number in around 100 millions) have used it for hundreds of years maybe. And I have not heard any complaint whatsoever about wearing mukena in shalah, not from my female family relatives etc. And I have lead shalah so many times for the female members of my family including my mother, and I haven't heard them complained or seen their difficulties re: mukena. I wished there was a Indonesian muslimah on this forum who can explain it.

I aint complaining, just merely stating its difficult in a skirt i dont wear mukena so i wudnt complain about it wud i ? maybe if men wore skirts, then they'd understand thats it makes salah difficult ? as for the mukena if its differnt from a skirt, then i guess it wud be easier..but like i sed b4 ive never heard this covering feet rule...& i dont know anyone that does cover their feet.

:wa:

 

[Ramadhan]

Here's some basic info on shalah:

http://www.sunna.info/prayer/TheBasicsoftheMuslimsPrayer.php


Also, here's the hadith that I've found about uncovering ankle for men, and covering the feet for women:
Women should have their clothes below their feet, while men have it above their ankles. It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever allows his garment to drag out of pride, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Resurrection.” Umm Salamah said: “What should women do with their hems?” He said: “Lower it a handspan.” She said: “Then their feet will show.” He said: “Let them lower it a cubit, but no more than that.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1731; al-Nasaa’i, 5336; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

 

[Ramadhan]

I aint complaining, just merely stating its difficult in a skirt i dont wear mukena so i wudnt complain about it wud i ? maybe if men wore skirts, then they'd understand thats it makes salah difficult ? as for the mukena if its differnt from a skirt, then i guess it wud be easier..but like i sed b4 ive never heard this covering feet rule...& i dont know anyone that does cover their feet.

:wa:

I understand your difficulty about wearing skirt for shalah, sister. That's why I didn't say that it is easy. I only said that I have never heard any Indonesian muslimah complaining about mukena. Surely if it were difficult, Because all Indonesian women are wearing mukena when performing shalah, I would have heard at least once in my life? But I have not.
That's all, I don't claim that is either difficult or easy. I just assumed it is easy since there has been never any complaint.

Another possibility is:
maybe it is actually difficult to pray in mukena in the beginning, but since most indonesian muslimah have prayed in mukena for many years since they were children, then they got used to it? All my nieces started to join shalah jemaah at home when they were 4 or 5 yo. So, a lot of practice there

 

[SFatima]

ok there pretty,jzk, but still its actually difficult to pray in a skirt of any kind, esp one thats really long, even if it is loose, if its covering the feet such as the ones in the picture, then its actually really difficult to repeatedly stand up wen praying salah, cos of the material getting caught in footing. maybe sisters can explain better.

If the feet are uncovered, is salah invalid then ?? do men have to cover their feet also ?

Salamo alaikum sister, just came across this thread

Yes it is difficult praying in a long skirt even if it is loose, I understand what you're talking about. Do not worry, as long as you're at home you can wear loose trousers and a long shirt above them, which should atleast reach till the kness and its even better if it covers the knees. And your loose pants/trousers whichever, must be long enough to cover your ankles during the salah, in a way that when you bend and all, it still doesn't expose the ankles, so it should hang below the ankles a few more inches to prevent it from rising when you bend.

There is no compulsion on covering the whole feet during the salah, there is no hadith regarding covering the whole feet during salah. However when women go out, it is recommended to them to wear shoes/socks that cover most of their feet and do not exhibit the beauty of their feet or draw any un-necessary attention. And it is also not allowed for them to show ankles when they are in strange company.

So no ankles in salah and outside.
As for garments you might have to choose or get stitched some for you which make it easier for you to pray, i know its pretty annoying when you trip during your salah when the loose cloth is caught beneath your feet. As long as what you are wearing covers you up , is comfortable for you for salah it is ok. But a way to prevent the cloth becoming caught, is by holding it up a little before you go for sajdah, it doesnt get stuck then, but I'm not too sure if that action is allowed during salah, wonder how the Arab men manage it, they wear long robes too, hope if anyone arab is here he/she can guide us IA : )

 

[peace_maker]

^Brother Ramadhan, I've noticed you write 'shalah' everywhere. It's 'salah' and it's even pronounced that way. (in case u dint kno)

 

[ardianto]

^Brother Ramadhan, I've noticed you write 'shalah' everywhere. It's 'salah' and it's even pronounced that way. (in case u dint kno)

That's Indonesian custom. In Indonesia we write "sholat/shalat" for "salah".

FYI, in Indonesian language "salah" means "wrong".

 

[Ramadhan]

^Brother Ramadhan, I've noticed you write 'shalah' everywhere. It's 'salah' and it's even pronounced that way. (in case u dint kno)

In Bahasa Indonesia, it is written as "shalah", but I know how to pronounce/say it in arabic. Usually we write it as "sholat", but I got criticized once before, that I wrote like the jews. Well, it was the first time I ever knew that jews wrote sholat. and since then, to avoid confusion/fitna etc., I decided to change it to "shalah", because I cannot write it as "salah" as br. ardianto has explained, "salah" in bahasa indonesia mean "wrong" or "mistake" and my brain cannot reconcile "shalah" with "mistake". But it seems I am wrong again.
Just because I transliterate differently from arabic to latin does not mean I pronounce/say it wrongly. Remember, Indonesian tongue and our understanding of latin alphabets may be different than yours. For you, "shaad" may be should be written as "sa", for us Indonesians, we write it as "shod". (btw, how do we type arabic in this forum?)
Oh here it is: صلاة


Oh well, it seems I can't even write things right.

 

[nature]

I understand your difficulty about wearing skirt for shalah, sister. That's why I didn't say that it is easy. I only said that I have never heard any Indonesian muslimah complaining about mukena. Surely if it were difficult, Because all Indonesian women are wearing mukena when performing shalah, I would have heard at least once in my life? But I have not.
That's all, I don't claim that is either difficult or easy. I just assumed it is easy since there has been never any complaint.

Another possibility is:
maybe it is actually difficult to pray in mukena in the beginning, but since most indonesian muslimah have prayed in mukena for many years since they were children, then they got used to it? All my nieces started to join shalah jemaah at home when they were 4 or 5 yo. So, a lot of practice there

jazakhallah for the link, in UK, ive never seen anyone wearing a mukena, but i'll look into it at some point, & i guess it takes a lot of practice.

Salamo alaikum sister, just came across this thread Yes it is difficult praying in a long skirt even if it is loose, I understand what you're talking about. Do not worry, as long as you're at home you can wear loose trousers and a long shirt above them, which should atleast reach till the kness and its even better if it covers the knees. And your loose pants/trousers whichever, must be long enough to cover your ankles during the salah, in a way that when you bend and all, it still doesn't expose the ankles, so it should hang below the ankles a few more inches to prevent it from rising when you bend. There is no compulsion on covering the whole feet during the salah, there is no hadith regarding covering the whole feet during salah. However when women go out, it is recommended to them to wear shoes/socks that cover most of their feet and do not exhibit the beauty of their feet or draw any un-necessary attention. And it is also not allowed for them to show ankles when they are in strange company. So no ankles in salah and outside. As for garments you might have to choose or get stitched some for you which make it easier for you to pray, i know its pretty annoying when you trip during your salah when the loose cloth is caught beneath your feet. As long as what you are wearing covers you up , is comfortable for you for salah it is ok. But a way to prevent the cloth becoming caught, is by holding it up a little before you go for sajdah, it doesnt get stuck then, but I'm not too sure if that action is allowed during salah, wonder how the Arab men manage it, they wear long robes too, hope if anyone arab is here he/she can guide us IA : )

Jzk sis, im not sure if holding onto the skirt would be appropriate during salah, so its probably easier to just wear trousers/shirt, but yeh maybe its all just down to practice, and getting loose fitting garments that avoid trips/falls.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

..make sure u have your feet covered during prayer..wear socks..because it is not valid if feet not covered.


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do all Madhabs agree on it ?

 

[ardianto]

Salaam
do all Madhabs agree on it ?

Shafi'i madhab Ulama in my place never order women to wear socks in salah, and also never forbid women salah without socks.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

Shafi'i madhab Ulama in my place never order women to wear socks in salah, and also never forbid women salah without socks.

thanks for sharing . I browsed and got it.

Q: Do women have to cover their feet during salah?
A:

According to the Hanafi school it is not obligatory for a woman to cover her feet during Salah as the feet are excluded from being part of the Aura.

Mufti Shafiq Jakhura
Iftaa Department, Darul Ihsan Islamic Services Centre

I concur with the answer:
Mufti Zubair Bayat​

Ameer, Darul Ihsan Islamic Services Centre​

http://www.darulihsan.com/index.php...=category&id=170:women&layout=blog&Itemid=174

 

[Starrynight]

Salaam



thanks for sharing . I browsed and got it.

Q: Do women have to cover their feet during salah?
A:

According to the Hanafi school it is not obligatory for a woman to cover her feet during Salah as the feet are excluded from being part of the Aura.

Mufti Shafiq Jakhura
Iftaa Department, Darul Ihsan Islamic Services Centre

I concur with the answer:
Mufti Zubair Bayat​

Ameer, Darul Ihsan Islamic Services Centre​

http://www.darulihsan.com/index.php...=category&id=170:women&layout=blog&Itemid=174

What do they mean by Aura?

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

Salaam sister,

I believe "aura" means "nakedness." A woman's aura is the parts of her that must be covered, which is the whole body excepting the hands and face.

Peace

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

What do they mean by Aura?

Question


Please explain this Ahadith I found on islam-qa.com The issue of Isbaal applies to women just as much as it applies to men. This is indicated by the Hadith of Ibn 'Umar

who said: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'Whoever trails his garment on the ground out of pride, Allah will not look at him.' Umm Salamah said: 'O Messenger of Allah, what should women do with their hems?' He said, 'Let them go down a handspan.'



She asked, 'What if their feet show?' He said, 'Let them lengthen it by a cubit, but no more.' (al-Nisaa'i, Kitaab al-Zeenah, Baab Dhuyool al-Nisaa'). What is the meaning of hems?


Answer


Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the World; and may His blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions.

There is difference between al-Isbaal (lowering a dress to be under one's ankle) ruling for a man and a woman. As for man, it is prohibited to let his dress down to exceed his ankles. A woman is obliged to cover her two feet since they are an Aura (a part of body, which should be concealed from seeing by alien men).




Imam Ibn Hajar said: 'As a result, it is desirable for men to shorten their dresses to the mid-part of legs; otherwise, they are allowed to make their dresses not exceed their ankles. As for women, it is desirable for them to wear a dress that is a hand span longer than men; otherwise, they are allowed to have a dress that is one Ziraa (a measure equals 46,2 cm.) longer than men.




As for what you called, "Dhuyool al-Nisaa: trains of women gowns", this word means what a woman whose dress is trailing on the floor.




Al-Fairozabadi in his book al-Qamoos said: 'al-Zail means the lower part and the end of everything, and the part of a dress which one trails along on the floor'.




Allah knows best.


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=83793