Six to be sentenced for terrorism offences

[snakelegs]

:salamext:

^ Some Muslims do exist like that (even if its a minority).

This is why it is up to the rest of the Muslims to convey the right message of Islaam

true say!

 

[Muezzin]

The men called on people to fight British and American forces in Iraq and to donate money to fund terrorism.

Let's deconstruct and view this through the skewed lens of my personal morality.

The men called on people to fight British and American forces in Iraq

Okay. The fact that it's British and American forces rather than civilians is, well, excusable. War and all that. The fact that the speeches were being given in Britain, essentially encouraging the listeners to become traitors? Less so. A lot less so.

...and to donate money to fund terrorism.

Okay. No-no. I define terrorism as the reckless or deliberate killing of civilians, which I don't justify, and don't think should be justified or invoked, whoever the person responsible or whatever the circumstances.

 

[- Qatada -]

My statement was general in meaning, and no - i don't support that innocents should be killed.


But what i do believe is that any form of collecting money in support of innocent Muslims, such as Palestine, Bosnia etc. it is automatically counted as something suspicious, and that's what i really find sad. (that's what i meant in my first post without going into detail.)

 

[snakelegs]

My statement was general in meaning, and no - i don't support that innocents should be killed.


But what i do believe is that any form of collecting money in support of innocent Muslims, such as Palestine, Bosnia etc. it is automatically counted as something suspicious, and that's what i really find sad. (that's what i meant in my first post without going into detail.)

understood.

 

[Fishman]

But what i do believe is that any form of collecting money in support of innocent Muslims, such as Palestine, Bosnia etc. it is automatically counted as something suspicious, and that's what i really find sad. (that's what i meant in my first post without going into detail.)

I don't see what's wrong with collecting charity money to help people either. But these people were not collecting charity money, they were collecting money to give to millitant groups and terrorists, the kind who set up roadside bombs and kill policemen and Iraqi army soldiers and ordinary people shopping. they are also fighting against Britian, which makes collecting money for them treason, a capital offense in some circumstances.

 

[snakelegs]

i don't know about this specific case - was it proven that the money was going for terrorist causes, as opposed to humanitarian causes?
i do think sometimes people are afraid to give money now to causes like helping the palestinian children, etc.

 

[Amadeus85]

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Okay. The fact that it's British and American forces rather than civilians is, well, excusable. War and all that. The fact that the speeches were being given in Britain, essentially encouraging the listeners to become traitors? Less so. A lot less so.

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Muezzin,didnt you notice the fact that this person called in England to fight with english soldiers. I mean, seriously, which normal country would tolerate such things.

 

[barney]

yeh it also gets me angry that the safety of palestinians and iraqis and afghanis isnt important...

Cripes. this thread is so due to head down the pan.
Simply take a look at who is responsible for deaths in Afganistan and Iraq. Its so simple to do. Good luck.

Yup, six people intent of slaughtering civilains in this country, for no purpose, for no reason.
Lets see who excuses and jumps to the defence of butchers. Lets see who condems wanton murder in the name of politics and religion.

If guilty, I would say bang em up for life. Preferably with swimsuit wearing gaurds.

 

[barney]

Let's deconstruct and view this through the skewed lens of my personal morality.


Okay. The fact that it's British and American forces rather than civilians is, well, excusable. War and all that. The fact that the speeches were being given in Britain, essentially encouraging the listeners to become traitors? Less so. A lot less so.


Okay. No-no. I define terrorism as the reckless or deliberate killing of civilians, which I don't justify, and don't think should be justified or invoked, whoever the person responsible or whatever the circumstances.

Spot on. The army takes its chances. It does its job trying to protect the civilains from the suicide market butchers, and the extremists cause death where they can find it at a rate of 70 muslims to each Kuffar.

They still manage to keep this facade of respectability because. Hey ...they blew up the marketplace killing 120 Muslims and wounding 200 muslims, but at least theyre not Kuffar. (Thats the Kuffar thats trying to kill the gunmen by the way)

 

[mediadave]

terrorism is a synonym for anything in support of muslims.. its sad.

I hope you said that without realising what it is that he's said:

He visited Pakistan in 2001, before the September 11 attacks, as part of Al-Muhajiroun; he claims he went there to give a series of lectures. He also claimed to have attended terror training camps in Afghanistan.[4][5]

He described the 7/7 suicide bombers in London as "completely praiseworthy".[7]

On the eve of the anniversary of the 7/7 attacks in London, he was filmed preaching to a group of Muslims in Birmingham (UK) mocking and laughing at the victims of 9/11 and threatening further terror attacks in the UK.[8]

He has openly stated that he wishes to die as a suicide bomber.[9]

On 20 September 2006, Abu Izadeen and Anjem Choudary disrupted Home Secretary John Reid's first public meeting with Muslims since his appointment. He called Reid an "enemy" of Islam.[10]. John Humphrys interviewed Izzadeen on the 22 September 2006 edition of BBC Radio 4's Today programme. In a heated discussion Abu Izadeen stated that his aim was for the UK to become an Islamic state and that this should be achieved without following the democratic process.[11]

In early February 2007, ITV broadcast a video made in the summer of 2004 that was discovered on a password-protected website by Glen Jenvey. In the video Abu Izadeen told his audience in Regents Park Mosque, to murder British and American Muslim soldiers:

"Whoever allies himself with the Kaffirs against the believers - he is one of them. So those so-called enemies to Allah who join the British Government - 'cos remember the British Government, my dear Muslim brothers, are crusaders... crusaders come to kill and rape Muslims. Whoever joins them - he who joins the British Army, the American Army, he is a mortal kaffir and his only hukum (punishment) is for his head to be removed. Indeed, whoever changes his deen (religious way of life); kill him."[12][13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Izzadeen

 

[Muezzin]

Muezzin,didnt you notice the fact that this person called in England to fight with english soldiers.

I did. He's basically telling them to become traitors.

I mean, seriously, which normal country would tolerate such things.

There's no shrug smiley, so just imagine me shrugging.