Something I was Always Curious About

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Iconoclast said:
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One hundred and twenty four Thousand ( 124000 ) rasol/ambiya/prophets /messengers were sent b4 the last Prophet SAW
32 are mentioned in the quran.and what is described in hadith al qdusi ( Agreed upon my great mufsarin ) of the Prophet SAW should be more than enough for us the believers
"O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything." (Surah Al Ahzab: 40)

So lets not wander into weak dalils that weakens the faith.

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Correct me if I am wrong: Weren't the number of rusl (messengers) far less than the number of anbiyya (prophets) ?

very true, but this topic still leads me to be curious like why in some countries there were no muslims, christians or jews yet there were supposively prophets everywhere? for example look at indigenous tribes (people) of the americas (before european invasion of course)? any comments on this? not bad people at all but not belonging to any of the monotheists religions
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My hunch is that those tribal people didnt have their history properly documented. And even if they did, they ended up worshipping the prophets. Think about this, if Bani Israel was sent numerous prophets and YET they didnt worship the one God, how could have the tribal people worshipped One God?

And to answer your question about America, this might be an interesting read: http://www.whyislam.org/877/Heritage/NativeMuslims.asp
 
Ok but not all tribal people worship God to this day so this is invalid to me especially that personally know many people that are Native american, Native south and central American etc, and i am part Honduran and my family traced my great grandfather back to pure indigenous without europeans blood, i think they would know more about their ancestors that any of us. Who knows what they really believed but they lived differently. I read that story a long time ago and know that many Cherokee Indians are Muslim but that doesnt go for the hundreds of other types living in the Americas.
 
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as for the tribal ppl we MUSLIMS will be ASKED MY ALLAH where were we why didn't we spread the word? thats why the is a thing called dawa which equires Taqwa and we Muslims better wake up
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I wonder how far your family roots could be traced back. Its a fact in Islam that Muhammed(SAW) was the Final messenger. So if that is the case then you should perhaps trace back to at least 1500 years (and could well be over 2000 years and even more), and I highly suspect if we have such historical evidence/documentation.
 
Its fine if you all want to doubt what i know, find happyness on picking at me for having a very ethnically mixed family. I think i need to leave this forum for a while, some of you are pathetic and your arguments are week. You get an FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
 
I don't know for what reason your taking this thread personal.

My argument was that things change over a period of time and people hardly ever notice it. And unless it is documented well, we would never know what happened in history. Bible would be a great example. How many times have the words of bible been changed in a span of 2000 yrs?

Islamic belief is that Jesus(as) preached tauheed and yet we see so many denominations of christianity claiming that Jesus is God. So it only took around 1700 years to totally change whatever Jesus(as) preached. If this is what we see from history, then its very possible that even if prophets were sent to different nations (be it america, australia or some remote island), people started worshipping the prophets themselves in course of time.
 
ABWAN said:
I wonder how far your family roots could be traced back. Its a fact in Islam that
Muhammed​
(SAW) was the Final messenger. So if that is the case then you should perhaps trace back to at least 1500 years (and could well be over 2000 years and even more), and I highly suspect if we have such historical evidence/documentation.
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salasilahmuhammad.htm

http://www.themuslimwoman.com/salasilahmuhammad.htm

visit here
 
Im taking it personal for obvious reasons it bothers me the way some Muslims are especially coming from a very mixed family i take it personal because i dont like people saying my relatives are in hell for living tribal, go somewhere else with that bs.
 
Crystal4Peace said:
Im taking it personal for obvious reasons it bothers me the way some Muslims are especially coming from a very mixed family i take it personal because i dont like people saying my relatives are in hell for living tribal, go somewhere else with that bs.
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So u want muslims to cheer about the fact that they are trbals/non muslims with a muslim around who takes a sweet pill saying oh well see u heaven and we shouls lie to comfort u and make u happy ?
 
Crystal4Peace said:
Im taking it personal for obvious reasons it bothers me the way some Muslims are especially coming from a very mixed family i take it personal because i dont like people saying my relatives are in hell for living tribal, go somewhere else with that bs.
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If you feel so much about your relatives, imagine how much prophet(saw) would have felt about his dearly uncle. Yet, could he do anything at all?

Even if an entire family is a muslim family, a father can do nothing if his son isnt practising islam. Each person is on his own, no matter how much you love someone and ABOVE ALL its Allah's mercy and nothing else.
 
searchingsoul said:
Maybe these prophets started other world religions and they should actually be embraced by all.
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What is the need to start new religions if the ONE AND ONLY message is to worship the one God and no one else?
 
Crystal4Peace said:
i really take offense to this cause now u are just mocking me and basically insulting people who lived different lives, i hope u feel great, do me a favor and drop this please, oh better yet i will have my acoount disabled on request, go play with each other for all i care, and maybe ur the one who has taking many pills cause u sure cant think logically +o( +o( +o( +o(
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Sister how old are you?!?! Also, one can trace their roots from $99.95 through a project that has been publicized on National Geographic Channel.
 
i think some native american religions were/are monotheistic.
also, islam was born among tribal people. there's nothing negative about the word "tribal"
 
snakelegs said:
i think some native american religions were/are monotheistic.
also, islam was born among tribal people. there's nothing negative about the word "tribal"
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Actually, during my university years, I have to observe a missionary work among Aborigines in the jungle (with millions of leeches - I've got at least 80 bites). They believe in one supreme God, angels and Satans. But if they want to pray for God it must through the angels (giving offering - usually wild boars)
 
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snakelegs said:
with a name like john smith, how could he be a prophet? it just wouldn't work.
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John Smith lived after Muhammad (pbuh), so he can't be a prophet.

really take offense to this cause now u are just mocking me and basically insulting people who lived different lives, i hope u feel great, do me a favor and drop this please, oh better yet i will have my acoount disabled on request, go play with each other for all i care, and maybe ur the one who has taking many pills cause u sure cant think logically
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If someone isn't a Muslim then they ain't going to paradise, simple as that. And I'm the only Muslim in my family, so don't you go thinking I'm being insensitive.
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Fishman said:
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John Smith lived after Muhammad (pbuh), so he can't be a prophet.


If someone isn't a Muslim then they ain't going to paradise, simple as that. And I'm the only Muslim in my family, so don't you go thinking I'm being insensitive.
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Salam, it is improper for you to suggest who is and who isn't going to Jannah- only Allah swt knows. :heated:
 
ABWAN said:
Besides the prophets/messengers mentioned in the Quran were sent to the children of Israel, which happens to be in the middle east.

As a side note, I think there are 26 names mentioned in the Quran including Ezra. Of them I have read that Ezra and Luqman were not prophets as such.. Allahu Alam
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No they weren't, I've read somewhere that Luqman was an Arab-speaking Black man
 
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why are we going on and on in this thread when allah and his messeger pbuh has asked us to abstian from what we are not sure about

(Some) say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth,- doubtfully guessing at the unknown; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say thou: "My Lord knoweth best their number; It is but few that know their (real case)." Enter not, therefore, into controversies concerning them, except on a matter that is clear, nor consult any of them about (the affair of) the Sleepers.
018.022 <-- Surah Al Kahf ( the cave )

Abu Muhammad al-Hasan ibn Ali b. Abu Talib said : I preserved the following words from Rasulullah saw : "Leave what you have doubt about for that you have no doubt about; for it is truth that brings peace of mind and it is falsehood that brings doubt". ( Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Nasa'i )

Nu'man b. Bashir r.a. said that Rasulullah s.a.w said : "What is lawful is clear and what is unlawful is (also) clear. But between the two are doubtful matters of which many people do not know. He who protects himself from doubtful matters clears himself in regard to his faith and honour. But he who falls into doubtful matters is like a shepherd who grazes (his sheep) around a sanctuary, and (liable) to graze therein. Surely, every King has a sanctuary. Surely, the sanctuary of Allah swt is his prohibitions. Surely, in the body is a piece of flesh, and if it is sound, the whole body is sound; and if it is damaged, the body is deseased. Surely, it is the heart. ( Bukhari, Muslim )

Allah Knows Best
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