Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Assalamualaikum wr.wb, Bro @Scimitar , I'm sorry about this out of topic question. Where can I learn about this methodology of muslims in golden era?
Thank you. Wassalamualaikum.wr.wb.

Walakum salaam Kiran29.

I'm thinking of making a thread about it this week in sha Allah, I hope you check back this week to see it.

For now though, I will say this as you may find it inspiring.

The golden age greats, were not usually scholars - but regular joe public like you and I. Regular Muslims who had interests in Science, Math, Astronomy, Physics, Medicine etc etc etc - and they had the Qur'an as their primary foundation and inference - this was it.

Other than that, the methods were all theirs :)

If you check out how Al Haythm took Ptolemy's shirk model of the universe and corrected it with Islamic inference of monotheism, and then find how this also corrected the mathematics, you will see something unbelievably subtle yet mindblowing - without Qur'an as prime foundation and inference, there is NO TRUTH you can believe. With Qur'an as prime foundation and inference - nothing is impossible to understand. Everything becomes possible.

Science is a rebellious teenager trying to fight her older brother, Islam. Once science grows up, she will learn to walk behind her elder brother with respect and humility.

Scimi
 
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You accuse him of not searching further and having settled at his own conclusion as being the truth (which I agree with you), yet you do the same.by having a firm believe that yajuj and majuj have not being released. There are hints one could say they have been released so staying firm on "no they have not been released" or staying firm on "they have been released" are both wrong approaches if you ask me. As in both cases there is no FIRM conclusions either one is the absolute truth..so don't treat it as absolute conclusion..

It is the belief of the scholars and the jammah that they have not been released, rather they will be released after Esa (a.s.) will come. They are one of the major sins of the Hour. This is an Islamic fact. The fact people do not know this nor believe it and are looking at some superficial hints and trying to use their finite little brains to "think" and assume they know it is concerning. I will not waste my time trying to convince others of this if they think they are intellectually superior while willfully ignorant.
 
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It is the belief of the scholars and the jammah that they have not been released, rather they will be released after Esa (a.s.) will come. They are one of the major sins of the Hour. This is an Islamic fact. The fact people do not know this nor believe it and are looking at some superficial hints and trying to use their finite little brains to "think" and assume they know it is concerning. I will not waste my time trying to convince others of this if they think they are intellectually superior while willfully ignorant.

Well to be honest, what i find very strange is that i see very few scholars that dig in the Islamic Eschatology. I only know of English speaking scholar Sheikh Imran Hossein. I agree with some of his points and disagree with other points of his. However that is about that, i am not sure if you know of others even non-English speakers who dig in to this subject?
 
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Well to be honest, what i find very strange is that i see very few scholars that dig in the Islamic Eschatology. I only know of English speaking scholar Sheikh Imran Hossein. I agree with some of his points and disagree with other points of his. However that is about that, i am not sure if you know of others even non-English speakers who dig in to this subject?

I've heard all the lectures of imran regarding this topic and i've read more authentic material from more reliable scholars and equally listened to other sheikhs and scholars. I do not think Imran is that reliable, he quotes weak narrations and some of the stuff he stated contradicted what Islam says. So I don't take from him when more authentic information is available else where. Go to islamqa.com or islamweb.net or other similar sites, you will find more reliable information there.

https://islamqa.info/en/2281 - see (4) Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj (Gog and Magog)
https://library.islamweb.net/en/article/135817/the-signs-of-the-hour

Listen to Mufti menk or green or other similar speakers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTxZLB7qTS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nACVwsFhOZ0
 
Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Walakum salaam Kiran29.

I'm thinking of making a thread about it this week in sha Allah, I hope you check back this week to see it.

For now though, I will say this as you may find it inspiring.

The golden age greats, were not usually scholars - but regular joe public like you and I. Regular Muslims who had interests in Science, Math, Astronomy, Physics, Medicine etc etc etc - and they had the Qur'an as their primary foundation and inference - this was it.

Other than that, the methods were all theirs :)

If you check out how Al Haythm took Ptolemy's shirk model of the universe and corrected it with Islamic inference of monotheism, and then find how this also corrected the mathematics, you will see something unbelievably subtle yet mindblowing - without Qur'an as prime foundation and inference, there is NO TRUTH you can believe. With Qur'an as prime foundation and inference - nothing is impossible to understand. Everything becomes possible.

Science is a rebellious teenager trying to fight her older brother, Islam. Once science grows up, she will learn to walk behind her elder brother with respect and humility.

Scimi
Thank you for your reply brother, May Allah guides all of us, makes us easy to learn the Qur'an by our hearts, so we won't go astray. Ameen.
 
Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Minor update: Syria's Biggest Dam Partially Collapses Due to SDF-Daesh Fight Near Raqqa

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201703261051982213-tabqa-dam-collapse-raqqa-sdf-daesh/

On the other hand there are claims that there isn't any damage to the dam.
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/846132568042889216

However again ISIS has shown photos of the control room.
https://twitter.com/CT_operative/status/846104071882883073

I am no expert on how a dam works. As far as i know by logic, is that the gates are being closed and opened to let the water go through. Which for example if the amount of water that comes in is more than usually, the gates would be opened further to let more water out. If these pictures of ISIS are legit, one could say either two things gonna happen.

By controls they are not able to open or close gates. Maybe manually? Which i guess they must have some secondary backup (manual)-controls to still be able to open and close the gates or else it would be a very poor job in constructing such a dam as it might not be sort of fail-proof.

However the winter is just over and the amount of snow melting i guess is also a fact. So somebody has to control those gates either by those controls (if they are damaged) than manually doing it. Allah knows best.
 
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It would be great if someone could make a thread purely discussing the Minor and Major signs if I haven't already skipped one that exists already (please let me know). Its a valuable topic for all muslims and non-muslims.
 
Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

I now and then re-read the sings of the end times and often you will notice something that you have not noticed it before.

What i noticed was in this hadith.
=======Hadith===================
"I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: 'The Hour will not begin until the sun rises from the west (ie the place of its setting). When it rises, the people will see it, and everyone on (earth) will believe, but that will be at a time when faith will not benefit anyone who did not believe before. ' "

Source used: https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/143
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I myself for a time have divided people not according to religion, but rather to "honest" and "dishonest" people. With that i said i have trust in my Rab that He will save his honest servants from the hell fire.

From those honest and dishonest people why they do not believe is according to my understanding let's say because of two things...

- Dishonest person - He sees and acknowledges everything that refers to Islam but out of pride/arrogance/denial or whatever rejects Islam.
- Honest person - he is not really busy with religion at all. Even if you would rather want to start a discussion or a talk about discussion it is as if you bother that individual. When something occurs in his/her life then they start pondering and investigating and when seeing the truth, they accept it. But till then they don't.

I must correct myself on that. Rasullah(saws) says "and everyone on (earth) will believe, but that will be at a time when faith will not benefit anyone who did not believe before. '"

The sun rising from the west is one of the major signs. Besides the major signs there are the lesser/minor signs. According to our fitrah we must already be disturbed by lesser/minor signs. What do i mean with this? When you notice somebody being a liar your whole inner soul rejects this bad deed questions the state of the world we are in. When you see men and women doing things that your fitrah usually rejects yet not doing or saying anything. When you see injustice but do not stand up against injustice with AT LEAST your heart. All these things are already sort of a initiation of your fitrah wanting to get away from it so to say.

To take myself as an example. I in the past saw things and witnessed things that were going against logic. Women now a days if you treat them like a bag of garbage they like you (bad boy type), but if you respect them and acknowledge them and be good to them they despise you (good guy). When one experiences a broken heart you NEVER want to experience that ever again. Yet people just go from one boyfriend/girlfriend to another. People deceiving other people or falsely accused and nobody saying anything. When somebody hurt, instead of somebody calling a ambulance or trying to help, everybody is looking like tourist to capture the gruesome event in their brain..but that individual keeps suffering. In that time i rather became all depressed and wanted to engage less in society. Because i knew for myself if i engaged with them i would become like them in all those things and i KNEW my desires would overpower me..but i just rejected it.

When these things despite you being a honest person you do not question at least in your thoughts, then something is wrong with you. In the past as an atheist i thought men and women could be friends, but a logical argument proved to me that i was wrong. In the past i didn't really pay any attention of women being dressed but naked..i rather saw that as something normal. However with so many things, despite the things that i "found" normal other things did made me question and later on even the things i found "normal" i started to question. After that off course your path to research is opened and if honestly looking Allah will also open your way to Islam.

Now if those people still with the minor signs do not feel anything..not even 1 action or deed being off and start questioning things..then one is lost you could say. You being honest or dishonest. With the major signs coming they will come one after another very fast. When one believes before one can expand his/her knowledge and STRENGTHEN their imaan. When dajjal arrives, one's imaan has been building up for some time so even even if he comes and you must choose, one who has imaan despite what he sees, ..that is the moment of "blind believe" in Allah and we ONLY seeing Allah after our death. No more logic, rationality or reason. The people who THEN believe in God, that is too late for them. As they cannot strengthen their imaan. I remember when i just reverted back to Islam, i still had many questions..from skull and bones that were found to accusations about Islam. So having questions is rather satisfying the mind (logic, rationality and reason). With that my imaan became stronger that i am on the right path. However if one believes and you still have some questions and dajjal arrives he gives you VERY logical, rational and reasonable answers that you even see with your own eyes.

"Have you not considered the one who argued with Abraham about his Lord [merely] because Allah had given him kingship? When Abraham said, "My Lord is the one who gives life and causes death," he said, "I give life and cause death." Abraham said, "Indeed, Allah brings up the sun from the east, so bring it up from the west." So the disbeliever was overwhelmed [by astonishment], and Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people." Qur'an 2:258

If dajjal does exactly those signs as we know he will cut a man in to two and make him whole again. The sun as one of the major signs will come up from the west and he probably will be using that event as if he has done that or Allah giving him the ability to do that so that everybody that has no imaan..be misguided. On the Day of Judgement people having NO argument..as they have followed dajjal and committed shirk..the ONLY sin Allah does NOT forgive. Indeed we are our own enemies. Truth is clear from falsehood.
 

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