Source of qur'an ???

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How can my Brother who has so much Light be so blind?
That's my biggest question of today.

I just copied this from a post below:

Anyone reading Qur'an sees the many contradictions and inconsistencies.

The first one I see is:
Allah says he sent the prophets and had the Bible written.
But, if you compare him with the God of the Bible, it is obvious that he is not the God of the Bible.

The second one I see is:
Qur'an praises the Bible in MANY different ways, but it teaches against its major doctrines.
 
Dr. Habib Khan said:
How can my Brother who has so much Light be so blind?
That's my biggest question of today.

I just copied this from a post below:

Anyone reading Qur'an sees the many contradictions and inconsistencies.

The first one I see is:
Allah says he sent the prophets and had the Bible written.
But, if you compare him with the God of the Bible, it is obvious that he is not the God of the Bible.

The second one I see is:
Qur'an praises the Bible in MANY different ways, but it teaches against its major doctrines.
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Repeating it won't change the answers.
 
Would satan deceive people to worship a self-immolating man or the one God? simple logic can do away with all that crap.. if you believe that god can be born to a woman, suckle, dam n the earth for not bearing him fruit, beseech himself, choose ineffectual apostles of whom peter the 'rock' denounced him three times before this god succumbed to a couple of provincial villagers, died, and then later abrogated his commandments through his nemesis then by all means let christians keep their delusions up... Satan wouldn't lead people aright to worship god, he'll lead them down the wrong path where they take pagan self-immolating idols for gods!

end of story..

btw all kinds of abrogations are found on this site:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/what_s_new_

but I think you'll be far better off simply using some basic logic!

:w:
 
Dagless, you're hilarious. Hey, that rhymes.

Bible has errors because it was penned by men.
Quran has errors because it was penned by a man.
WOW, now that's deep.

THE BIGGEST PROOF that there was NO ALTERATION BEFORE MOHAMMED is ...
Mohammed would have warned everyone about the different versions, etc. etc.

Sorry you don't like the Dead Sea scrolls, which you thought would prove Bible alteration.
Please investigate the incredible methods of the Jewish copyists.
 
Dr. Habib Khan said:
Please investigate the incredible methods of the Jewish copyists.
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The torah wasn't written down for a good 800-1000 years and that was because of the fear of it being lost again after what happened to uzair (it was mainly an oral tradition)

are you following the same history as the rest of humanity or the concocted one that christians like to create and live in their own bubble?

funny stuff..
 

Dear Vale’s Lily …
I don’t understand your question …
Would satan deceive people to worship a self-immolating man or the one God?
You don’t seem to realize that ALL men are ineffectual, even you!
God humbled Himself (for your sake) and lived in a man’s body for 33 years.
God had very good reasons for doing this, but it’s a bit long and involved to explain here.
Honestly, you don’t have ANY idea at all what Christians believe, or why they believe it.
Sorry, I don’t understand the rest of your message.
 
Dr. Habib Khan said:
Dagless, you're hilarious. Hey, that rhymes.

Bible has errors because it was penned by men.
Quran has errors because it was penned by a man.
WOW, now that's deep.

THE BIGGEST PROOF that there was NO ALTERATION BEFORE MOHAMMED is ...
Mohammed would have warned everyone about the different versions, etc. etc.

Sorry you don't like the Dead Sea scrolls, which you thought would prove Bible alteration.
Please investigate the incredible methods of the Jewish copyists.
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We are going over the same things over and over again. Repeating your argument doesn't make it stronger.

The Bible was not penned for 100 years (which is more than one lifetime so plenty of time for change) and as I mentioned before it was transmitted orally - within families, or groups. There was no agreed method of verification.

The Quran on the other hand was penned much sooner and learnt by heart. There was strict emphasis on accuracy with harsh punishment to deter change.

The rest of what you say doesn't make sense because you yourself have shown there was change. Do you know that there was change even before Jesus (pbuh)? If I recall correctly there were 3 versions of the original Jewish text. So how can you say there was no change at the time of Muhammad (pbuh) who came much later. The Bible today is an amalgamation of all the different texts (not even the 3 original Jewish texts but of the different Bibles).
 
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Dr. Habib Khan said:
Dear Vale’s Lily …
I don’t understand your question …
Would satan deceive people to worship a self-immolating man or the one God?
You don’t seem to realize that ALL men are ineffectual, even you!
God humbled Himself (for your sake) and lived in a man’s body for 33 years.
God had very good reasons for doing this, but it’s a bit long and involved to explain here.
Honestly, you don’t have ANY idea at all what Christians believe, or why they believe it.
Sorry, I don’t understand the rest of your message.
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dear habib ummak
I am not asking any questions I write in rhetoric!
indeed worshiping a self-immolating mangod seems not only like the biggest deception but the biggest farce in history!
I am certainly not a man but even if I am ineffectual, I am not claiming to be a deity or asking others to worship another man because I had a vision on my way to the johns
why would god humble himself? what is the point of that crap?
and what are gods reasons? too long or too absurd?
you are right I have no idea what christians believe not only because there is no consensus amongst them, but because of the very fulcrum on which their beliefs stand is nothing but a ridiculous fairy tales for even greek mythology when god mated with an earthly woman, they were still distinct entities not three in one.. why is it that the greeks can do simple basic math but christians can't?
it is ok, you need to understand only at the level of a pedant ready to imbue whatever crap his padre dishes out..

all the best to you!
 
When we talk about "The Bible" we need to distinguish between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

As for The New Testament, some books such as The Shepherd of Hermas and The gospel of Barnabas, were first accepted and then later rejected. The book of Revelation has been accepted and rejected many times. Martin Luther didn't accept the book of James. Some christian sects accepted the gnostic gospels for awhile including the Secret Gospel of James. The early "church" rejected and accepted books and voted on a canon at some point.

The Protestants bible still doesnt always include the books that make up the Apocrypha. The Catholic bible includes those writings. Are they authentic, inspired writings? Who knows.

The bottom line, there is no agreement among all of christianity as to the books that should be included in the New Testament.

As for the Old Testament, The Jews accept the Torah, Prophets and Writings (Tanakh). Christians tend to accept the same but their books are in a different order due to the translation from Hebrew to Greek (Septuagint), and as I mentioned above, The Apocrypha (Tobit, Judith, etc.) is accepted by Catholics but not Protestants. Some Jews accept the Apocrypha but give it lesser status.

There is a whole lot of scholarly study that shows there were multiple authors of the first few books (J, P, E, D, etc) and it was later patched together probably mostly by Jeremiah. Ezra also had a big influence on what ended up as the Old Testament.

So...when we talk about "The Bible" we have to agree that there is a lot of disagreement over what actually constitutes the Bible and that the writings that were included changed over time. I'm not even bringing up the contradictions as it is obvious that there is big problem without even getting to the contradictions.

On the other hand, there is only one Qur'an. There is no dispute about its text. It is what it is.

:wa:
 
Dear Dr. Habib Khan,

Somewhat of a different entry although not one we have not seen before.

Is it God(swt) who teaches a man to enter under false pretenses, as you did?

Is it God(swt) who teaches a person to tell about God(swt) by begining with a lie?

Is it God who taught you to speak against people who worship him, without praising God(swt) yourself?

Prove to me and only me that you are a servant of God(swt) or I will assume you are a servant of Satan and deliberately spreading mischief and proselytizing lies, which is a violation of forum rules.

I request that no member reply to this thread or answer this Iblis until he has proven to me, here on this thread he is acting as a servant of God(swt)
 

Dagless, old buddy …

You refuse to face the fact that Mohammed NEVER warned against Bible alteration.
This in itself proves there was none before his time. (This for others to read, not for you.)

Because Mohammed had “in his hand” the one and only Bible of his day,
you have NO EXCUSE for the major and minor CONTRADICTIONS in Qur’an.

ALL OF INJIL was written during the first 90 years following the death of Jesus.
Almighty God had NO PROBLEM keeping what happened fresh in the minds and hearts
of the disciples and apostles. How’s that for “an agreed method of verification”?
Almighty God agreed to agree with Himself. Do you have a sense of humor?

When you say “Bible”, I don’t know if you mean both OT and NT.
Mohammed was referring to both OT and NT (Injil).

The Bible today is an amalgamation of all the different texts
Qur’an today is an amalgamation of the 4 original conflicting versions,
thanks to Uthman who combined them to his liking and threw away the rest.
 
Dr. Habib Khan said:

Dagless, old buddy …

You refuse to face the fact that Mohammed NEVER warned against Bible alteration.
This in itself proves there was none before his time. (This for others to read, not for you.)

Because Mohammed had “in his hand” the one and only Bible of his day,
you have NO EXCUSE for the major and minor CONTRADICTIONS in Qur’an.

ALL OF INJIL was written during the first 90 years following the death of Jesus.
Almighty God had NO PROBLEM keeping what happened fresh in the minds and hearts
of the disciples and apostles. How’s that for “an agreed method of verification”?
Almighty God agreed to agree with Himself. Do you have a sense of humor?

When you say “Bible”, I don’t know if you mean both OT and NT.
Mohammed was referring to both OT and NT (Injil).

The Bible today is an amalgamation of all the different texts
Qur’an today is an amalgamation of the 4 original conflicting versions,
thanks to Uthman who combined them to his liking and threw away the rest.
Click to expand...

No member is allowed to reply on this thread until you prove to me you are a servant of God(swt)
 
time is up.

End of conversation


Begone Shaytan
 
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