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Tania said:
The people are making to be temporary. Please read the whole thread, including the articles which were posted by Salehah and you will understand why i said temporary like in the link which i gave. B?ut i wanted this morning only to aprove the divorce made at phone :-[
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hello again

this marriage is not temp but a crafty way to avoid paying mahr to women. in saudia there are so many scholars for dollars that you can get them to make halal anything a man's heart desires.

its better if you and I both bow out of this thread rather sharpish as there are some folk here who just love to argue the toss and one can never hope to get anywhere with them as they will copy paste entire islamqa site here if provoked. Run sister in Adam, run while you can!
 
Malaikah said:
Tania,

His post was about not mutah, misyar. Mutah is temporary and forbidden. :)
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The line its so thin between them that i think both should be forbidden. all 4 wive must have same rights. Thats its written in the Quran. No :? well, in this case he must provide the same for all or not. I will not accept the men to cut the law after their head and treat with difference the 4 wive. Misyar its used for other purposes too :-[. I will never agreed with it and if it would be after me it would be banned for good. But i would leave the cell phone divorce because its a good option for men :-[
 
NoName55 said:
this marriage is not temp but a crafty way to avoid paying mahr to women. in saudia there are so many scholars for dollars that you can get them to make halal anything a man's heart desires. !
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Well it is the WOMAN who chooses to enter this marriage, no one can force her into it, so I don't see how your point is relevant! And anyway, the misyar marriage does not mean the woman does not receive a dowry. She still does.

I don't understand why you think you can slander our scholars and then complain that your posts get deleted! :-\

since you are so cynical of islamqa, here is another source for you:

Question:

As-Salamu `Alaykum! May Allah bless you, and in Sha’ Allah you will always be in progress. I want to ask you about the marriage that is called in Arabic Misyar. I hope you will explain to me what it means, and kindly shed light on the Islamic ruling concerning it.

Answer:

Wa`alaykum As-Salamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Almighty Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we are really pleased to have your question and to have the chance to convey some of the teachings of our religion to our Muslim brothers. In fact, it adds to our happiness to find guidance being disseminated and the word of truth being highly elevated. We hope these humble efforts meet the great expectations of yours.

Misyar marriage can be defined as a marriage contract between a man and a woman, in which the woman waives some of the rights she would have in a normal Islamic marriage. This sometimes takes place when, for example, there are many women who, as they get older, find it increasingly difficult to marry. In this case a woman opts for a husband who is not able to fulfil the normal marital duties like financial maintenance, or spending adequate time with her, for example. She considers that marrying such a husband is better than remaining unmarried.

It’s noteworthy that once a marriage contract meets its Shari`ah requirements, it will be acceptable from the Islamic points of view irrespective of what people call such contract. Conditions of valid marriage are: The consent of both spouses, the consent of the Wali (guardian), the payment of the dower, the presence of the witnesses, and the announcement of the contract.

It goes without saying that valid marriage should not be limited to a certain period of time; otherwise it will be reckoned as a Mut`ah (temporal) marriage which is prohibited in Islam.

Dealing with this subject, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

Misyar marriage should be viewed as a form of legal relationship between man and woman regardless of any description attached to it. This is pursuant to the juristic rule: "What matters most in contracts are motives and meaning, not the wording or structure."

Therefore, in determining the legal nature of this marriage, we should not judge things according to names, for as we know, people feel free in naming or describing something.

There is nothing new about this kind of marriage. It is in one way or another very similar to what is known as `Urfi marriage or non-documented marriage.

Stipulating certain details in the marriage contract on both sides is acceptable. For example, some `Ulama (scholars) maintain that a woman has a right to determine the timing of marriage; i.e., it can take place at day or night, however, she can also waive this right.

Therefore, based on what has been mentioned, we can state that Misyar marriage, or something in similar form, has been in practice from time immemorial. It also serves the purpose of some women, who, for instance, may be rich but happen to be unable to marry at the proper time. So, such women can opt for this kind of marriage.

But I do have to make it clear that the aforementioned statement does not make me a protagonist of Misyar marriage. In all my Fatwas and sermons, it is not mentioned anywhere that I give any support for such marriage.

The point is that when I was asked by a journalist to state my opinion regarding this marriage, I found it a pressing religious duty to give a clear-cut opinion on something that does not make unlawful what Almighty Allah has made lawful for His servants.

Therefore, if anyone seeks my opinion on this marriage, I must reply him saying: What do you mean by Misyar marriage. However, if I get an explanation that shows that in Misyar marriage, all the Islamic legal requirements are met, then the marriage is valid.

Those requirements are: an offer and acceptance from both parties; a specified dowry, according to the Qur'anic verse: "And give unto the women, (whom ye marry) free gift of their marriage portions" (An-Nisa': 4), and that the contract wins the consent of the guardian. Thereby, no one has the right to brandish it as unlawful.

There is no doubt that such marriage may be somehow socially unacceptable, but there is a big difference between what is Islamically valid and what is socially acceptable. As we know, people can be cynical about the idea of an employee marrying his employer. But who can deny the validity of such a marriage if it meets all the legal requirements?

This issue, therefore, needs a cautious approach. One should not feel free to condemn an act as absolutely forbidden, merely on social repugnance. Rather, one needs to have convincing evidence to determine the legal nature of each particular act.

http://www.islamawareness.net/Marria.../fatwa_01.html​
 
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Malaikah said:
I don't understand why you think you can slander our scholars and then complain that your posts get deleted! :-\
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Malaikah no one here its slandering the scholars. We just have different attitude toward marriage and this cell phone divorce. :-[
 
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Tania said:
The line its so thin between them that i think both should be forbidden. all 4 wive must have same rights. Thats its written in the Quran. No :? well, in this case he must provide the same for all or not. I will not accept the men to cut the law after their head and treat with difference the 4 wive. Misyar its used for other purposes too :-[. I will never agreed with it and if it would be after me it would be banned for good. But i would leave the cell phone divorce because its a good option for men :-[
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The line is no thin, it is massive. Mutah is when the couple agree that they will divorce after a set time period. There is no such agreement in misyar marriage.

If the wife does not want to have all these rights- why can't she have the right to refuse them??

As for the cell phone divorce, I don't even know if that is permissible. It might be valid, but it does not mean the person isn't sinful for doing so.
 
Malaikah said:
The line is no thin, it is massive. Mutah is when the couple agree that they will divorce after a set time period. There is no such agreement in misyar marriage.

If the wife does not want to have all these rights- why can't she have the right to refuse them??
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I might not want my husband to bother me each day but i will not write this in the marriage contract. I will tell to my husband i don't want this or that during our marriage because he will understand me (the marriage its based in the first place on understanding). Writing down in the marriage contract, shows clearly the husband its agreeing from the first time he will not treat with the same measure his 4 wive. Thats forbidden and should never ever been allowed.
 
Tania said:
Malaikah no one here its slandering the scholars. We just have different attitude toward marriage and this cell phone divorce. :-[
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I don't know what you consider to be slander- but saying that scholars have only allowed misyar marriage to "make halal anything a man's heart desires." is slander in my books.

You didn't say anything wrong, I was not addressing you. :)
 
Malaikah said:
I don't know what you consider to be slander- but saying that scholars have only allowed misyar marriage to "make halal anything a man's heart desires." is slander in my books.

You didn't say anything wrong, I was not addressing you. :)
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Its not slander, its only a conclusion reading what it means this marriage. Are you really finding this marriage to be according with Quran :? You really don't see the women is making certain favours to men :?and this like really gentleman's are taking their big share of benefits :?
 
If it is a part of Islam- and I have not heard of anything to prove that it is not- then I have no problem with people practising it if that is what they want.

I personally would not want to do it.

By the way, slander in Islam is defined as saying something behind someone's back, which he/she does not want you to say, and which is not true.

I feel that to say that scholars only allowed this marriage to please the desires of men is slander, and especially to call them scholars for dollars!
 
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If it is a part of Islam- and I have not heard of anything to prove that it is not- then I have no problem with people practising it if that is what they want.
....to call them scholars for dollars!
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The true its in the children opinion:
"Abu Fahda’s grandchildren share his sentiments — especially sadness. “I don’t know who this man is — this man who comes to our house and spends time with my mother,” said the 6-year-old boy. “He’s not my father, and he can’t be her husband because fathers and husbands live with their families.”"
and
a university professor. “With misyar marriage, haven’t we just legalized the ‘why-buy-the-milk-when-the-cow-is-free’ syndrome? And we’re supposed to be civilized?”
Source: http://www.arabnews.com/?page=9&section=0&article=64891

Scholars for dollars it means people which are asking for money to issue fatwas which are favorable for men.
 
I know what scholars for dollars means. To call someone that with out proof is a serious crime in my opinion.

As for this type of marriage. If you don't like it, don't do it.:) It doesn't work for everyone. Just because I would never do it, doesn't mean I will deny others the right to do it if that is what they want. But I agree they should make sure the children don't suffer.
 

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