Sperating Zionism and Judaism

It is indeed. And it can be very fruitful if it stays in this civil and respectful tone. :)
 
Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Well, my judgement was based on SF2K's article which labelled zionism as a politcal movement rather than religious.
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Many Zionist groups would be labeled as solely political, but there are many that are soley Religous as well.
 
Hash said:
Yoshimutu, how can a southen baptist say this about islam. Were is his proof.
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My name is Yoshiyahu - is Yoshimutu the arabic spelling of my name?

The point I am making is that you are stereotyping all Zionists as murderers just as many Southern Baptists have stereotyped all Muslims as such. Both disregard the fact that there are many Muslims and Zionists who have no wish for bloodshed.

Hash said:
Were is my proof? The thousands of dead men and women, young and old, sprewed across what was once their homes, the dozens of infants locked ip in detention centeres, the unborn babys slaughtered in the mothers womb, the graves of the palestians which were once their citys.
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Jews can similarly point to the Mizrahi & Sephardic Jews who had the same done to them after the creation of Israel, thus causing their immigration to Israel.
 
Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Do you agree with this political movement?
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I would say I am a centrist when it comes to Zionism, with some right-wing tendencies. I do support a permanent Jewish presence in Israel - especially for those Jews who fled to Israel after their lives where endangered in their home countries.

I don't support a 100% complete return of the Jewish people to Israel, because that would end in another exile. (One of the prophecies is that the Messiah will gather all Jews to Israel, and he can't do that if all the Jews are already there)
 
Hash said:
I don't completely agree with Zionism as it begun, and the state of Israel as it stands, but I don't at all agree with terrorist factions who care more about money and killing than peace.
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Hi Hash,

Which parts do you agree with?
 
where Zionism is a christian evangelical movement for their own goals rather than simply supporting Jews and Israel.
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I think the majority of Christians who support Zionism do so for no other reason then it is seen as a way of helping Jews and Israel. The return of Christ is not being forced in this manner, as some are trying to imply.
 
Sinner said:
I think the majority of Christians who support Zionism do so for no other reason then it is seen as a way of helping Jews and Israel. The return of Christ is not being forced in this manner, as some are trying to imply.
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What you think is irrelevent. This is the reason that pastors have been pushing on their followers since the beginning of Israel's existance. Only in recent times (the last 3 or 4 years) have they begun to not emphisize apocolypse as the reason for their support of Israel.
 
No, SpaceFalcon is bringing up a valid point, that Christians who support Israel have ulterior motives.
 
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But why did SpaceFalcon say 'Sinner's' opinion is irrelevant?
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Osman said:
But why did SpaceFalcon say 'Sinner's' opinion is irrelevant?
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If I say "I think President Bush is black" Does that make it relavent? No, so it's irrelevent. What sinner brought forth was his opinion on evangelical christian motives toward Israel. His opinion is contrary to the fact.
 
Hash, maybe you should read what sinner said first.
Sinner said:
I think the majority of Christians who support Zionism do so for no other reason then it is seen as a way of helping Jews and Israel. The return of Christ is not being forced in this manner, as some are trying to imply.
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Sinner said Christians support Israel out of genuine concern for the Jews.
 

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