Squirrel trouble

[sister herb]

get a cat. she'll scare them away.

Cats eat also birds. ;D

 

['Abd-al Latif]

hmmmmmmn I'd hate to think of your wife having to take care of those things for you because you have a faint heart..
would you kill this cute bird?

If it were descending on your garden I sure hope you would. Even though it seems beneficial and rids of rodents..

Narrated Hafsa: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful (of a Muhrim) to kill five kinds of animals, namely: the crow, the kite, the mouse, the scorpion and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #54)

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "Five kinds of animals are harmful and could be killed in the Haram (Sanctuary). These are: the crow, the kite, the scorpion, the mouse and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #55)

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog." (Book #54, Hadith #531)

rodents do fall under that category, there's a wisdom behind that and there's an eco system that Allah swt is responsible for balancing. You're to do your duties. If elephants were walking up in your garden then I'd strike a tent and charge admission but get on it and get rid of the pests!

I wouldn't burden my wife with that responsibility to begin with. And I don't believe the success of an individual being tried with a squirrel is a fair way to determine the strength of his heart.

إِنَّ أَڪۡرَمَكُمۡ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتۡقَ
"Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you" (Qur'an 49:13)

To liberate my home from pesky squirrels I must. But to be extreme in my approach I must not.

The ahadeeth you quoted use the wording of 'mice' and, as far as I know, not the general category of rodents. Unless I see an explanation from a shaykh who says so otherwise, I won't resort to killing.

 

[Scimitar]

I don't consider Squirrels as rodents.

They don't eat rodent food... they got more class than rats and mice

They are pests though... CATAPULT (sorry :nervous

Scimi

 

[جوري]

I wouldn't burden my wife with that responsibility to begin with. And I don't believe the success of an individual being tried with a squirrel is a fair way to determine the strength of his heart.

إِنَّ أَڪۡرَمَكُمۡ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتۡقَ
"Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you" (Qur'an 49:13)

To liberate my home from pesky squirrels I must. But to be extreme in my approach I must not.

The ahadeeth you quoted use the wording of 'mice' and, as far as I know, not the general category of rodents. Unless I see an explanation from a shaykh who says so otherwise, I won't resort to killing.

awwwwwwww.. akhi.. please accept my apologies.. I didn't mean you any offense.. I certainly think very highly of you whether you're kind to rodents or not..

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Having a family raised in the country I will t ell how we do it. We put glue on the post or a residue that is sticky. No joke. You do this and Squirrels are afraid to climb up on it. But some glues dry out quite easily so I would suggest using some sort of oil. But it would be good to see a pic of the bird feeder so we know the positioning of it and how you could trap the squirrels.
Personally I would use a air rifle and shoot them which would kill them and leave the body out. Squirrels will pick up on this the same way ants pick up on dead ants pheromones.

 

[sister herb]

Years ago I had mouses in house. I didn´t use poison but trap. When I had all mouses in that trap... I liberated them to forest - very far from my house.

Squirrel is not pests. Just animal.

 

[Hulk]

Just watched a video on youtube of a little girl playing with a dead squirrel:skeleton:

 

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum,


I just wanted to make a few comments, before moving on from this thread (theres no need to waste too much time on squirrels in the month of Ramadaan i think):

1. The following hadith:

The Prophet

said, "Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat, the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog." (Bukhari 4:531)

--> refers to rats/ mice.

This does not give indictation (nor is there any other hadith to the effect) that it can be extrapolated to all rodents (which would include squirrels, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs and hamsters)
If this were so, then we should extrapolate the ruling on the 'crow' to that of all birds as well......this is not so.
If the rat/ mouse is specifically referred to - then the ruling applies these animals.

The opinion that squirrels are pests - is just so - an opinion.
That does not need to be enforced on the rest of the ummah.
There are many among us that find these beautiful creatures of Allah (subhanawataála) as fascinating, highly intelligent, entertaining and in fact very cute!

If this scenario entailed a danger to human life - by way of the squirrel - or any animal - spreading disease, then the life of a human out-weighs that of an animal, and so they should be rightfully put down.


2. Even in the above scenario - let us remember that we are muslims - when dealing with ALL matters of life.
Islam is a religion of tolerance, peace and mercy.

So, the methods used to kill animals (even the 5 listed in the above hadith) should be in a manner that is humane, does not cause undue suffering to the animal and does not involve a slow, torturous process.

Please realise that even though there are many ahadith informing us not to keep dogs at home (unless for security), so too are there ahadith of this nature:


Allah's Apostle

said, "A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that." (Bukhari 4:538)

It was a dog that was fed and saved from thirst.
The prophet (sallahu alaihi wasalam) did not admonish the woman for saving a dogs life. Instead she has been forgiven and promised paradise.

So, please - lets not be cruel and unkind to these animals......just because they are among the listed '5' - and this includes the pig.

They too experience pain.
They too are from among Allah (subhanawatáalas) creations.

They are regarded with a different light, due to various reasons......but this does not justify cruelty and senseless killings.
We are not murderers.
We are muslims.

If there are any in disagreeement with this - this too is fine.

(Ps. theres problems experienced with accessing pages 3/4 of this thread).



:wa:

 

[جوري]

(Ps. theres problems experienced with accessing pages 3/4 of this thread).

I too have that problem with the pages!
as for the ahadiths. I question whether all those types of rodents existed in Arabia? (I think we can all agree that if we look up the meaning of rodents then we'll find squirrels in that category):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodent
The kyte is a type of raptor and has caused problems to children even as they're rampant in my neck of the wood- I personally don't take things in a literal sense because some kytes are actually useful in ridding of mice whereas vultures (other forms of raptors) might not be useful at all.

I'd personally kill that one!
Some mice can be used for experimentations whereas some squirrels maybe rabid. We slaughter animals for consumption all the time, they too have feelings, pain receptors etc. we're not vegetarians nor are we commanded to be. We're also not commanded to be cruel nor do we balance the eco system out of cruelty or thrill of the kill at least I hope not- but we're given dominion over animals and a brain to discern what's dangerous to our lives, crops, or other animals that are on the brink of extinction or to the eco system as a whole. Pigeons have become a serious nuisance in my city and people were first fined for feeding them, then govt. interfered all together because it was getting out of control.

I look at countries like India where every animal is a potential reincarnate so they give milk to rats:

and they let monkeys into traffic and it is absolutely filthy, it is a cesspool for disease you know. We need to be kind but assertive and use our brains not our hearts when we approach things.

and Allah swt knows best

 

[GuestFellow]

If you have a pest problem, try not to cause the animal unnecessary pain and get rid of it by ethical means. Animals must have somewhere to live too. They were here before us as well...

 

[~Zaria~]

I thought of this thread when I watched this vid.

Cute!! : )

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And true....my cat often sits and watches us when reading salaah.
Im convinced that animals understand the praises of Allah, and they are engaged in His praise as well! : )

 

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

We decided to buy a squirrel trap and alhumdulillah I've caught two squirrels so far .

Here they are.

Meet squirrel number one. This furry-tailed second-in-command nut eater was the first to be caught this morning. It (I think it's a female) is young I believe, and is a lot less destructive than its fellow partner-in-crime squirrel number two (second image). After it was caught, I went up to it while it was in the cage to interview it and take a front page picture of it to put it on peskysquirrelnews.com but unfortunately, in a state of extreme frenzy, it only allowed me to take a picture of it's butt :enough!:.

And here we have found-and-guilty, partner-in-crime offender number two. This furry little monster is the ring leader. It chased the birds, ate all their food and seized my back garden for itself and proclaimed it it's base. It ran wild for a few days in my garden, stealing the nuts I placed in the trap from the sides, and occasionally throwing a triumphant glare at me from the other end of the garden so as to say "whose the man?"; but a couple of hours after its partner was caught, it was also locked safely behind bars. This one is however a lot more bold and it allowed me to take a pic of its face after I repeatedly told it to smile for the camera.

Both squirrels were taken to the state prison (by which I mean far away parks) to find new homes.

The cameraman was not harmed in the process.

2 squirrels down, one to go!

 

[~Zaria~]

MashaAllah akhee! : )

I do believe that Allah has sent these squirrels as a test for you.
Alhamdulillah.

You can now offer your squirrel-trapping services to your neighbours : D

May Allah (subhanawata'la) reward you abunduntly.
Ameen.

:wa:

 

['Abd-al Latif]

MashaAllah akhee! : )

I do believe that Allah has sent these squirrels as a test for you.
Alhamdulillah.

You can now offer your squirrel-trapping services to your neighbours : D

May Allah (subhanawata'la) reward you abunduntly.
Ameen.

:wa:

I've caught two more since. It's becoming tiresome going back-and-forth.:heated:

I'm beginning to wonder how many squirrels there are in my neighbourhood now.

 

[~Zaria~]

^ Oh no!

Im thinking, that catching them may not be the solution in this case.....

Have you tried placing the bird food, in ways that are out of reach of the squirrels? (the tips provided on page1?)
Or perhaps something that will give them a tiny electric shock whenever they reach for the food? Soon enough they would be conditioned to stay away......

Dont give up!

Insha Allah, you will find the best way out of this problem too!

 

['Abd-al Latif]

^ Oh no!

Im thinking, that catching them may not be the solution in this case.....

Have you tried placing the bird food, in ways that are out of reach of the squirrels? (the tips provided on page1?)
Or perhaps something that will give them a tiny electric shock whenever they reach for the food? Soon enough they would be conditioned to stay away......

Dont give up!

Insha Allah, you will find the best way out of this problem too!

Yeah I've tried some and they've helped but the problem still persists. The spinners and baffles look a little more promising but that means after buying them the current bird feeders will become useless.

Hmmm. :grumbling

 

[sister herb]

^^ Shocked squirrels... and shocked birds too.

:giggling:

 

[~Zaria~]

^^ Shocked squirrels... and shocked birds too.

:giggling:

: )

The birds should be free from harm - as one limb needs to be in contact with the earth to be able to complete the electric circuit --> resulting in the shock.
Which is why, birds are able to sit on electric fences.....

 

[Salahudeen]

My aunty all ways used to tell me when I was little squirrels are just rats with big tails :hmm:

 

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

I was searching the net for my squirrel problem and I came across the funniest thing. It's called a "spinner" bird feeder. When a squirrel stands on the foot stand next to the mouth of the bird feeder, the battery powered foot stand spins to throw it off. Check this out. I laughed really hard when I saw this.