Standard of justice. Allah and Bible God.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^:-[ Your making meee embarassed! Aiyyaaaa. *leaves*

 

[Great I am not]

Homosexuality is a sin - as it is in chirstainity and Judiaism.

Sin usually has a victim. With Gays there is none.

Why then is it a sin?
In my country, the government says it has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. I agree. Religion, to me should think the same way.

God creates our souls and natures. Is our best bet then not to follow these wherever they take us?

I would think that God knows what He is doing better tan men.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

works both ways - not just one way.

Not equally from what I understand.
He need only wait 4 days.
She must wait 4 months.

Would the law have passed if it was the reverse?

Your answer certainly does not show why God would have an interest in the sexual gratification of men and women.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

You are absolutely right, what people do in their bedrooms is their own business.
But a sin it is, as tenets of religions are a done deal and not subject to re-interpretation.
a Sin doesn't have to be palpable or cause direct harm, although homosexuality is indeed harmful in many ways.. on the lowest common denominator it doesn't allow for perpetuation of a specie -- surely if God loves mankind, he'd want it to survive .. homosexuality isn't beneficial on any level, I can't even fit it in a naturalistic manner since 'nature' would not allow for traits that are harmful to the survival of a group, and well we already know the religious stand on it.
Many sexually transmitted diseases have an increased chance of occurrence through anal sex than regular sex, even such protozoal organisms as Cryptosporidium parvum which causes chronic diarrhea and biliary disease in people with AIDS can be Sexually Transmitted even though it is a water borne organism and usually affects hikers who drink stream water.. imagine that

homosexuality becomes a problem when they are scantily clad and parading in front of children on the streets, it becomes a problem when they desire a marriage recognized by "God"-- if they desire a state marriage in a secular state, I don't see how anyone can protest really. If they want a religious marriage recognized by God, I don't see how anyone can condone it really.

So you are right indeed, God knows better than men, and such an act is considered an abomination and a cardinal sin!

all the best

 

[Great I am not]

85% are sunni so its not as bad a christainty.

Very true.

Goes to show in how many ways the one Bible can be interpreted and misinterpreted. If you add in the way that Islam interprets it, it even gets worse.

I personally thing that Constantine's Bible was a first draft that is in sorry need of a rewrite to a more useful and inclusive Bible instead of the divisive document that it is.

It is way too full of contradictions and debatable meanings. Much like the Quoran from the little I understand.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

Much like the Quoran from the little I understand.

Regards
DL

I agree with that sentiment.. if you understand little about a topic why engage in it?


all the best

 

[Great I am not]

what does that mean???

If they do not tow the line they should be ousted from Islam.
Individual sects should not be allowed to make their own rules and still remain in Islam. Then again, I believe the same should hold true for Christianity.
In Christianity, the Bible clearly says one man one wife. Some sects have many wives and these sects should be ousted and prevented from using the name of Christian. They end up hurting the mother religion.

The same should apply to Islam. If the bulk of Islam is offended by the new sex laws of some sect, they should be able to oust them, as keeping them in might paint all of Islam with the same brush. Look at the damage all fundamentals of all religions do to the parent religion. Ridiculous. Oust the *******s.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

Please explain where in my post I said any of that?

The issue isnt of sect or w/e u wana call it. Women arent obligated to do anything, infact the Prophet(saw) used to do most of the house chores himself. Many Muslims are not representative of that as u can tell. For instance she doesnt "have" to clean/cook but she does it because she is rewarded for her patience. Whatever we do, we do to please God. The husband is considered the provider of the household, since he goes out of the home to provide for himself and his family, ensuring they have a decent livelihood, so it would only make sense that the woman takes care of the house in his absence. But even the husband should help out still. Men and women, whe nthey r married should cooperate with one another, not oppressing each other.

I agree but if you read the new law in Afghanistan, it is oppressive. Like it or not she must submit. I speak of the frequency in a post above.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

'Marital rape law' a measure applies to the 20% of Afghans who are Shiite Muslims. It was part of a massive piece of legislation aimed at bolstering the nation's Shiite minority.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_...ai_backpedals_on_afghan_marital_rape_law.html


shiites are a faction and not recognized as Muslims by the majority who happen to be 85-90% of Muslims.. hardly seems like an issue one should be addressing on a Muslim sunni forum, but indeed, you should question them on the appropriateness of such a law since there is no grounds for it under proper Islamic jurisprudence!

all the best

 

[جوري]

Other than menstration and recovery from childbirth where relations are prohibited. Can a woman ever tell her husband no? Say if she is just too tired or ill or can he just take what he thinks is rightfully his anyway? I understand that a couple should make each other available for the other, even the Bible tells married Christians not to defraud one another except by mutual consent and fasting and prayer for a brief time. My husband and I abstained during Lent which is a period of 40 days, but if I say no, my husband knows it means no. We have laws in America against marital rape.

Islamic stance on rape:

Name of Questioner

Muhammad ​

Title

Islamic Punishment for Rape​

Question

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]What is the ruling on the crime of rape in Islam?[/FONT]
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Date

12/Sep/2005​

Name of Counsellor

Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid​

Topic

Crimes & Penalties, Adultery & Fornication, Mischief​

Answer​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.[/FONT]
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Thanks for your question, and we implore Allah to guide us all to the best and to help us gain insight to understand the teachings of Islam.
Rape is an abhorrent crime and an abominable sin. This heinous crime is forbidden not only in Islam but in all religions, and all people of sound thinking and pure human nature reject it.
Responding to the question, the prominent Saudi Islamic lecturer and author Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid states the following:

The Arabic word ightisab (rape) refers to taking something wrongfully by force. It is now used exclusively to refer to transgression against the honor of women by force.
This is an abhorrent crime that is forbidden in all religions and in the minds of all wise people and those who possess sound human nature. All earthly systems and laws regard this action as abhorrent and impose the strictest penalties on it.
Islam has a clear stance which states that this repugnant action is haram (forbidden) and imposes a deterrent punishment on the one who commits it.
Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit this crime. Western studies have shown that most rapists are already criminals who commit their crimes under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places or staying in the house alone. These studies also show that what the criminals watch on the media and the semi-naked styles of dress in which women go out also lead to the commission of this reprehensible crime.
The laws of Islam came to protect women’s honor and modesty. Islam forbids women to wear clothes that are not modest. In addition, Islam encourages young men and women to marry early, and many other rulings that close the door before rape and other crimes. Hence it comes as no surprise when we hear or read that most of these crimes occur in permissive societies, which are looked up to by some Muslims as examples of civilization and refinement! It is worth mentioning here that in America , for example, Amnesty International stated in a 2004 report entitled “Stop Violence Against Women” that every 90 seconds a woman was raped during that year.
The punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.
Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Barr (may Allah bless his soul) said

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her. (Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146).
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In addition, the rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knifepoint or gunpoint. If the use of a weapon was threatened, then he is a muharib, and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allah says (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter) (Al-Ma’idah 5:33).
So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors.
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Source: www.islam-qa.com


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Name of Questioner

Muslimah - Pakistan​

Title

Punishment for Rapists​

Question

In the Shari`ah, is there a certain punishment for a rapist? ​

Date

22/Feb/2007​

Name of Mufti

Ahmad Yusuf Sulaiman​

Topic

Crimes & Penalties​

Answer​

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]All praise and thanks are due to Allah and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]Dear questioner, thanks for your question, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His sake.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]Islamically speaking, the raped woman is not guilty of any sin because she was forced to it beyond her control. Stressing this, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, “Allah has forgiven my Ummah for their mistakes, what they forget and what they are forced to do.” Thus, the raped woman is a victim and all members of her community should deal with her with honor and kindness and should encourage her to obtain her rights through all possible means.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]In an attempt to furnish you with an answer to your question, we would like to cite for you the following fatwa issued by Dr. Ahmad Yusuf Sulaiman, professor of law and Islamic Shari`ah at Cairo University:[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]If a woman is raped, she should press charges against the one who raped her. If it is proved that she was raped, then the court must apply discretionary punishment or ta`zir on the rapist. Such discretionary punishment may reach the death penalty, according to some schools of thought. This is based wholly on the fact that the rape is confirmed through medical tests and court procedures, without the confession of the rapist himself.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]In cases where the rapist confesses the crime, then the penalty for zina (illegitimate sexual intercourse) is to be applied to him. If he is not married, then he is to be whipped 100 lashes. If he is married, then he is to be stoned to death.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]As for the rape victim, no punishment is to be inflicted on her. She is to be treated with dignity and honor, and all forms of help should be given to her to gain her rights.[/FONT]
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Name of Questioner

Akhtar ​

Title

Are Raped Women Asked to Bring Four Witnesses?​

Question

Dear scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum. When it says to bring four witnesses against a woman who has committed indecency, is it for the woman who has been raped or this is for a married woman whose husband is in doubt about her indecency? Please explain in detail.​

Date

29/Aug/2004​

Name of Mufti

Ahmad Kutty​

Topic

Misconceptions​

Answer​

Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


Dear brother in Islam, thanks a lot for your question which reflects your care to have a clear view of the teachings of Islam. Allah commands Muslims to refer to people of knowledge to get themselves well-acquainted with the teachings of Islam as well as all aspects of life.

In Islam, we are not allowed to tarnish the honor of anyone. One is required to produce four witnesses when making an allegation of adultery against another person; otherwise, one will be guilty of slandering.

A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness. She is not required to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.

In his response to your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

If a person makes an allegation of adultery against another person (male or female) he or she must produce four witnesses to support such an allegation; otherwise, he or she is guilty of slandering, which is a grave offense in Islam, for we are not to tarnish the honor of anyone.

A woman who has been raped cannot be asked to produce witnesses; her claim shall be accepted unless there are tangible grounds to prove otherwise. To insist that she provide witnesses is akin to inflicting further pain on her. If anyone refutes her claim of innocence, the onus is on him to provide evidence, and she may simply deny the claim by making a solemn oath, thus clearing herself in public. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The onus to provide evidence falls on the one who makes a claim, and the one who denies (the same) can absolve himself or herself by making a solemn oath to the contrary.”

As for a spouse who witnesses his or her partner committing adultery and the other party denies it and they are unable to provide witnesses, they are, if they so desire, to part company by repudiating each other by engaging in what is known as a solemn oath and prayer of curse (li`an). It is described thus in the Qur’an: “And those who accuse their wives, and have no witnesses but themselves, then the testimony of each of them shall be a testimony sworn by God repeated four times, that he is indeed truthful. And the fifth (oath) is that God’s curse be upon him if he is lying. And it shall avert punishment from her that she testify a testimony repeated and sworn by God four times, that he is lying. And a fifth (oath) that the wrath of God be upon her, if he has spoken the truth” (An-Nur: 6-9).​

Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.muslims
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Name of Questioner Nina Title Are Raped Women Punished in Islam? Date 26/Nov/2007 Question Dear respected scholars,

My question is simply about raped women. I know that Islam doesn't punish a raped woman because simply it’s out of her hands. But some people say that they should be punished.

Can you please tell me the state of the "raped" in Islam.

Jazakallahu khayran​

Topic Human Rights, Women's life Name of Counselor Kamal Badr
Answer
Salam, Nina.

Thanks for your question.

As the question mostly revolves around raped women, I would confine my answer to that point, without delving into the issue of punishing the rapist, on which there is no controversy that if it is proven, beyond reasonable doubt, that he is guilty of the crime, he will serve the punishment.

But I would like to make it clear that this crime can be proved either by confession or testimony or even through any modern means, thanks for the great revolution that has taken place in the field of science. This has made it easier for criminal experts to lay their hands on clear evidence that paves way for justice to run its course.

So what I am trying to say is that, contrary to what some Westerners claim, the issue is not just "bring four witnesses or set the accused free". Shari`ah is not a legal system that keeps itself away from realities of life. Rather, it is practical in the sense that its mechanism of justice operates in a quite flexible way that makes all its precepts and rulings applicable at all time. Anyway, as I have said, I will not go into details on that now.

Moving to your question. Yes, sister, raped women are not punished in Islam. What punishment? This is like saying that a person robbed of his property should be punished.

It is a fact that, to be absolved from guilt, the raped woman must have shown some sort of good conduct, in the sense that what befell her must be something beyond her control. This is where Islam excels.​

In dealing with a certain issue or addressing a certain problem, it brings forth a comprehensive panacea that uproots the problem and eliminates its causes. Rather than stipulating a temporary measure that will act as sedatives, Islam gets down to the root of the problem itself with the aim of uprooting entirely.​

It sets noble codes of conduct that should prevail in the society; it addresses women to maintain their modesty, as not to open the door for evils:​

*{… be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.}* (Al-Ahzab 33: 32)​

The above verse, despite addressing the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) actually, in an implicit way, calls upon Muslim women in general to preserve their dignity and modesty, just to save themselves from any harassment.

This injunction sounds more explicit in the following verse:​

*{O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.}* (Al-Ahzab 33: 59)​

This is Islam. As we have reiterated before, it does not hunt for crimes just to punish; rather, it works towards the means of blocking the avenues of crimes. Even when it punishes, it does not punish blindly; rather, it strikes the guilty hand.

So, for a rape victim to be absolved from guilt, she must not be the one that opens her house for robbery and her dignity for deflowering. If, after trying her best to resist the attack, she gets overcome by the assailants, she is totally absolved from punishment.

Muslim scholars are unanimous on this. They maintain that any woman, who, despite doing her utmost to resist these thugs and their ilk, is raped, is not guilty of any sin. This is since the situation is beyond her control, and anyone who is forced to do something is not guilty of sin. This is even in the case of disbelief, which is worse than zina (sex out of marriage), as Allah says what means:​

*{… except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with faith}* (An-Nahl 16: 106)​

The Prophet said: "Allah has forgiven for my Ummah for their mistakes, what they forget and what they are forced to do."

In showing reaction to this heinous crime, Islam takes into consideration the terrible effects it has on its victims. Most rape victims have their self-esteem diminished after an assault or abuse, driving them to be hunted by frequent shame, humiliation and loss of control.

This situation may even exacerbate to the point of making rape victims find it difficult to be intimate with others. That is why Islam lays down certain strategies, which all in all, aim at soothing the rape victim, opening for her new channels of hope and survival.

That is why Islam makes it clear that any Muslim woman who falls prey to a rapist will be rewarded for bearing this calamity with patience, if she seeks Allah's reward for the harm that has befallen her.​

The Prophet says:​

"No stress or exhaustion befalls the Muslim, nor worry or distress, even a thorn which pricks him, but Allah will forgive his sins because of that." (Al-Bukhari)

The society also has a role to play in rehabilitating the rape victim. Instead of deserting her or considering her a person non grata in the society, for the crime she has no hand in, Islam calls upon the society to rush to assist her in modifying and improving her life. We should show her the way out the pain of abuse.

Thus, many Muslim scholars, led by Sheikh Al-Qaradawi, have maintained that young Muslim men should hasten to marry women who fall as rape victims, so as to reduce their suffering and console them, to compensate them for the loss of the most precious thing that they possess. This reflects mutual love, rapport and altruism that prevail in the Muslim society.

This is, in brief, how Islam caters for raped women. Please keep in touch.​

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hope that takes care of all your q's
you can always pose your questions to them directly or search their data base islamonline.net

all the best

as for not being in the mood, well I imagine it a matter best discussed between husband and wife?.. I don't imagine Muslim men to be any different than any regular joe if you sit em down and have a good talk- I am sure they can cut down on their brutishness and show some understanding!

all the best

 

[Great I am not]

'Marital rape law' a measure applies to the 20% of Afghans who are Shiite Muslims. It was part of a massive piece of legislation aimed at bolstering the nation's Shiite minority.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_...ai_backpedals_on_afghan_marital_rape_law.html


shiites are a faction and not recognized as Muslims by the majority who happen to be 85-90% of Muslims.. hardly seems like an issue one should be addressing on a Muslim sunni forum, but indeed, you should question them on the appropriateness of such a law since there is no grounds for it under proper Islamic jurisprudence!

all the best

Good to hear. My respect rises.

Muslims then should be more vocal in letting the world know this.

Unfortunately all of Islam is seen as one.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

The requirement of 4 witnesses seems to say that if a perpetrator is discreet, he or she will never see justice done against them.

Why 4? Why not 3 or 2 or with evidence 1?

Regards
DL

 

[aamirsaab]

The requirement of 4 witnesses seems to say that if a perpetrator is discreet, he or she will never see justice done against them.

Why 4? Why not 3 or 2 or with evidence 1?

Regards
DL

Have you seen the punishment for a crime that requires 4 witnesses? It is extremely harsh and as such needs to have a lot of evidence. It is hard enough to get one witness to such acts (with modern technology such as cctv etc), let alone four.

Another reason for 4 witnesses is simple: a counter measure to prevent people from missusing the system i.e making a claim against such and such that he/she is an adulterer - if one person makes that claim, you can probably bet they have a personal vendetta against the dude/dudette in question; if four different people are making the same claim, then there is probably some truth in it (if there is not, and these are found out to be conspirators against that individual, they are blacklisted from their community for their dishonesty); again acting as a fail safe to prevent witch hunting/slandering etc.

Similarly, it acts as a form of supreme justice in that it would rather an evil man escape than punish a righteous man.

Of course, the law of large numbers and the mere fact that the majority of people being law abiding to begin with, makes it difficult for the wrong guy to be slandered against in the first place (let alone taken to court over any matters). So everything works out in a fair and just manner, theoretically speaking.

 

[جوري]

Good to hear. My respect rises.

Muslims then should be more vocal in letting the world know this.

Unfortunately all of Islam is seen as one.

Regards
DL

Greetings,

Muslims are very vocal, not many want to give them the air time-- other non-Islamic forums delete posts from Muslims members if they are deemed contenders, hence I can no longer bother to be on them... I think if anyone were interested in the truth, it is out there as easy as an open book...

all the best

 

[Zafran]

Greetings,

Muslims are very vocal, not many want to give them the air time-- other non-Islamic forums delete posts from Muslims members if they are deemed contenders, hence I can no longer bother to be on them... I think if anyone were interested in the truth, it is out there as easy as an open book...

all the best

Salaam

well said - it is similar about terroism and what Muslims think about it - the overwhelming opinion is that its wrong yet you always hear people say where are the muslims condeming it. When in reality Muslims are condeming it all over the place - The media just doesnt want them on because then the same people will start to condenm the Colonist, Imperalistic policies of america.

Maybe the same question could be applied about americans and there governments colonist, imperailistic foriegn policy - where are the americans condeming it? - the mainstream media will never let those people on.

 

[Great I am not]

Have you seen the punishment for a crime that requires 4 witnesses? It is extremely harsh and as such needs to have a lot of evidence. It is hard enough to get one witness to such acts (with modern technology such as cctv etc), let alone four.

Another reason for 4 witnesses is simple: a counter measure to prevent people from missusing the system i.e making a claim against such and such that he/she is an adulterer - if one person makes that claim, you can probably bet they have a personal vendetta against the dude/dudette in question; if four different people are making the same claim, then there is probably some truth in it (if there is not, and these are found out to be conspirators against that individual, they are blacklisted from their community for their dishonesty); again acting as a fail safe to prevent witch hunting/slandering etc.

Similarly, it acts as a form of supreme justice in that it would rather an evil man escape than punish a righteous man.

Of course, the law of large numbers and the mere fact that the majority of people being law abiding to begin with, makes it difficult for the wrong guy to be slandered against in the first place (let alone taken to court over any matters). So everything works out in a fair and just manner, theoretically speaking.

If you say so but you made my case with this.

" It is hard enough to get one witness to such acts (with modern technology such as cctv etc), let alone four."

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

Greetings,

Muslims are very vocal, not many want to give them the air time-- other non-Islamic forums delete posts from Muslims members if they are deemed contenders, hence I can no longer bother to be on them... I think if anyone were interested in the truth, it is out there as easy as an open book...

all the best

I too have had problem but the other way. It is Muslim board who ban me. I am pleased that I have found this one although my first two postings and first OP were deleted.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

Salaam

well said - it is similar about terroism and what Muslims think about it - the overwhelming opinion is that its wrong yet you always hear people say where are the muslims condeming it. When in reality Muslims are condeming it all over the place - The media just doesnt want them on because then the same people will start to condenm the Colonist, Imperalistic policies of america.

Maybe the same question could be applied about americans and there governments colonist, imperailistic foriegn policy - where are the americans condeming it? - the mainstream media will never let those people on.

I think that much of the misunderstanding of various religions is that they are all so sure of the interpretations of their books that they have forgotten that God began as master of all and must end that way. that makes Him a universalist and most religions are not inclusive but exclusive. us and them when it should all be us.

We all yell at each other about what this God or that God says without logically working out what a true God should say in words of today. We are trying to work with translated words from other translated word that all come from oral tradition that had it's own context and meaning.

Regards
DL

 

[aamirsaab]

If you say so but you made my case with this.

" It is hard enough to get one witness to such acts (with modern technology such as cctv etc), let alone four."

Regards
DL

If a criminal is descreet about any crime he/she commits, it is highly unlikely they will be caught (and thus justice shall not be done), so I don't see how I have made your case any stronger.

 

[Walkinfront]

Regarding the cutting off of the limbs:

Someone in my family lived in Saudi Arabia for 15 years, and I have some friends there still. There they do in fact still cut off limbs for stealing and other crimes if there are witnesses present. Now I think that if the victim forgives the criminal (doesnt press charges for example) then the criminal does not deal with punishment of cutting off the limbs. I know for a fact this is true with murder cases, but not so sure about smaller things like stealing.

There is a true story where at the last second when the murder was about to be executed, the family of the victim forgave him just as the sword was being sharpened. He was let go.

Inshallah that answers part of your question.