State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron

[Uthman]

Liberalism & it's effects on Society

 

[Pygoscelis]

Liberalism & it's effects on Society

Liberalism is the opposite of Authoritarianism. Yes, individual liberty leads to less social cohesion, and taken to an extreme would mean anarchy, but I for one would prefer that over authoritarian tyranny (the other extreme - where big brother is watching).

 

[David Gould]

Egypt tonight goes down a new and exciting road. My prayers and thoughts for this people who have caste off the heavy yoke of tyranny...lets just hope they do not fall under a new one. Too much liberalism could be bad for one while too little is dangerous.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Another programme on Muslims in Britain :hmm:. Having watched snippets of it, aspects of teh way Islam is taught I strongly object to. Having said that its obvious that the issues raised is being used as a stick to convince muslims to assimilate and abandon parts of Islam that the governing classes dont agree with. What do you guys think?

Heres trailer

Dispatches: Lessons in Hate and Violence - Part 1

 

[GuestFellow]

^



I'm not expecting Channel 4 to make a documentary about showing Muslims in a positive light. It will not be interesting for the public. I have yet seen the entire documentary but I agree, children should not be kicked, especially when reading the Qur'an. The speaker talking about Hinduism is ignorant...

 

[M.I.A.]

i remember my teacher hitting my hand with a cane when i was learning the quran, but those people in the vids are going too far really. he was completely the opposite of those people in the vids.. such a nice person i have never known.

caught me talking in class countless times lol

looking back i never thought bad of him at the time or now.

i still dont have a fistfull beard so that worried me a lot.

 

[Thinker]

Hi group

I have just read through the posts in this thread and am heartened to see some of you agreeing that British Muslim should make a greater effort to integrate. The post highlighting the fact that every other colour and faith has integrated or at least integrated better/more than Muslims is undeniable. The post that asks what does that mean, what do they want us to do to integrate is also a valid question and one I’d like to tackle.

The question follows: does Islam allow Muslims to ‘integrate’ into a non-Muslim society? Is it not the case that Islam specifically commands that Muslims not only must not integrate they must do everything they can to not to take on the appearance of or adopt the customs and culture of non-Muslims? If that is the case Muslims categorically cannot integrate. So why not say it loud and clear – “we are going to live in your country, we’re going to carry a UK passport, we’re going to accept all the benefits of being a citizen but we’re never going to integrate.” If that’s the truth, post it on a placard on the doors of your mosques and let everybody know exactly they way it is.

And, whilst you’re there add a postscript on the placard that states - in addition there are numerous customs and practices which although abhorrent to British customs and values and which are not obliged by Islam but which are a part of a culture in Islamic countries which we intend to continue to pursue to further distance ourselves from becoming an integrated part of British society.

Tell me what part of these statements is not true?

 

[IslamicRevival]

The question follows: does Islam allow Muslims to ‘integrate’ into a non-Muslim society

What do you mean by 'Integrate' What do you want from us?

Is it not the case that Islam specifically commands that Muslims not only must not integrate they must do everything they can to not to take on the appearance of or adopt the customs and culture of non-Muslims?

Where did you get this from? The part that is highlighted is a pile of rubbish

If that is the case Muslims categorically cannot integrate. So why not say it loud and clear – “we are going to live in your country, we’re going to carry a UK passport, we’re going to accept all the benefits of being a citizen but we’re never going to integrate.” If that’s the truth, post it on a placard on the doors of your mosques and let everybody know exactly they way it is.

:rollseyes

 

[جوري]

Tell me what part of these statements is true?

The part where you admit that you stink worse than a donkeys ass!


by the way how are things in Cyprus?

all the best

 

[جوري]

Where did you get this from? The part that is highlighted is a pile of rubbish

when you are a fetid ape, you're bound to create and mire in rubbish.. question is why admins allows excrement to remain on the forum?
Isn't it time we took out the trash?.. or perhaps the good ape can enroll in the British services instead of scurrying away to a foreign country and serve like any good primeval primate while pounding on that hairy pectus of his and show that bravery in a place like say Afghanistan? Ape heads are especially prized I hear as they have a shortage for both buckets and good brooms!

 

[Thinker]

What do you mean by 'Integrate' What do you want from us?

Integration - definitions

Pertaining to a group or society whose members interact on the basis of commonly held norms or values.
The organisation of the psychological or social traits and tendencies of a personality into a harmonious whole.

In short, integration is a process where we all merge together as one people sharing the same cultural values.

 

[Thinker]

Where did you get this from? The part that is highlighted is a pile of rubbish

I got it from thie forum; Instead of writing off what I have said itemise what I have said and tell me it is wrong?

 

[جوري]

basis of commonly held norms or values.

what kind of norms or values can one hope to hold with un-evolved apes do you suppose?

 

[aadil77]

I got it from thie forum; Instead of writing off what I have said itemise what I have said and tell me it is wrong?

How about a source?

 

[Thinker]

The part where you admit that you stink worse than a donkeys ass!
by the way how are things in Cyprus?
all the best

Come on - you can do better than that!! btw what is a donkey's ass and what does it smell like:statisfie

 

[Thinker]

How about a source?

Tell me which part is wrong? Are you saying for example that Islam does not command that Muslims look differently than non Muslims? Why do Muslim men wear beards?

 

[جوري]

Come on - you can do better than that!! btw what is a donkey's ass and what does it smell like

Sure I could.. but as is in Islam.. one is to communicate with others to their level of expertise and not speak above them as to not alienate them..

that part that is about to be kicked is the donkeys butt:

and generally is smells like a pile of dung.. I don't want to include a pic of that as I just had dindin

all the best

 

[جوري]

Tell me which part is wrong? Are you saying for example that Islam does not command that Muslims look differently than non Muslims? Why do Muslim men wear beards?

why do monks, Jews, sikhs and countless others sport beards?

 

[aadil77]

Tell me which part is wrong? Are you saying for example that Islam does not command that Muslims look differently than non Muslims? Why do Muslim men wear beards?

does that stop them from integrating?

again I'd like a source

 

[جوري]

maybe he can go and tell this fellow below to integrate better (just so we don't have doubts to his sincerity) but only of course after letting him on to the secret that the wall he's standing by is built by Sultan Suliman the magnificent around the 1500's not king Solomon..

perhaps then we can tolerate his drivel about beards and integration and tolerance!