State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron

[جوري]

Oh man, that is really sad...may Allah ease their pain.

ameen ya rabb.. easily treated to with such cheap basic antibiotics but you can tell that they can't afford it.. like many other people in the world.. I'd hate to derail the thread but I find these petty squabbles that westerns fixate on so infuriating..
how many children die each day of starvation and/or dehydration.
how many people young and old are devastated by war and disease as we write
how many people are taking to the streets to protest their oppressive regimes
how much of the world's population lives below poverty line

and this guy is upset because he can't shake hands with a Muslim woman and doesn't like the sight of bearded men? Please give me a freaking break!
we need to put things into perspective for some of these people!

 

[yas2010]

ameen ya rabb.. easily treated to with such cheap basic antibiotics but you can tell that they can't afford it.. like many other people in the world.. I'd hate to derail the thread but I find these petty squabbles that westerns fixate on so infuriating..
how many children die each day of starvation and/or dehydration.
how many people young and old are devastated by war and disease as we write
how many people are taking to the streets to protest their oppressive regimes
how much of the world's population lives below poverty line

and this guy is upset because he can't shake hands with a Muslim woman and doesn't like the sight of bearded men? Please give me a freaking break!
we need to put things into perspective for some of these people!

Sister so beautifully put!

 

[جوري]

Sister so beautifully put!

Jazaki Allahh khyran dear sister-- I have enjoyed your posts as well

 

[CosmicPathos]

He likes to shake hands with a Muslim female. Just admit monkey.

 

[GuestFellow]

ameen ya rabb.. easily treated to with such cheap basic antibiotics but you can tell that they can't afford it.. like many other people in the world.. I'd hate to derail the thread but I find these petty squabbles that westerns fixate on so infuriating..
how many children die each day of starvation and/or dehydration.
how many people young and old are devastated by war and disease as we write
how many people are taking to the streets to protest their oppressive regimes
how much of the world's population lives below poverty line

and this guy is upset because he can't shake hands with a Muslim woman and doesn't like the sight of bearded men? Please give me a freaking break!
we need to put things into perspective for some of these people!

Sis, what you said complements this thread, it did not derail the topic.

When I go to town, I see homeless people sitting on the street and begging people for money and food and sleep on the ground. Houses are being repossessed and people losing their jobs. However, the mainstream media plus David Cameron are more concerned about whether Muslims are integrating into society...a society that cannot even define its own values.

It is laughable how much attention Muslims get when we make up 2.8% of the British population...

 

[Woodrow]

Why does barnacle Bill the sailor wear a beard, why does any none Muslim wear a beard - because they want to. Why do Muslim men wear a beard and why must it be a fist long and with a shaven moustache? You know and I know why and it's not because they want to or because it's fashionable; or do you know why, maybe you don't know what Islam commands?

I can only speak for myself. When I reverted one of my first desires was to grow a beard and I did not even know it was obligatory. I did not think because of my race I would ever have a beard. In the 65 tears before I reverted the closest I could get to a beard was a sick mustache that looked like a wilted caterpillar. About like this:

that guy is supposed to be one of my ancestors on my mother's side. I inherited his beard growing ability. I got my beard because my prayers to grow one were answered. Many of us do have a beard by choice and not just because it is sunnah to have one. Some of us would still have our beard if it was not sunnah, as long as it is permitted too.

 

[yas2010]

When I go to town, I see homeless people sitting on the street and begging people for money and food and sleep on the ground. Houses are being repossessed and people losing their jobs. However, the mainstream media plus David Cameron are more concerned about whether Muslims are integrating into society...a society that cannot even define its own values.

It is laughable how much attention Muslims get when we make up 2.8% of the British population...


Brother in Islam

You have hit the nail on the head. Scapegoating and hater mongers will always divert the truth.
We must always remember the perseverance of the Prophet (pbuh) and that we as muslims are like saplings we will survive what ever adversities come our way. Insh'Allah.

 

[جوري]

It is laughable how much attention Muslims get when we make up 2.8% of the British population...

sadly all our money is poured into their societies by the billions by these despots that they've instated to govern us.. we get no respect at home or abroad (thanks to their pan-Arabism/colonialism/greed/filth) nearly 200 yrs now to rid ourselves of their grip and have our ummah back on its feet and at this crucial juncture they want to burrow a hole here and a hole there and have us chasing after after our tails or other utter stupidities in the name of 'integration' when it is all just a disgusting scheme to separate Quran from Sunnah and turn us into them, a silly genderless/identity-less people who shelf their religion as an old relic to be visited on holidays if at all.. otherwise sport a scarlet letter on our mosques that we can't integrate so they can better identity us for their target practice. Their stupidities whether 'good natured' or their preferred style of violence always seem to backfire and breed exactly the opposite.. the best part of it all I must admit is when their own 'pure bred' convert to Islam.. like the former PM's sister in law.. ouch that is really got to hurt and frankly it pleases me immensely!

 

[جوري]

@ thinker: I'd like to use my shaking hand and do a machine-gun slapping maneuver on that monkey face of yours till you evolve into a human! grrrr RAWR.

when I first entered med-school I was this pissed off all the time.. sad to say you'll only be more impatient and more pissed off as the days go by :lol: so try to ration it as to not sap yourself out of juice completely in one setting..

 

[Maryan0]

@ thinker: I'd like to use my shaking hand and do a machine-gun slapping maneuver on that monkey face of yours till you evolve into a human! grrrr RAWR.

:-\ ...
Salam

 

[Thinker]

He likes to shake hands with a Muslim female. Just admit monkey.

Have you considered the possibility that good evidenced intellectual debate might better progress your views?

 

[Thinker]

This debate surrounds 'muslims' accepting the 'host' cultural 'values'.
What about 'host' accepting certain values of muslims?!

I’d like to hear your reasons why you believe that non-Muslims living in a non-Muslim country should adopt Islamic customs, practices and values?

 

[Thinker]

Nothing to do with the legacy of colonialism then?

Groan – come on, that pathetic excuse for failure was beaten to death a long time ago.

 

[Thinker]

I can only speak for myself. When I reverted one of my first desires was to grow a beard and I did not even know it was obligatory.

I presume that you now know the reasons why Muslim men are obliged to wear the beard and the beard od a certain style? Does that reason and the statement you make by wearing the beard not alter anyting?

 

[Thinker]

The argument about whether multiculturalism is good or bad is over. It ended when Trevor Philips denounced (Chairman of The Commission for Racial Equality) called for it to be ditched and David Cameron simply nailed the coffin shut – that is that whether you like it or not.

You all shout me down simply for asking for honesty from you all. If you believe that Islam forbids integration into a non-Muslims society just say it, simply state that “we will not integrate, we will not accept and take on the standards and values of British society and it is our intention to set up our own little dar-al-Islam with the UK” - be honest; is that too difficult?

It seems to me that you have three choices:

1. Integrate – which means looking more like your fellow citizens and less like the mujahadeen; accept common social standards (handshakes; talking face to face etc); mixed gender schooling, work and social interaction etc etc.

2. Refuse to integrate and set up you own little versions of dar-al-Islam.

3. Hijrah – Muhammad, knew it wouldn’t work and stated that you shouldn’t do it.

If there is another option I’d like to hear it.

 

[GuestFellow]

You all shout me down simply for asking for honesty from you all.

I didn't shout...

If you believe that Islam forbids integration into a non-Muslims society just say it, simply state that “we will not integrate, we will not accept and take on the standards and values of British society and it is our intention to set up our own little dar-al-Islam with the UK” - be honest; is that too difficult?

I've said that Muslims will integrate as long as we can practice Islam. Simple really...I have a beard and used to work in a law firm.

It seems to me that you have three choices:

1. Integrate – which means looking more like your fellow citizens and less like the mujahadeen; accept common social standards (handshakes; talking face to face etc); mixed gender schooling, work and social interaction etc etc.

Everyone looks different. There used to be a girl in my class who used to change her hairstyle every month. Some people are into Goth. Some Sikh men wear a Turban and grow a full beard. I've seen Jewish men wear those skull caps.

So I'm not sure what you mean by "looking more like your fellow citizen"...

What is wrong with same sex schools?

So according to you, in order for a person to integrate, they need to achieve the following...

1. Looking more like everyone else...whatever that is.
2. No beard
3. Handshake...
4. Go to mix gender schools

 

[aamirsaab]

I’d like to hear your reasons why you believe that non-Muslims living in a non-Muslim country should adopt Islamic customs, practices and values?

What Islamic customs, practices or values are we talking of exactly?

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

The argument about whether multiculturalism is good or bad is over. It ended when Trevor Philips denounced (Chairman of The Commission for Racial Equality) called for it to be ditched and David Cameron simply nailed the coffin shut – that is that whether you like it or not.

You all shout me down simply for asking for honesty from you all. If you believe that Islam forbids integration into a non-Muslims society just say it, simply state that “we will not integrate, we will not accept and take on the standards and values of British society and it is our intention to set up our own little dar-al-Islam with the UK” - be honest; is that too difficult?

It seems to me that you have three choices:

1. Integrate – which means looking more like your fellow citizens and less like the mujahadeen; accept common social standards (handshakes; talking face to face etc); mixed gender schooling, work and social interaction etc etc.

2. Refuse to integrate and set up you own little versions of dar-al-Islam.

3. Hijrah – Muhammad, knew it wouldn’t work and stated that you shouldn’t do it.

If there is another option I’d like to hear it.

No

Just because Trevor Philips and David Cameron say multiculturalism failed (actually for David Cameron its State multiculturalism) doesnt make it so.

And your drivel about 'intergration' has nothing to with intergration, its more like 'assimilation'. Forgive me but I have no desire to ape after you or your values.

Having said that there are many aspects of British society that I like and many I dont, I take what I like and compatible with my faith and leave the rest. Its really that simple. If you dont like it *shrug*.

You'd better get used to it.

 

[جوري]

What Islamic customs, practices or values are we talking of exactly?

haven't you been reading? he'd like to shake your woman's hand while shaving you!

 

[جوري]

Groan – come on, that pathetic excuse for failure was beaten to death a long time ago.

I'd have liked to witness that beating rather than hearing about it from you...BTW with this new tidal wave all over the middle east I predict a greater fall to your not so great empire...

by the way (as a none brit) I find that British people to be under-educated and have very poor hygiene. When I lived there for a couple of years this cleaning lady (I assure you a pure bred) used the newspapers that I threw out to wipe her butt -- clogged my toilet on more than one occasion that I ended up just leaving toilet paper in there rather than bringing it to her attention as to not embarrass her-- she always had money for cigarettes though which was a conundrum .. Is that a British custom that Muslims have to adapt to amongst others?

all the best