Stoning

[glo]

stoning is in the jewish Jurisprudence as well

in the old testament right?

Yes.
I don't know if there are any countries where it is still practiced ...

I can't help but be reminded of this story:

But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." (John 8:1-11)

Peace

 

[Umar001]

Cheese it wasnt that it was someone being punished for drinking i think.

And I hope this aint going to turn into a comperative religion thread.Stoning is something all three have in their scripture lets not debate.

I was wondering, what if the person is put in the pit and they run away can they escape and be left? Beause I heard this along time ago, if they manage t o free themselves they can go free, but from what I understand this is not the case because of a hadeeth I read.

 

[Malaikah]

Yes.
I don't know if there are any countries where it is still practiced ...

I can't help but be reminded of this story:

Glo,

Are you then against courts and judges and jails and stuff? By the same logic we can not punish theives, murderers etc because none of us is free of sin. :rollseyes

Stoning ultimately leads to death through multiple injuries and internal bleeding - either through injuries to internal organs, or (if buried partially in the ground) through multiple head injuries ...

I don't know how large the stones tend to be, but the resulting injuries would be substantial.

imsad

Er this is something that is a part of your religion too...

Either way, its better to be punished in this life rather than in the next life, and of course let us not forget what Ansar said in his post about it being also impossible to convict someone....

EDIT- rather than taking this thread of topic i have created a new thread here: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/33404-if-any-one-you-without-sin.html

 

[Pk_#2]

WELL SOME CHRISTIANS SAY IT IS NOT PART OF THIER FAITH AND THAT JESUS STOPPED THE STONING OF ONE WOMAN...

wah u fink?

Urm, ok May Allah protect us from Hell,

Nothing can be as bad as hell!

AsalamuAlaykum!

 

[Malaikah]

^That doesnt matter sis because it was part of the religion of the other prophets and christians believe that their law came from God so it doesnt make a difference...

Anyway sorry to take this thread off topic...

 

[Umar001]

Please guys, don't derail the thread.

Second time today I've had to quote myself, am sure you lot dont want me quoting myself all the time, its not good for my ego.

And I hope this aint going to turn into a comperative religion thread.Stoning is something all three have in their scripture lets not debate.

If you have questions about it do it in the comperative religion pwease.


Eesa

 

[Muslim Woman]

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Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)

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----Did not read the whole thread .....is this ok to ask one question ?:hiding:


I did not find any verse on stoning in holy Quran....instead there is lashing punishment mentioned in Sura .... most probably Nur.
So, because of 1 or 2 hadith why should we think , stoning to death is a must ? Why we don't give them a chance to repent & come back to Islam ?

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I was wondering, what if the person is put in the pit and they run away can they escape and be left? Beause I heard this along time ago, if they manage t o free themselves they can go free

No because that would be discrimination against obese adulterers.

Honestly bro, I've never heard of that but I highly doubt it. I know that for the person who confesses they are not put in a pit and are allowed to retract their confession at any time and escape the punishment. But not someone who is actually convicted by four witnesses in public, and we have never had such a case in all of islamic history.

And Allah knows best.

 

[Malaikah]

^I've heard of it too actually... but I do not remember from where...:?

 

[snakelegs]

No because that would be discrimination against obese adulterers.

:giggling: :giggling: ;D :giggling:

 

[Skillganon]

No because that would be discrimination against obese adulterers.
.....

Assalamu alaikum bro
Did you Joke? :uuh:

That is rare

 

[Woodrow]

Ansar took me my surprise with that reply. But, that is a very serious answer.

We know that Allah(swt) is all just and that he would not establish any ruling that would not equaly apply to all people. That ruling of escaping punishment would not be available to obese people who would be unable to out run the law enforcers. Therefore it would be an unjust rule. If it is unjust to even one person, it does not sound like a ruling that Allah(swt) would have sent down.

 

[Malaikah]

It shouldn't. No matter how much you try and consider other views and different cultural perspectives, stoning is a Dark Age barbarism that has no place in any modern civilized society.

Not at all. It is a punishment in line with the crime. Also refer back to Ansar Al-'Adl's posts for an explanation of why it this is more of a scare tactic to keep the people from sinning, it is very hard to convict a person.

 

[Makky]

Yes.
I don't know if there are any countries where it is still practiced ...

I can't help but be reminded of this story:
Quote:
But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." (John 8:1-11)

Peace

according to the christian belief jesus 'GOD' said : If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
.. Was he the same person who had send moses with the Law ? Who said in mathew :5/ 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished



another question : was there a person after moses without a sin ... if there wasn't, then to whom was the law of stoning ?

peace

 

[Umar001]

Assalamu Aleykum guys,

according to the christian belief jesus 'GOD' said : If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
.. Was he the same person who had send moses with the Law ? Who said in mathew :5/ 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished



another question : was there a person after moses without a sin ... if there wasn't, then to whom was the law of stoning ?

peace

Bro, as I said, please if you want to bring topics up do so in the comperative section.

I did not find any verse on stoning in holy Quran....instead there is lashing punishment mentioned in Sura .... most probably Nur.
So, because of 1 or 2 hadith why should we think , stoning to death is a must ? Why we don't give them a chance to repent & come back to Islam ?

Wa Aleykum Salam Wa Rhametulahi Wa Berekatu,

If you want to know whether the legal status of hadeeth is the same as Qu'ran please make a thred in an appropiate section.

And thanks guys,

I think that I should get a rep point because I did create a thred in which Ansar actually made something which was or might have been a joke!:happy:

 

[snakelegs]

I think that I should get a rep point because I did create a thred in which Ansar actually made something which was or might have been a joke!:happy:[/COLOR][/B]

i agree!

 

[جوري]

actually the whomever is without sin shbeal is a nice addendum that wasn't said by Jesus..

anyhow, in light of the Iranian woman to be stoned much to Sarkozy's naked wife's protest (funny they are so concerned about one woman but don't seem to care for millions others, whether Muslims/Gypsies or whatever but I digress) and an intervention from the Vatican, I thought I'd re-bump this thread!

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam / Peace

If anyone missed the news , here it is.

Vatican: stoning in Iran adultery case 'brutal'

By FRANCES D'EMILIO (AP) – 6 hours ago

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican raised the possibility Sunday of using behind-the-scenes diplomacy to try to save the life of an Iranian widow sentenced to be stoned for adultery.
In its first public statement on the case, which has attracted worldwide attention, the Vatican decried stoning as a particularly brutal form of capital punishment.


Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said the Catholic church opposes the death penalty in general.
It is unclear what chances any Vatican bid would have to persuade the Muslim nation to spare the woman's life. Brazil, which has friendly relations with Iran, was rebuffed when it offered her asylum.
Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani was convicted in 2006 of adultery. In July, Iranian authorities said they would not carry out the stoning sentence for the time being, but the mother of two could still face execution by hanging for adultery and other offenses.
Her son, Sajad, told the Italian news agency Adnkronos that he was appealing to Pope Benedict XVI and to Italy to work to stop the execution.
Lombardi told The Associated Press that no formal appeal had reached the Vatican. But he hinted that Vatican diplomacy might be employed to try to save Ashtiani.
Lombardi said in a statement that the Holy See "is following the case with attention and interest."
"When the Holy See is asked, in an appropriate way, to intervene in humanitarian issues with the authorities of other countries, as it has happened many times in the past, it does so not in a public way, but through its own diplomatic channels," Lombardi said in the statement.
In one of the late Pope John Paul II's encyclicals in 1995, the pontiff laid out the Catholic Church's stance against capital punishment.
John Paul went to bat in several high-profile cases of death-row inmates in the United States. One of the first was the case of Paula Cooper, who was convicted of murdering her elderly Bible teacher when she was 15 but spared the electric chair by Indiana in 1989.

But that same year, a papal appeal for clemency to Cuba to spare a war hero and three other Cuban officers convicted of drug trafficking from the firing squad went unheeded.
Meanwhile, Italy's foreign minister, Franco Frattini, told the ANSA news agency that while Italy respects Iranian sovereignty and isn't in any way interfering, "a gesture of clemency from Iran is the only thing that can save her."


Italy has strong economic ties, primarily energy interests, in Iran.
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[Al-Yasa]

stoning is wrong

i mean the punishment was there for its time

there are better and more humane methods out there

 

[جوري]

stoning is wrong

i mean the punishment was there for its time

there are better and more humane methods out there

Stoning is not wrong, so long as people commit primitive ancient crimes, the punishment remains the same, that being said, I'd recommend you read the thread in totality and see if the conditions are actually met for such a punishment to take place.. in fact in accordance to Islamic jurisprudence it is almost impossible to prove such a crime unless those committing it choose to fornicate in public in plain eye view to multiple witnesses!