Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

[azc]

@twdt : https://islamqa.info/en/27075 http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?291077-The-seven-gates-of-hell

 

[azc]

https://www.islamicboard.com/clarifications-about-islam/134269975-muslims-hell.html

 

[TDWT]

Anyone who heard about Islam but disbelieved after the message came to him shall be thrown to hell.

We have to understand that nobody will stay in hell forever except the worst of people.

And Allah is the most just!

You keep saying the worst of people. but the thing is, there are many non muslims who die and have done a lot of good(i.e mother teresa for example, how are they the worst of people? And there are those who die suffering as well, how are they the worst?

 

[TDWT]

@twdt : https://islamqa.info/en/27075 http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?291077-The-seven-gates-of-hell

Still, does it really matter? Hell is hell. They are still being tortured forever, it doesn't make a difference? Would you even want to go to the lowest hell? No.

 

[azc]

Still, does it really matter? Hell is hell. They are still being tortured forever, it doesn't make a difference? Would you even want to go to the lowest hell? No.

what do you want ? Should there not be difference between a believer and a non believer..? You mean non believer should also be placed in paradise if he'd suffered in this world..? Should there not be any punishment for kufr..?

 

[azc]

You keep saying the worst of people. but the thing is, there are many non muslims who die and have done a lot of good(i.e mother teresa for example, how are they the worst of people? And there are those who die suffering as well, how are they the worst?

there are different levels for believers and non believers in heaven and hell respectively

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you TDWT;

Still, does it really matter? Hell is hell. They are still being tortured forever, it doesn't make a difference? Would you even want to go to the lowest hell? No.

Allah is more compassionate, just, merciful and forgiving than you are, we have only to look at his 99 names. The challenge is for us to strive to be the same. Allah has chosen you to be a wonderful Muslim, so this is your struggle in life.

The same Allah has chosen me to be a Christian, and this is my struggle in life. I am a Catholic, we are probably one of the more dogmatic religions of the world, and there was a time, when Catholics thought that even Christians of other denominations, would go to hell. A few hundred years ago, and not far from where I live, Christians were killing each other, for being in the wrong denomination. This does not go well with the command to love and pray for our enemies.

The problem is not that God was unjust, the problem is that we can become unjust to people who are different to us.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[Abdullah910]

You keep saying the worst of people. but the thing is, there are many non muslims who die and have done a lot of good(i.e mother teresa for example, how are they the worst of people? And there are those who die suffering as well, how are they the worst?

[h=2]But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he finds it is nothing but finds Allah before Him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allah is swift in account. An-Nur 39[/h]

 

[Scimitar]

TWDT, I posted this earlier and am still awaiting your reply:

My questions will lead you to understand why your question is based on emotion and not theo-logic! in sha Allah. And the appeal to emotion, is always weak!

First question:

I wonder why you believe God created us?

Looking forward to your answer.

Scimi

 

[AabiruSabeel]

The same Allah has chosen me to be a Christian...

I disagree with you here. Allah has given you the opportunity to interact with Muslims and learn about the truth of Islam for several years and you have chosen to stay on Christianity yourself. One cannot blame Allah for not actively choosing to follow the truth after becoming aware of it.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you AabiruSabeel;

I disagree with you here. Allah has given you the opportunity to interact with Muslims and learn about the truth of Islam for several years and you have chosen to stay on Christianity yourself.

I have a great respect for my Muslim brothers and sisters on this forum, I sense you have a deep and profound faith in Allah. However, I too have experienced a number of profound events in my life, when faith through Christianity has meant the difference between death and life.

One cannot blame Allah for not actively choosing to follow the truth after becoming aware of it.

It seems beyond our understanding, as to why the same Allah would allow us to understand him, through diverse faiths. My hope in being on this forum, has always been to see if we could foster greater interfaith friendships, despite our differences. I believe the greater enemy of our faiths is not each other, but rather, temptation, apathy and secularism.

In the spirit of searching for a greater meaning of 'One God'

Eric

 

[Scimitar]

My hope in being on this forum, has always been to see if we could foster greater interfaith friendships, despite our differences. I believe the greater enemy of our faiths is not each other, but rather, temptation, apathy and secularism.

May I refer to these as the unholy trinity?

In the spirit of searching for a greater meaning of 'One God'

Eric

Ameen.

Brother, with regard to choice - I believe God gave us the choice to be Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist etc or to have no belief - that's what free will is, what we do with it is up to us - so you "choosing to remain a Christian", in my opinion, is a far more accurate statement than "The same Allah has chosen me to be Christian" if you follow my train of thought,

God bless,

Scimi

 

[AabiruSabeel]

It seems beyond our understanding, as to why the same Allah would allow us to understand him, through diverse faiths. My hope in being on this forum, has always been to see if we could foster greater interfaith friendships, despite our differences. I believe the greater enemy of our faiths is not each other, but rather, temptation, apathy and secularism.

In the spirit of searching for a greater meaning of 'One God'

Eric

Greetings Eric,

If I am not mistaken, you already believe that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, the One and Only God. That means you don't believe in the divinity of 'Isa :as:, right?

Do you believe in the prophethood of Muhammad ?

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حم
تَنزِيلُ الْكِتَابِ مِنَ اللَّهِ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
غَافِرِ الذَّنبِ وَقَابِلِ التَّوْبِ شَدِيدِ الْعِقَابِ ذِي الطَّوْلِ ۖ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۖ إِلَيْهِ الْمَصِيرُ
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Ha, Meem.
The revelation of the Book is from Allah , the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.
The forgiver of sin, acceptor of repentance, severe in punishment, owner of abundance. There is no deity except Him; to Him is the destination. [40:1-3]

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا
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O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. [4:171]

وَقَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ وَلَدًا
لَّقَدْ جِئْتُمْ شَيْئًا إِدًّا
تَكَادُ السَّمَاوَاتُ يَتَفَطَّرْنَ مِنْهُ وَتَنشَقُّ الْأَرْضُ وَتَخِرُّ الْجِبَالُ هَدًّا
أَن دَعَوْا لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ وَلَدًا
وَمَا يَنبَغِي لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ أَن يَتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا
إِن كُلُّ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِلَّا آتِي الرَّحْمَٰنِ عَبْدًا
لَّقَدْ أَحْصَاهُمْ وَعَدَّهُمْ عَدًّا
وَكُلُّهُمْ آتِيهِ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَرْدًا
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And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son."
You have done an atrocious thing.
The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation
That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.
There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.
He has enumerated them and counted them a [full] counting.
And all of them are coming to Him on the Day of Resurrection alone. [19:88-95]

وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّا نَصَارَىٰ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَهُمْ فَنَسُوا حَظًّا مِّمَّا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ فَأَغْرَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاءَ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ۚ وَسَوْفَ يُنَبِّئُهُمُ اللَّهُ بِمَا كَانُوا يَصْنَعُونَ
يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ قَدْ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولُنَا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُمْ كَثِيرًا مِّمَّا كُنتُمْ تُخْفُونَ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَيَعْفُو عَن كَثِيرٍ ۚ قَدْ جَاءَكُم مِّنَ اللَّهِ نُورٌ وَكِتَابٌ مُّبِينٌ
يَهْدِي بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضْوَانَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلَامِ وَيُخْرِجُهُم مِّنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِهِ وَيَهْدِيهِمْ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ
لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ ۚ قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِي الْأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا ۗ وَلِلَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا ۚ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ
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And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.
They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent. [5:14-17]

لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ ۖ وَقَالَ الْمَسِيحُ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ ۖ إِنَّهُ مَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ الْجَنَّةَ وَمَأْوَاهُ النَّارُ ۖ وَمَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ مِنْ أَنصَارٍ
لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلَاثَةٍ ۘ وَمَا مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ إِلَّا إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۚ وَإِن لَّمْ يَنتَهُوا عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ
أَفَلَا يَتُوبُونَ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَهُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ ۖ كَانَا يَأْكُلَانِ الطَّعَامَ ۗ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ
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They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [5:72-75]

حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مَعْبَدُ بْنُ هِلاَلٍ الْعَنَزِيُّ، قَالَ اجْتَمَعْنَا نَاسٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْبَصْرَةِ فَذَهَبْنَا إِلَى أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ وَذَهَبْنَا مَعَنَا بِثَابِتٍ إِلَيْهِ يَسْأَلُهُ لَنَا عَنْ حَدِيثِ الشَّفَاعَةِ، فَإِذَا هُوَ فِي قَصْرِهِ فَوَافَقْنَاهُ يُصَلِّي الضُّحَى، فَاسْتَأْذَنَّا، فَأَذِنَ لَنَا وَهْوَ قَاعِدٌ عَلَى فِرَاشِهِ فَقُلْنَا لِثَابِتٍ لاَ تَسْأَلْهُ عَنْ شَىْءٍ أَوَّلَ مِنْ حَدِيثِ الشَّفَاعَةِ فَقَالَ يَا أَبَا حَمْزَةَ هَؤُلاَءِ إِخْوَانُكَ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْبَصْرَةِ جَاءُوكَ يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنْ حَدِيثِ الشَّفَاعَةِ‏.‏ فَقَالَ حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدٌ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ إِذَا كَانَ يَوْمُ الْقِيَامَةِ مَاجَ النَّاسُ بَعْضُهُمْ فِي بَعْضٍ فَيَأْتُونَ آدَمَ فَيَقُولُونَ اشْفَعْ لَنَا إِلَى رَبِّكَ‏.‏ فَيَقُولُ لَسْتُ لَهَا وَلَكِنْ عَلَيْكُمْ بِإِبْرَاهِيمَ فَإِنَّهُ خَلِيلُ الرَّحْمَنِ‏.‏ فَيَأْتُونَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ فَيَقُولُ لَسْتُ لَهَا وَلَكِنْ عَلَيْكُمْ بِمُوسَى فَإِنَّهُ كَلِيمُ اللَّهِ‏.‏ فَيَأْتُونَ مُوسَى فَيَقُولُ لَسْتُ لَهَا وَلَكِنْ عَلَيْكُمْ بِعِيسَى فَإِنَّهُ رُوحُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ‏.‏ فَيَأْتُونَ عِيسَى فَيَقُولُ لَسْتُ لَهَا وَلَكِنْ عَلَيْكُمْ بِمُحَمَّدٍ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَيَأْتُونِي فَأَقُولُ أَنَا لَهَا‏.‏ فَأَسْتَأْذِنُ عَلَى رَبِّي فَيُؤْذَنُ لِي وَيُلْهِمُنِي مَحَامِدَ أَحْمَدُهُ بِهَا لاَ تَحْضُرُنِي الآنَ، فَأَحْمَدُهُ بِتِلْكَ الْمَحَامِدِ وَأَخِرُّ لَهُ سَاجِدًا فَيُقَالُ يَا مُحَمَّدُ ارْفَعْ رَأْسَكَ، وَقُلْ يُسْمَعْ لَكَ، وَسَلْ تُعْطَ، وَاشْفَعْ تُشَفَّعْ‏.‏ فَأَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ أُمَّتِي أُمَّتِي‏.‏ فَيُقَالُ انْطَلِقْ فَأَخْرِجْ مَنْ كَانَ فِي قَلْبِهِ مِثْقَالُ شَعِيرَةٍ مِنْ إِيمَانٍ‏.‏ فَأَنْطَلِقُ فَأَفْعَلُ ثُمَّ أَعُودُ فَأَحْمَدُهُ بِتِلْكَ الْمَحَامِدِ، ثُمَّ أَخِرُّ لَهُ سَاجِدًا فَيُقَالُ يَا مُحَمَّدُ ارْفَعْ رَأْسَكَ، وَقُلْ يُسْمَعْ لَكَ، وَسَلْ تُعْطَ، وَاشْفَعْ تُشَفَّعْ، فَأَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ أُمَّتِي أُمَّتِي‏.‏ فَيُقَالُ انْطَلِقْ فَأَخْرِجْ مِنْهَا مَنْ كَانَ فِي قَلْبِهِ مِثْقَالُ ذَرَّةٍ أَوْ خَرْدَلَةٍ مِنْ إِيمَانٍ‏.‏ فَأَنْطَلِقُ فَأَفْعَلُ ثُمَّ أَعُودُ فَأَحْمَدُهُ بِتِلْكَ الْمَحَامِدِ، ثُمَّ أَخِرُّ لَهُ سَاجِدًا فَيُقَالُ يَا مُحَمَّدُ ارْفَعْ رَأْسَكَ، وَقُلْ يُسْمَعْ لَكَ، وَسَلْ تُعْطَ، وَاشْفَعْ تُشَفَّعْ‏.‏ فَأَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ أُمَّتِي أُمَّتِي‏.‏ فَيَقُولُ انْطَلِقْ فَأَخْرِجْ مَنْ كَانَ فِي قَلْبِهِ أَدْنَى أَدْنَى أَدْنَى مِثْقَالِ حَبَّةِ خَرْدَلٍ مِنْ إِيمَانٍ، فَأَخْرِجْهُ مِنَ النَّارِ‏.‏ فَأَنْطَلِقُ فَأَفْعَلُ ‏"‏‏.‏ فَلَمَّا خَرَجْنَا مِنْ عِنْدِ أَنَسٍ قُلْتُ لِبَعْضِ أَصْحَابِنَا لَوْ مَرَرْنَا بِالْحَسَنِ وَهْوَ مُتَوَارٍ فِي مَنْزِلِ أَبِي خَلِيفَةَ فَحَدَّثَنَا بِمَا حَدَّثَنَا أَنَسُ بْنُ مَالِكٍ، فَأَتَيْنَاهُ فَسَلَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِ فَأَذِنَ لَنَا فَقُلْنَا لَهُ يَا أَبَا سَعِيدٍ جِئْنَاكَ مِنْ عِنْدِ أَخِيكَ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ فَلَمْ نَرَ مِثْلَ مَا حَدَّثَنَا فِي الشَّفَاعَةِ، فَقَالَ هِيهِ، فَحَدَّثْنَاهُ بِالْحَدِيثِ فَانْتَهَى إِلَى هَذَا الْمَوْضِعِ فَقَالَ هِيهِ، فَقُلْنَا لَمْ يَزِدْ لَنَا عَلَى هَذَا‏.‏ فَقَالَ لَقَدْ حَدَّثَنِي وَهْوَ جَمِيعٌ مُنْذُ عِشْرِينَ سَنَةً فَلاَ أَدْرِي أَنَسِيَ أَمْ كَرِهَ أَنْ تَتَّكِلُوا‏.‏ قُلْنَا يَا أَبَا سَعِيدٍ فَحَدِّثْنَا، فَضَحِكَ وَقَالَ خُلِقَ الإِنْسَانُ عَجُولاً مَا ذَكَرْتُهُ إِلاَّ وَأَنَا أُرِيدُ أَنْ أُحَدِّثَكُمْ حَدَّثَنِي كَمَا حَدَّثَكُمْ بِهِ قَالَ ‏"‏ ثُمَّ أَعُودُ الرَّابِعَةَ فَأَحْمَدُهُ بِتِلْكَ، ثُمَّ أَخِرُّ لَهُ سَاجِدًا فَيُقَالُ يَا مُحَمَّدُ ارْفَعْ رَأْسَكَ وَقُلْ يُسْمَعْ، وَسَلْ تُعْطَهْ، وَاشْفَعْ تُشَفَّعْ‏.‏ فَأَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ ائْذَنْ لِي فِيمَنْ قَالَ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ‏.‏ فَيَقُولُ وَعِزَّتِي وَجَلاَلِي وَكِبْرِيَائِي وَعَظَمَتِي لأُخْرِجَنَّ مِنْهَا مَنْ قَالَ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ ‏"‏‏.
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Narrated Ma`bad bin Hilal Al-`Anzi :ra::

We, i.e., some people from Basra gathered and went to Anas bin Malik, and we went in company with Thabit Al-Bunnani so that he might ask him about the Hadith of Intercession on our behalf. Behold, Anas was in his palace, and our arrival coincided with his Duha prayer. We asked permission to enter and he admitted us while he was sitting on his bed. We said to Thabit, "Do not ask him about anything else first but the Hadith of Intercession." He said, "O Abu Hamza! There are your brethren from Basra coming to ask you about the Hadith of Intercession." Anas then said, "Muhammad talked to us saying, 'On the Day of Resurrection the people will surge with each other like waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, 'Please intercede for us with your Lord.' He will say, 'I am not fit for that but you'd better go to Abraham as he is the Khalil of the Beneficent.' They will go to Abraham and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Moses as he is the one to whom Allah spoke directly.' So they will go to Moses and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Jesus as he is a soul created by Allah and His Word.' (Be: And it was) they will go to Jesus and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Muhammad.' They would come to me and I would say, 'I am for that.' Then I will ask for my Lord's permission, and it will be given, and then He will inspire me to praise Him with such praises as I do not know now. So I will praise Him with those praises and will fall down, prostrate before Him. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for your will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My followers!' And then it will be said, 'Go and take out of Hell (Fire) all those who have faith in their hearts, equal to the weight of a barley grain.' I will go and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down (prostrate) before Him. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My followers!' It will be said, 'Go and take out of it all those who have faith in their hearts equal to the weight of a small ant or a mustard seed.' I will go and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down in prostration before Him. It will be said, 'O, Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers!' Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of the Fire.' I will go and do so."'
When we left Anas, I said to some of my companions, "Let's pass by Al-Hasan who is hiding himself in the house of Abi Khalifa and request him to tell us what Anas bin Malik has told us." So we went to him and we greeted him and he admitted us. We said to him, "O Abu Sa`id! We came to you from your brother Anas Bin Malik and he related to us a Hadith about the intercession the like of which I have never heard." He said, "What is that?" Then we told him of the Hadith and said, "He stopped at this point (of the Hadith)." He said, "What then?" We said, "He did not add anything to that." He said, Anas related the Hadith to me twenty years ago when he was a young fellow. I don't know whether he forgot or if he did not like to let you depend on what he might have said." We said, "O Abu Sa`id ! Let us know that." He smiled and said, "Man was created hasty. I did not mention that, but that I wanted to inform you of it. Anas told me the same as he told you and said that the Prophet added, 'I then return for a fourth time and praise Him similarly and prostrate before Him. It will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request): and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted .' I will say, 'O Lord, allow me to intercede for whoever said, 'None has the right to be worshiped except Allah.' Then Allah will say, 'By my Power, and my Majesty, and by My Supremacy, and by My Greatness, I will take out of Hell (Fire) whoever said: 'None has the right to be worshipped except Allah.' '' [Bukhari: Book 98, Hadith 7603]

الر ۚ تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْكِتَابِ وَقُرْآنٍ مُّبِينٍ
رُّبَمَا يَوَدُّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَوْ كَانُوا مُسْلِمِينَ
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Alif, Lam, Ra. These are the Ayats of Revelation,- of a Qur'an that makes things clear.
Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to Allah's will) in Islam. [15:1-2]

وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الْإِسْلَامِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
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And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. [3:85]

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Scimitar my friend;

May I refer to these as the unholy trinity?

I shall ask my baker and mechanic friend, one of them puts oil in his doughnuts, the other one puts jam in his engines.

Brother, with regard to choice - I believe God gave us the choice to be Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist etc or to have no belief - that's what free will is, what we do with it is up to us - so you "choosing to remain a Christian", in my opinion, is a far more accurate statement than "The same Allah has chosen me to be Christian" if you follow my train of thought,

From my perception, Allah has chosen you to be a wonderful Muslim, so having chosen you to be a Muslim, I cannot see why he would then want you to become a Christian afterwards. By the same token, the same God has made the Christian message the more powerful one to me.

We will never understand God in this life, and I have often said that scripture seems to become more powerful when we use it to try and change ourselves, rather than when we use it to try and change others. When I see Muslims on this forum struggling with their faith, I feel I can sometimes help them in an Islamic way. I would not try and pass on a Christian message to them.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you AabiruSabeel;

Greetings Eric,

I have always been made to feel welcome here over the years, and I thank you all for your kindness and for the patience you have shown me. There are also times when I feel that because I have not become a Muslim, that this creates a tension. If this is the case, then maybe I should retire from this forum, because I do not want to be the cause of any problems or division.

May Allah bless you all, and those you love and care for,

Eric

 

[AabiruSabeel]

There are also times when I feel that because I have not become a Muslim, that this creates a tension. If this is the case, then maybe I should retire from this forum, because I do not want to be the cause of any problems or division.

Not at all, I'm not sure why my post gives that impression. You're most welcome here. I was simply trying to understand what exactly is holding you back from believing in the prophethood of Muhammad , and that of 'Isa :as:. Our job is simply to deliver the message. It is your choice whether to accept Islam or not. Most of the time, it seems very difficult to change the path we have always been following.
Nevertheless, you are always welcome on board and we sincerely hope that one day you will become a true Muslim :ia:

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you AabiruSabeel;

You're most welcome here.

Thank you, that is very kind and reassuring.

we sincerely hope that one day you will become a true Muslim :ia:

I understand the sincerity behind your hope, but the mystery is still why would the same God allow so many faiths?

When I was searching for a faith about twenty years ago, my mum went into a coma, she was rushed to hospital, and the doctors said she had days to live. Her breathing was a horrible gurgling sound, they call this the death rattle. My mum had a faith, so we thought we should call a priest, and as the priest prayed, my mum's breathing relaxed. About ten minutes after the priest left, my mum recovered and lived another eleven years.

A number of other life changing events happened afterwards to do with faith. I can only say, that for me this was a clear calling to the Christian faith.

I have also heard Muslims on this forum, talking about similar miracles that happened in their lives, God works in mysterious ways.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[Scimitar]

Greetings and peace be with you Scimitar my friend;

I shall ask my baker and mechanic friend, one of them puts oil in his doughnuts, the other one puts jam in his engines.

Pwahahahaaaa goodun Eric wahahaaa. You owe me a new shirt, got coffee on mine now

From my perception, Allah has chosen you to be a wonderful Muslim, so having chosen you to be a Muslim, I cannot see why he would then want you to become a Christian afterwards. By the same token, the same God has made the Christian message the more powerful one to me.

We will never understand God in this life, and I have often said that scripture seems to become more powerful when we use it to try and change ourselves, rather than when we use it to try and change others. When I see Muslims on this forum struggling with their faith, I feel I can sometimes help them in an Islamic way. I would not try and pass on a Christian message to them.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

Amen to the prayer,

I was born a Muslim, and I apostated, then returned to Islam. When I tell my story, I sometimes mention how Allah chose me to come to belief, and other times - how I graduated towards belief.

What is the truth?

Allahu Alam.

I can honestly say, I was being tested with BIG QUESTIONS, like "why am I here? what is the point to it all? xyz" but I didn't give up. I challenged the faiths. Islam was out of the question for me because I'd already left it. And though I was being invited by Allah back to islam, i was too ignorant to see it for what it was, and so, I studied the other faith groups, as many as i could find. Judaism, the various Christianities, Buddhism, Bahai'sm, Confucianism, The Tao, Tengriism, and eastern animism, the full works - none of it was making sense, the closest I got to getting any answers was in Judaism. But I quickly discovered the Jews are as divided as secularism is today and further discovered, it was a dead end because I was not from the twelve tribes so i coudn't be a Jew - I was loving Judaism up til this point but then asked "Is God racist? is he selective of which peoples get the invite to truth? and if so, how is this a just God?"

So I went to my local library, and spoke to a Rabbi who is elderly and he told me some home truths. He said, He believes that God chose Islam as the promise HE gave to the descendants of Abraham - through his first seed, Ishmael (pbut). And this is how the world will come to question faith, due to the polemic debates and discussions arising from the discousrse of intellectuals from the islamic world with people of other or no faiths... and he was right. The interest in Islam today is at an all time high - while the world moves towards its curtain call.

So - with much deliberation, I picked up arberry's copy of the Qur'an, and I went from there.

This was the first time I had picked up a Qur'an to actually understand what it had taught - before this, I could simply read and write but not understand what i was reciting.

That was the invitation.

I chose to be a Muslim, due to being convinced that Islam is the correct faith. Not because I was born into it. The idea is, we choose. Free will.

Allahu Akbar

Scimi

 

[ardianto]

can you give the source please ?

Every hadith has "asbabul wurud", or cause that made that hadith spoken. The asbabul wurud behind that hadith was a case after battle between Muslims and mushrikeen that won by Muslims. However, some Muslims did not stop to kill the enemy, even they killed children from mushrikeen tribe. Then Miqdad ibn Aswad (ra) reported it to Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasalam. When Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasalam asked why they killed those children, someone said that's because those children were mushrikeen. Then Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasalam replied with ..... (that hadith).

This asbabul wurud featured in the book that written by Ibnu Hamzah Al-Husaini Al-Hanafi ad-Damsyiqi. A muhadith and Muslim historian.

 

[azc]

Every hadith has "asbabul wurud", or cause that made that hadith spoken. The asbabul wurud behind that hadith was a case after battle between Muslims and mushrikeen that won by Muslims. However, some Muslims did not stop to kill the enemy, even they killed children from mushrikeen tribe. Then Miqdad ibn Aswad (ra) reported it to Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasalam. When Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasalam asked why they killed those children, someone said that's because those children were mushrikeen. Then Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasalam replied with ..... (that hadith).This asbabul wurud featured in the book that written by Ibnu Hamzah Al-Husaini Al-Hanafi ad-Damsyiqi. A muhadith and Muslim historian.

thanks bro.........!!!