Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

[TDWT]

lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

If you're a Muslim, then you have to believe everything the religion teaches...

Peace

 

[Supernova]

Asalaamualaykum.
Dear brother in Islam - you must seriously contemplate that Allah SWT is the supreme controller of the entire universe.

So when you say that you feel that it is "cruel" you are implicating Allah SWT as being cruel which is entirely against the Sifath of Allah SWT & puts your imaan at risk - (In fact, scholars of the past would have immediately declared Kufr upon you for even saying that)

This problem of yours generally stems from a lack of understanding (or in some cases total lack of knowledge) about the 99 Names/Qualities of Allah SWT.

So as to relax your mind on this issue, you must understand that Allah SWT is Al-Adl (The one who has the highest calibre of justice). You on the other hand have limited Adl. If you continue to read and ponder upon the 99 names of Allah SWT, you will come to realise your real position in front of Allah SWT.
You & I in reality with limited intelligence, justice, compassion ETC will never understand the system of our creator who possesses unlimited intelligence Etc.
Based on this you cannot question the system of Allah SWT.

I suggest that you take some time - sit with an Aalim and ask him to briefly explain the Sifath of Allah SWT.

Because you asked the question doesnt make you a bad person as you probably have a lack of ilm and that you brought you to this thought.

We are all learning through the slalom of life.
Wasalaam.

 

[TDWT]

Asalaamualaykum.
Dear brother in Islam - you must seriously contemplate that Allah SWT is the supreme controller of the entire universe.

So when you say that you feel that it is "cruel" you are implicating Allah SWT as being cruel which is entirely against the Sifath of Allah SWT & puts your imaan at risk - (In fact, scholars of the past would have immediately declared Kufr upon you for even saying that)

This problem of yours generally stems from a lack of understanding (or in some cases total lack of knowledge) about the 99 Names/Qualities of Allah SWT.

So as to relax your mind on thi

s issue, you must understand that Allah SWT is Al-Adl (The one who has the highest calibre of justice). You on the other hand have limited Adl. If you continue to read and ponder upon the 99 names of Allah SWT, you will come to realise your real position in front of Allah SWT.
You & I in reality with limited intelligence, justice, compassion ETC will never understand the system of our creator who possesses unlimited intelligence Etc.
Based on this you cannot question the system of Allah SWT.

I suggest that you take some time - sit with an Aalim and ask him to briefly explain the Sifath of Allah SWT.

Because you asked the question doesnt make you a bad person as you probably have a lack of ilm and that you brought you to this thought.

We are all learning through the slalom of life.
Wasalaam.

That doesn't answer anything frankly. Honestly, when I see all these non muslims who are suffering around the world and i have to think 'if they're not muslims, they get to suffer even worse in the next life, I am really not ok with that to be honest. What are you trying to say:

1. That I don't know if they'll die non muslim, so leave it up to god?

or

2. It doesn't matter if they were suffering or not, as non muslims they deserve to go to hell due to gods wisdom and i shouldn't question it?

Are you trying to tell me 1 or 2?

 

[Supernova]

That doesn't answer anything frankly. Honestly, when I see all these non muslims who are suffering around the world and i have to think 'if they're not muslims, they get to suffer even worse in the next life, I am really not ok with that to be honest.

Asalaamualaykum

Well in that case i will inform you that you putting your own imaan at possible risk.

Think about what you are saying - you are saying that have more Adl than Allah SWT who is Al-Adl.

That is a serious issue brother. Take my advice, speak to an Scholar about it.

 

[TDWT]

Asalaamualaykum

Well in that case i will inform you that you putting your own imaan at possible risk.

Think about what you are saying - you are saying that have more Adl than Allah SWT who is Al-Adl.

That is a serious issue brother. Take my advice, speak to an Scholar about it.

Ok, when you mention justice, what are you trying to say:

1. That I don't know if they'll die non muslim, so leave it up to god?

or

2. It doesn't matter if they were suffering or not, as non muslims they deserve to go to hell due to gods wisdom and i shouldn't question it?

Are you trying to tell me 1 or 2?

 

[AbdurRahman.]

they are suffering in this world as a punishment, but since kufr and shirk are unforgiveable sins, they continue to get punished in hereafter; it's their own faults as they have bee warned, if if they want to ignore these warnings, in a way they themselves are asking for the eternal punishment for by rejecting faith they are basically saying 'big deal we dont care if we go to hell'

 

[M.I.A.]

lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?

..yeah i havent got time to question the unfortunate..

before i offer them anything.

although the charity collectors are mostly muslim.

...
i suppose if they were good then god would have fed and provided for them? no?

o_0

:|

 

[Supernova]

Ok, when you mention justice, what are you trying to say:

1. That I don't know if they'll die non muslim, so leave it up to god?

or

2. It doesn't matter if they were suffering or not, as non muslims they deserve to go to hell due to gods wisdom and i shouldn't question it?

Are you trying to tell me 1 or 2?

Asalaamualaykum

Read my two posts again.

I gave you very kind advice and even advised you to speak to an Aalim.

 

[TDWT]

Asalaamualaykum

Read my two posts again.

I gave you very kind advice and even advised you to speak to an Aalim.

I did, but could you please explain which of these you meant actually? regards

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?

Brother, it's wonderful that you feel compassion towards other human beings and feel sympathy for their plight. Thank you for your question, and we hope that this as an issue is answered in a manner that satisfies your mind, heart, and soul if Allah wills:

First and foremost, please know that non-Muslims are also given reprieve from Hell-fire given these four conditions as explained in hadith (prophetic tradition) and they would given a test to determine if they are those who would be from those willing to submit themselves to Allah (God):

“Four types of people will be tested on the day of judgement: a deaf man who cannot hear anything, a mad man, an old aged man and a man who died during fatrah (a period of time when no messenger was sent to people). The deaf man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I cannot hear anything!” The mad man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while the boys throw animals’ excrement on me!”. The old aged man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I can understand nothing.” And the man who died during a fatrah will say: “Oh Allah, I witnessed no messenger from You.” Then Allah takes a promise from them to obey Him. Then He will command them to enter hell, and who enters it will find it peace and cool, and who disobeys will be dragged to hell.”

So, we learn from this that there are people who will come to be excused if there is a valid reason that they did not come to Islam, such as those that are deaf, those that are judged to have had anything which impaired their mental judgment whether insanity or manic depression or other defect, those that are too old to have heard of Islam when Islam came to understand the Message, and those that died during the period between messengers. Also, scholars have included in this excuse the people who've never heard or learned of Islam for whatever reason. Moreover, Imam Ghazali (may Allah bless him), one of the most notable scholars of Islam from whom we have many great works and writings on topics in Islam, also held that to be the case for people who heard of Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) but didn't have the means to learn of his :saws: true character and therefore were fed defamatory propaganda or falsehoods about him :saws:.

“and your Lord treats no one with injustice” (al-Kahf 18:49)

Allah says that Allah is Most Merciful as that's an attribute of Him, and therefore we already know that Allah does not have any person bear a burden that they're unable to bear. So, if anyone has a valid excuse, then Allah would know of it, and for sure Allah's Mercy will encompass that person so that person is judged to be have an excuse and will be given a test on Judgment Day to determine whether he/she would have been one who would submit his/her will to Allah (God).

Moreover, the issue is also complicated by the truth that we're as Muslims not allowed to say of any non-Muslim as to whether he is in Hell or Paradise and that's because we know that Allah's Mercy can reach anyone any second and that that person may have died as a believer (even if the outward world and people do not recognize it to be the case because of not knowing a person's intent and mind in the throes of death). Instead, as Muslims, we can only say that their case is with Allah. At the most, what we're as Muslims allowed to do is make general statements about the characteristics of people who will enter Hell-Fire without naming or thinking specific persons are the recipient of that abode.

Finally, in a larger hadith (prophetic tradition) of which I'm only quoting the relevant portion, we also learn the following:

“So, by Allah the One, a man amongst you may do good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly, a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise.”

So, what that again means is that there may appear to us a non-Muslim who is destined to be in Hell due to his/her outward deeds and expressions, but he/she may be one who is destined for Paradise, and that would not be in the realm of our knowledge because the divine decree can overtake that person any time before his/her death, even in the last moments before death. And it may be that there may appear to us a Muslim who is destined to be in Paradise due to his/her outward deeds and expressions, but he/she may be one who is destined for Hell, and that would not be in the realm of our knowledge because the divine decree can overtake that person any time before his/her death, even in the last moments before death. So, basically, a Muslim can lose his iman (faith) even in the last moments and a non-Muslim can gain iman (faith) even in the last moments; so, no Muslim should be arrogant enough to be confident that his/her fate is Paradise so as to then feel free to judge others as to who can enter Paradise and who will enter Hell. Instead, we should always remember that the gatekeeper to Paradise is Allah, not us as human beings with limited knowledge. So, simply in humility and submission to Allah in maintaining a balance between fear of the worst and hope for the best, we should constantly ask Allah as Muslims to grant us Paradise and keep us and those dear and near to us safe from Hell-Fire. Also, we should unceasingly ask guidance for ourselves and others (including non-Muslims) because guidance is the gateway to Paradise, and we should desire that others receive that same Mercy as we should like that for ourselves.

Take care. Thank you again for your question, brother, and we hope that moving forward you are given new insight into look at even non-Muslims as potential Paradise-dwellers.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[TDWT]

Well, I was just worried about that there are those who do die non muslim even while suffering. Like for example, a christian friend of mine lost his mother in a car accident and she didn't seem like a bad person. I have a hard time judging that she'll be in hell.

 

[M.I.A.]

islam came to me while i was poor and oppressed..

working 8 days a week... "/ 10 days a week.

..dont mess it up..

all these people asking for help and i didnt have much to give.


..."if you dont have money, then who does?"

..
...
i feel its not about making money.. although not quite at clarity yet.

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Well, I was just worried about that there are those who do die non muslim even while suffering. Like for example, a christian friend of mine lost his mother in a car accident and she didn't seem like a bad person. I have a hard time judging that she'll be in hell.

Then, be at ease and relaxed, brother, for you're neither given the authority nor the means to judge any person's fate in the Hereafter, as this is a domain only of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. We do not know anyone's fate in the Hereafter, not even our own.

All we know is that her case, as will our case, rest with Allah, the moment we die.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Serinity]

Know that Allah :swt: is Just so He :swt: won't do Injustice to anyone. He :swt: will oppress no one. Because Allah is Just, not an oppressor.

So be at ease with the fact that Allah is just, and will oppress none. If a kafir never heard of Islam or heard a message that is masked as Islam but not - Allah will know that.

Allahu alam.

 

[TDWT]

Know that Allah :swt: is Just so He :swt: won't do Injustice to anyone. He :swt: will oppress no one. Because Allah is Just, not an oppressor.

So be at ease with the fact that Allah is just, and will oppress none. If a kafir never heard of Islam or heard a message that is masked as Islam but not - Allah will know that.

Allahu alam.

Yes, but of course there are those who have heard of islam and still suffer regardless, I just struggle to accept that they should suffer even worst in the afterlife

 

[aaj]

According to Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, the basic principle is that the issue of who will go to Paradise and who will go to Hell is the matter of ‘aqeedah based on what is said in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and there is no room for reasoning or ijtihaad in this matter.

You should note that all the kaafirs who hear the message of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and do not enter Islam will go to Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’aan and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikoon will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures” [al-Bayyinah 98:6]

Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say that the people who lived during the fatrah (interval between two Prophets) will be tested on the Day of Resurrection.

This is the most correct view among the various opinions concerning the people who lived during the fatrah (interval between two Prophets) and others whom the call did not reach, and it is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah and his student Ibn al-Qayyim, and a number of the earlier and later generations.

https://islamqa.info/en/13350


So it's really that simple.

Those who die before hitting puberty are considered children and free from sin. Those we received the message of Islam and deny it will go to hell, those who did not receive the message will be tested at Resurrection time to obey or disobey. So no one can claim they were not given a fair chance and warning beforehand.

 

[Umm♥Layth]

Asalaam Aleikum,

You just don't know what is in the heart of people, only Allah does. There will be people from all walks of life in Jannah and hellfire. If you have been guided to Islam, follow it and give dawah.

Remember that Allah will ALWAYS expose people to monotheism. At one point or another, a person will have to decide whether they believe in and worship one God and seek answers. We are born to search for truth; everyone does it and some more than others.

My entire family is non muslim, so I have had similar thoughts. You are definitely not alone

 

[TDWT]

So am I just supposed to hope that they become muslim? I mean, what about those who do die non-muslim, do I just disregard their suffering? That is what I struggle with.

 

[aaj]

So am I just supposed to hope that they become muslim? I mean, what about those who do die non-muslim, do I just disregard their suffering? That is what I struggle with.

Read my post again, it answers your question.

You can hope for whatever you want.

People will get what they deserve according to what's in their heart. Allah will give everyone a fair chance to choose.

What you can do is give dawah to them.