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Yemen terror alert: Obama says explosives found

President Barack Obama has said initial examinations of two suspicious packages bound for the US show they appeared to have contained explosive materials.

He said the packages, found in the UK and Dubai on two overnight cargo planes from Yemen, were destined for Jewish places of worship in Chicago.

Security alerts are under way in the US, UK and Middle East.

The White House later said Saudi Arabia had provided information that helped identify the threat.

The two packages found in Britain's East Midlands airport and in Dubai have now been made inert, US officials say.

UK Home Secretary Theresa May later said that the device found in Britain "did contain explosive material".
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"But it is not yet clear that it was a viable explosive device. The forensic work continues," she added.

The security alert saw two other cargo planes owned by the freight company UPS searched in Newark and Philadelphia.

UPS said it had suspended its shipments out of Yemen.

Another suspect package from Yemen was examined on a delivery lorry in New York, and later declared safe.

In other developments:

* New aviation security measures are being taken in light of the alert, the US Homeland Security Department announces
* The US says that if a terror link is confirmed, the main suspects will be al-Qaeda's branch in Yemen - al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
* US fighter jets escorted Emirates flight 201 from Dubai into New York, with officials saying the action was being taken "out of an abundance of caution" because cargo from Yemen was on board
* Cobra, the UK government's emergency planning committee, met on Friday and was to meet again on Saturday as discussions continue about how to tighten UK security further

Saudis thanked

Mr Obama said the discovery represented a credible terrorist threat against the US.
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Analysis
Gordon Corera Security correspondent, BBC News

Yemen has risen rapidly towards the top of the list of countries of concern for Western counter-terrorism officials in the past year. The group al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - which has found a sanctuary in Yemen's ungoverned spaces - has shown increasing ambition and sophistication in its attempts to target the United States and others.

But while the origin of this plot seems clear, its exact form does not. The presence of explosives in the devices suggests this was no dry run or simply an attempt to cause panic through a hoax.

But forensic experts in the UK have been continuing to study the substances found in the parts for a printer to try to understand exactly what they were and how they were to be used. There appears to be a strong conviction these were parts for a bomb but whether they were complete and how they were to be detonated and against which target remains uncertain.

"Although we are still pursuing all the facts, we do know that the packages originated in Yemen," he told a White House press conference.

"We also know that al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - a terrorist group based in Yemen - continues to plan attacks against our homeland, our citizens and our friends and allies."

Mr Obama said he was first informed about the packages late on Thursday and that President Ali Abdallah Saleh of Yemen had pledged his country's full support in investigating the threat.

However, the Yemeni government later expressed astonishment at reports linking the country to the two packages, according to the Associated Press news agency.

It quoted a Yemeni statement as saying that no UPS cargo planes had taken off from Yemen and there had been no direct or indirect flights to British or US airports.

Mr Obama said the US would continue to work to destroy al-Qaeda and its affiliates, and to root out violent extremism in all its forms.

US Homeland Security adviser John Brennan thanked the Saudi Arabians for their help.

"Their assistance, along with the hard work of the US counter-terrorism community, the United Kingdom, the UAE, and other friends and partners helped make it possible to increase our vigilance and identify the suspicious packages," he said.
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Al-Qaeda and Jewish targets

* April 2002: Suicide bombing at synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia kills 19. Al-Qaeda claims the attack
* Nov 2002: 16 people killed in suicide bombing al-Qaeda claims to have carried out of Israeli-owned hotel in Mombasa, Kenya
* May 2003: 45 killed in bomb attacks in Casablanca, Morocco, on targets including Jewish cultural centre. Group linked to al-Qaeda blamed.
* Nov 2003: Two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, bombed, killing 23. Al-Qaeda claims responsibility
* Oct 2005: Germany sentences four Arab men accused of links to al-Qaeda of planning attacks on Jewish targets

* In pictures: Air cargo alert

A spokeswoman for the Jewish Federation in Chicago said the community had been warned to be on the alert in the wake of the discoveries.

"We were notified this morning that synagogues should be on the alert," the spokeswoman, Linda Haase, told Reuters news agency. "We are taking appropriate precautions and are advising local synagogues to do likewise."

The suspicious package in the UK was reportedly an ink toner cartridge that had been modified.

US officials told Associated Press they believed the Dubai and East Midlands packages contained the same explosive used in the failed bombing of a US-bound airliner last Christmas Day.

It quoted the officials as saying that full testing had not been completed but initial indications were that the packages contained PETN, a chemical that was also a component of shoe bomber Richard Reid's explosive in 2001.

The cargo planes in the US were taken to remote locations to be searched.

"Out of an abundance of caution the planes were moved to a remote location where they are being met by law enforcement officials," said the Transportation Security Administration.

Emergency services were called to the UK airport in Donington, Leicestershire, overnight and evacuated a distribution centre, while the suspicious package was examined.

US security services remain on a high level of vigilance in the wake of the attempted Times Square bombing in May and the alleged attempted Christmas Day attack.

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the U.S. thanked Saudi for their help? --sure, probably because there are said to be oil fields under the ground between the Yemen-Saudi border that the 2 countries (U.S. and Saudi) are probably itching to exploit.
AQ was a convenient excuse to start a fight---there were no bombs out of Yemen before the U.S. invaded Yemen looking for an AQ criminal.
To know more about the connection between U.S. foreign policy and terrorism (suicide terrorism in particular) look into Robert Pape work.
 
Is it just me or is something odd about this story?

I suspect there are groups in the USA and the UK that would like to blow up synagogues. I admit some of those groups may even call themselves al-Qaeda and even may actually be al-Qaeda (If al-Qaeda really exists)

But this scenario requires that someplace in Yemen a conversation sort of like this took place.

"Let's blow up some synagogues in the USA and the UK"

"Good idea, we will get our operatives there to do it"

"good, let's send them some explosive PETNA through UPS right away"

"Why send it to them, they can get it locally"

"We will send it to them because we are Yemeni and not smart enough to do it that way"

"Where do we get the PETNA from?"

"We smuggle it in from the USA"

"OK, pack up the PETNA, we just smuggled in from the USA, to them"
 
I wouldnt be surprised if this is one of CIA's scare tactics. They have done many operations in the past that were blamed on someone else.
 
So now we have the US, Yemen and Saudi Arabia in a conspiracy together to frame these people?

(If al-Qaeda really exists)

Make that dozens of countries around the world involved in what has to be the biggest conspiracy ever. Are there any governments that deny the existence of al-Qaeda? Or is statement meant as hyperbole?

If not it is a great example of Muslim paranoia and denial.
 
So now we have the US, Yemen and Saudi Arabia in a conspiracy together to frame these people?



Make that dozens of countries around the world involved in what has to be the biggest conspiracy ever. Are there any governments that deny the existence of al-Qaeda? Or is statement meant as hyperbole?

The CIA and FBI engineer situations to meet the objective of terrorism. A week or so ago some poor men were imprisoned after the FBI paid them to carry out a terror plot which they themselves planned. When the men agreed; they were arrested. A perfect set up. This is why whenever these plots are uncovered its hard not to look closer to home.
Al Qaeda may well exist but you can guarantee that any Muslim involved in anything against the government will be reported to "have links with Al Qaeda". I very much doubt Al Qaeda is the all it's made out to be.

If not it is a great example of Muslim paranoia and denial.

Crazy prejudiced generalization.
 
So now we have the US, Yemen and Saudi Arabia in a conspiracy together to frame these people?



Make that dozens of countries around the world involved in what has to be the biggest conspiracy ever. Are there any governments that deny the existence of al-Qaeda? Or is statement meant as hyperbole?

If not it is a great example of Muslim paranoia and denial.

It was intended to be a touch of sarcastic thinking. so I guess it can be called-hyperbole. It does not make sense to me that al-Qaeda would risk sending explosives from Yemen when they have cells in the USA,UK elsewhere and the explosives or another type can be procured in the USA and the UK.
 
Crazy prejudiced generalization.

No. I can look at the title of most threads (such as this one) and tell you before I look that multiple Muslim posters will claim that the story is false and that America/Israel is really behind it. Do you deny this?

Many Muslims are taught to make denial their first reaction when hearing about anything negative done by Muslims, and to immediately find a way to place the blame on the two biggest bogeymen in the world - USA and Israel. They are taught that Muslims do no wrong, and that when they do it is because some evil American or Jew tricked them into it.

If my comment was a crazy prejudiced generalization then you would not see such conspiracy theories on just about every single thread involving bombings or other terrorist acts.
 
No. I can look at the title of most threads (such as this one) and tell you before I look that multiple Muslim posters will claim that the story is false and that America/Israel is really behind it. Do you deny this?

Many Muslims are taught to make denial their first reaction when hearing about anything negative done by Muslims, and to immediately find a way to place the blame on the two biggest bogeymen in the world - USA and Israel. They are taught that Muslims do no wrong, and that when they do it is because some evil American or Jew tricked them into it.

If my comment was a crazy prejudiced generalization then you would not see such conspiracy theories on just about every single thread involving bombings or other terrorist acts.

It is very understandable that you believe that to be true and what you say does happen quite often. The reason we do act that way is because many of us really do question the origin of al-Qaeda and who actually is running it. It seems there are al-qaeda cells all over the place and the local governments are very much aware of them and who belongs to each one. It is not from doubting that a Muslim is capable of wrong, we do have many questions about just who is behind al-Qaeda.
 
No. I can look at the title of most threads (such as this one) and tell you before I look that multiple Muslim posters will claim that the story is false and that America/Israel is really behind it. Do you deny this?

That doesn't justify the quote. SOME Muslims may well question it, others may agree. What if someone who was African disagreed with me and I said "great example of black paranoia and denial"? Don't you see how racist that sounds? Being Muslim (or black as in my example) does not make it typical to act a certain way (which is not directly related to being Muslim), especially when the words used (paranoia and denial) have nothing to do with being Muslim (or black).

Many Muslims are taught to make denial their first reaction when hearing about anything negative done by Muslims, and to immediately find a way to place the blame on the two biggest bogeymen in the world - USA and Israel. They are taught that Muslims do no wrong, and that when they do it is because some evil American or Jew tricked them into it.

If my comment was a crazy prejudiced generalization then you would not see such conspiracy theories on just about every single thread involving bombings or other terrorist acts.

Nothing I said was a conspiracy theory. Why not watch the news sometime? The FBI DID plan and fund an attack in the US (deliberately targeting those who were down on their luck) only to arrest those they were paying. That is trickery as far as I'm concerned (not to mention illegal in most countries).

Israel DOES occupy Palestinian land and deny Palestinians of their basic human rights making their lives hell. America DOES fund Israel (and many other evil regimes) in order to cause instability and maintain a level of control. Doesn't sound like imaginary boogeymen now does it.
 
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It was intended to be a touch of sarcastic thinking. so I guess it can be called-hyperbole. It does not make sense to me that al-Qaeda would risk sending explosives from Yemen when they have cells in the USA,UK elsewhere and the explosives or another type can be procured in the USA and the UK.
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The latest information that I heard on this is that the goal was to have them explode while in flight. Hence they sent the explosives from Yemen.
The Saudis passed along a tip from a former insider to Al Qaeda who has grown weary of the stupidity of terrorism. I can't remember his name but he was a prisoner down in Guantanamo and was released a little while ago and had returned to Saudi Arabia.
 
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The latest information that I heard on this is that the goal was to have them explode while in flight. Hence they sent the explosives from Yemen.
The Saudis passed along a tip from a former insider to Al Qaeda who has grown weary of the stupidity of terrorism. I can't remember his name but he was a prisoner down in Guantanamo and was released a little while ago and had returned to Saudi Arabia.

If so why was PETN used as the explosive? while it is a very powerful explosive it needs to be mixed with another chemical shortly before being detonated pure PETN will not explode by itself this makes it a poor choice for a timed explosion.
 
If so why was PETN used as the explosive? while it is a very powerful explosive it needs to be mixed with another chemical shortly before being detonated pure PETN will not explode by itself this makes it a poor choice for a timed explosion.

I'm copying this quote from the IndiaTimes:

The latest devices appear to have relied on electronic triggering mechanisms, rather than on chemical reactions. The bombs "didn't require any additional components or didn't require anybody to go in and sort of manually press a syringe or something else."
 
Nothing I said was a conspiracy theory. Why not watch the news sometime? The FBI DID plan and fund an attack in the US (deliberately targeting those who were down on their luck) only to arrest those they were paying. That is trickery as far as I'm concerned (not to mention illegal in most countries).

This reminds me of when British soldiers were caught dressed up as Iraqis and were shooting Iraqi police in the city of Basra. Trickery indeed.
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Salam
 
The source of the information always has to be considered

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

There is without a doubt countries and organizations playing on the fear and distrust of the Muslim Community and will push the conspiracy theories to keep the attention away from the curruption of the governments and the lack of taking care of the people. Doesn't require anyone to visit these countries that Muslims are fleeing from. The deplorable conditions are a mouse click away in real time.

There is no need to rely upon second hand reporting. The satellite will provide a view.

http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/

If someone hates and distrusts a country or a people they should never take resources and assistance from them for the leaders to purchase villas and property that was meet for the people. A fact that may be denied but for decades unavoidable.
 
That doesn't justify the quote. SOME Muslims may well question it, others may agree. What if someone who was African disagreed with me and I said "great example of black paranoia and denial"? Don't you see how racist that sounds? Being Muslim (or black as in my example) does not make it typical to act a certain way (which is not directly related to being Muslim), especially when the words used (paranoia and denial) have nothing to do with being Muslim (or black).

You are correct to a certain extent, although your analogy is flawed. I do not make my comment from the one Muslim who I have seen this from, but from many. My intent was not to paint all Muslims under this brush. The number of Muslims who do fit, though, is significant. At least from those Muslims that post on any forums I have ever visited and this forum is certainly no exception.

Nothing I said was a conspiracy theory. Why not watch the news sometime?

I don't disagree that operations like that have taken place. My problem is with those that use that fact to assume that every act blamed on Muslims is such an operation. That is when it becomes a conspiracy theory. Those Muslims can then claim that even attacks by Muslims are really attacks on Muslims. It is a mindset of perpetual victimhood and denial of reality.
 
Well all i would like to say is , Al qaida does exist, its time to come out of denial , and make upi all sort of stories when ever a calamity strikes, wether the target is muslims or non muslims, Islam in no way permits such killing, N do those who plan n carry out such bombing really care who the victim is?

If muslims will not stand upu to counter these VERY Unislamic ideologies now then God help us!

Please stop saying Al qaida does not exist and its all conspiracy and theories n all, yes there might be some crime scarried out disguised as being by al qaida , but that does not prove that there isnt al al qaidad , So lets not go to either Extremes , 1- There is no al qaida 2- Every thing is blamed on alqaida, even though a lot IS and should be blamed on al qaida, even if they are not directly involved, they have incited this ideology and hate and these murderous thoughts thorugh out the Ignorant Muslim youth who fall victim to them.

Its tiem we stand up for the sake of each and every human life that is at danger, that could get ended by such murderous thugs who have got NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER OF THE RELIGION nor do they have knowledge of so called jihaad that they are doing, Jihaad just like everyother aspect of our religion has its Rules, regulations and methodology, there are limits and boundaries, there are rules and legistalations.

But then some coem and say wel, the west is doing such and such injustice, killing innocnet so we will go ahead and do the same to them , well this is not a valid excuse nor does it legislate such bombings of civilians, Muslims or non muslims and lets be honest , if u look at the amount of peopel killed with in the muslim world by Al qaida and its related organizations and taliban it n no way compares to the few thousand that have been killed in the west. Muslims blood have been made permissible by these DOGS OF HELL FIRE , and their leaders , THE CALLERS AT THE GATES OF HELL!! The khawariij of our time in every way and form,

Its time to free ourselfs from them once n for all, its time t stand against them and work with our governments to establish peace and secure the sacred Human lifes that we have no right to take. Its time to stop protecting them and stop sympathizing with them, its time to Learnm the deen an learn and know that these people have got notthing to do with islaam or jihaad, Rather its Fasssad ! wallahi ikhwaa its all fassad, Killing muslims and non muslims with out any permission from our religion or our Lord the Most High!

Please stop making excuses and giving them the benefit of the doubt , coz the more we let them lose the more estruction they will bring about.

jihaad?? what do they know about jihaad, go see what happening in pakisatn , afgan , iraq and now yemen and SAUDI ARABIA, do u knwo how many terror incidents have taken place in Saudia alone n how may people have died?

Do you not know that Prince Naif may Allah protect and preserve him ahs been attacked? was that not a well know al qaida member who blem himself inhis office?? Does al qaida xist?? Off course it does, when will we realise it and coem out of denial is completely beyond me.

People change, wallahi those who revolted against ali and uthmaan were not BORN KHAWARIIJ , they changed, their ideology n thinking changed, so stop suporting the taliban n al qaida with excuses that they were heoreos in afghanistan in teh russian war n all, people change , situations ahve changed and the methodology has changed.

Muslism, non muslism , muslim leaders are all in danger and need us to stand up in the face of this extreme fithnah,

will u come along n join those who will end this fassad from the land or join the other side is up to you , but be warned that u dont want to stand in front of Allah with the blood of muslims n non-muslim civilians on your hands!

fear Allah

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Come to the scholars that are the inheritors of the Prophets, come to the people of knowledge, join the fight against extremism, wallahi oyr salaf us saalih fought against such fithnas , dont be afraid n get ur facts right.
 
UPS Yemen Bomb Scare is a Hoax BBC Confirms NO Explosives



Obamas got midterm elections they need a bomb scare to swing votes his way :)...the bomb scare is as real as you finding OBL under your bed....its never gonna happen
 
Obamas got midterm elections they need a bomb scare to swing votes his way :)...the bomb scare is as real as you finding OBL under your bed....its never gonna happen

r u 4 real. dis has a negative impact on obama even if was real! obama is goin to lose n dey will hve mad tea party lozers.
 
You are correct to a certain extent, although your analogy is flawed. I do not make my comment from the one Muslim who I have seen this from, but from many. My intent was not to paint all Muslims under this brush. The number of Muslims who do fit, though, is significant. At least from those Muslims that post on any forums I have ever visited and this forum is certainly no exception.

Not really a justification for the comment. Out of 1.6 billion Muslims the number on this forum and all others is insignificant.

I don't disagree that operations like that have taken place. My problem is with those that use that fact to assume that every act blamed on Muslims is such an operation. That is when it becomes a conspiracy theory. Those Muslims can then claim that even attacks by Muslims are really attacks on Muslims. It is a mindset of perpetual victimhood and denial of reality.

A sister gave the example of 2 SAS men caught dressed as arabs shooting civilians etc. If they hadn't been caught I'm sure you would have called that a conspiracy theory too, even though people living in Iraq were saying things like this were happening well before that event.
 
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