Tabligee jamaat

[Sampharo]

I will not stoop down to your level

That is your own skewed perception of what level people are on and perhaps determined overturning of reality. You continue to say things that did not happen and claim things I did not say, seems to be in love with your own voice. Nothing I am interested in addressing in your post regarding Halal meat because by now you're the only person who's not getting it. It is possible you are twisting and changing what people said just to get a big response. Barak Allahu Feek. I will only address matters sticking to the topic:

Let this not divert from the topic at hand for it is clear for all to see your weak argument has no basis and is therefore irrelevant and that you should study what you are pasting rather than just to blindly copy and paste that which you do not even understand or have NO knolwedge or experience about.

And this is the basis upon which you were rightfuly and still earn your description. You are calling the fully explained article written by three of the great scholars we have today "weak argument has no basis", and despite describing direct experiences, you are saying "NO knowledge or experience". In spite of that, the only thing you told this forum is "these are ignorant copy and pastes" and "you don't know them" without bringing your own basis and/or evidence that you claimed my posts are lacking.

Everyone can see that I am not addressing people in this way here who said jamaat tabligh is good, or that kosher slaughtered meat is not permissible, so it is pretty clear that nobody but you is under the assumption that this is about the opinion. Opinions are for all to have and of course there are disagreements to be respected. Twisting other people's words to cover one's own lack of knowledge and agenda, and bashing scholars is a whole different thing, it's a pretty desperate thing to do. You see, this is where I (nor anyone I know) would want or even know how to come down "to your level".

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

That is your own skewed perception of what level people are on and perhaps determined overturning of reality. You continue to say things that did not happen and claim things I did not say, seems to be in love with your own voice. Nothing I am interested in addressing in your post regarding Halal meat because by now you're the only person who's not getting it. It is possible you are twisting and changing what people said just to get a big response. Barak Allahu Feek. I will only address matters sticking to the topic:



And this is the basis upon which you were rightfuly and still earn your description. You are calling the fully explained article written by three of the great scholars we have today "weak argument has no basis", and despite describing direct experiences, you are saying "NO knowledge or experience". In spite of that, the only thing you told this forum is "these are ignorant copy and pastes" and "you don't know them" without bringing your own basis and/or evidence that you claimed my posts are lacking.

Everyone can see that I am not addressing people in this way here who said jamaat tabligh is good, or that kosher slaughtered meat is not permissible, so it is pretty clear that nobody but you is under the assumption that this is about the opinion. Opinions are for all to have and of course there are disagreements to be respected. Twisting other people's words to cover one's own lack of knowledge and agenda, and bashing scholars is a whole different thing, it's a pretty desperate thing to do. You see, this is where I (nor anyone I know) would want or even know how to come down "to your level".

It is clear for all who took part in the previous thread "Eating non halal meat" that your stance was false and not in line with the correct way to do zabiha. Now again you have given a very false account from those who have never experienced what it is like to take part in the work of Tabligh let alone give an accurate insight into it.

You keep ranting on about me 'scholar bashing' when i have done nothing of the sort. I have merely made a generalised statement that those who make such statements are ignorant of the true realities of Tabligh and that includes ALL who make such statements not just those who wrote your blind copy and paste.

You claim that how can one ignore such scholars statements then i have also included a scholars statement in my previous post and i can also post to you COUNTLESS statements and articles by scholars about the virtues and benefits of Tabligh then are you going to disagree with them all? There are many more scholars agreeing with it than disagreeing with it so how can you disagree with the majority who confirm that it is truly virteous? How can you disagree with the COUNTLESS peole from around the world who can attest to the fact that it has changed their lives for the better and that they have become better people because of taking part in such work?

It is clear for all to see that your weak arguments have no basis or consistancy at all and the COUNTLESS scholars and people from around the world who have benefitted from such work are testimony to the fact that Tabligh is a truly GREAT work who's purpose is to enjoin good and forbid evil which is a collective responsibility of the Muslims (Fardh al-Kifaya). Allah Most High says:

"You are the best of Nations, involved for mankind, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is evil." (Surah Ali Imran, V:110).

This collective responsibility of the Muslims requires an organized effort, and this is exactly what the Jama'ah of Tabligh is doing. How can someone be condemned for carrying out the responsibility which Allah Almighty has ordained upon him?

As mentioned in my previous post no one is perfect and being humans there will inevitabley be mistakes and NO one is immune to that but that which you copy and pasted in your first post is NO where near the truth and grossly innaccurate and misinformed and this can be attested by ANYONE who has taken part in such great work!

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

I agree

I think i understands everyones point and i see that people all over the world have greatly benifited with this jamaat including me.

so lets make dua for each other as it increases love, "o allah put love and affection in our hearts towards our brothers and sisters in faith and make us firm and strong..... ameen"

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, my brother as can be seen from the posts there is no doubt of the benefits of this great work and that one should continue to take part in such dawah and spread Islam across the world.

Countless scholars and Muslims from around the world can attest to the fact that this great work has changed their lives and benefitted them so much.
In life there will always be ignorant ones who will want to stop one from doing good but they are just a test for us for one should continue to enjoin good and forbid evil and invote towards Almighty Allah.

Who's speech can be better than the speech of those who invite towards Allah and enjoin good and forbin evil?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Shaykh Ibn Utheymen on the Tablighi Jamat


Question: I have started to become committed recently, praise be to Allaah. In our area there is the Jamaa?at al-Tableegh, who go out for thirty days or more. People say different things about them. Some say, don't go out with them, because their going out is an innovation (bidah) and they have some mistaken ideas. Others advised me to go out with them. What is the correct view concerning that? Should I go out with them or not?.

Answer:

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about that and he said:

Usually in every issue there are two extremes and a middle way. Some people praise this group a great deal and encourage going out with them; others condemn them a great deal and warn against them more than they would warn you about a lion. And some people tread a middle path between those two extremes.

I think that there is some good in this group; they call others to Islam and have a clear influence that no other daaiyahs have had. Many kaafirs have become believers at their hands, and many evildoers has Allaah guided through them.

Moreover they have an attitude of humility and selflessness that is not found in many others.

Some people say that they have no knowledge of hadeeth, and so on.

They are undoubtedly good people, but I think that those of them who are in Saudi do not go to Pakistan or other countries, and we do not know anything about the aqeedah of those people (in other countries) or their manhaj (methodology). But there is nothing wrong with the manhaj followed by our companions here in Saudi.

With regard to limiting dawah to three or four days, or to two or four or six months, or two years, there is no shari evidence for that. But they think that this has to do with organization (of groups). If a person goes out for three days, and knows that he is limited to these three days, he will focus his mind and forget about worldly matters. This is the matter of organization, and is not an act of worship or a matter of shareeah.

I think, may Allaah bless you, that if you have the opportunity to seek knowledge then it is better to do that, because seeking knowledge is good and the people nowadays have a great need for scholars who have knowledge of the Sunnah and who are well-versed in knowledge. If you are not able to seek knowledge, and you go out with them in order to purify yourself, there is nothing wrong with that. There are many people whom Allaah has guided at their hands.

Al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 10, P. 304.

And Allaah is the Source of strength

 

[AabiruSabeel]

http://english.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=87749&Option=FatwaId

Question

Is it true that some Islamic scholars including Bin Baaz gave a fatwa saying that it is haram to follow jamaah tabligh?

Fatwa

Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds; and may His blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions.


We do not know of a Fatwa by Ibn Baz (Rahimahu Allah) in which he forbids going out with the Tablighi Jamah. On the contrary, we notice in his Fatawa that he incites to cooperate with them and to advise them.
In his response to Iwad Bin Iwad al-Kahtani, when the latter inquired about this group, he stated that it was confirmed from trustworthy people who kept company with them that they did not notice anything contradictory to the Shariah, or anything that would prohibit going out with them. He mentioned some of their positive effects on whomever accompanied them, and he does not see any harm in going out with them. The people of knowledge should cooperate with them and make up for any shortcomings that may result from them. Speech No. 1155 dated 05/09/1399 A.H.
In his response to Abdel-Selam Al-Sulaimani he stated that he learnt from trustworthy people who are impossible to lie, like the lecturers of Tawheed in the Islamic University (Al-Jami’a Al-Islamiya) and others, that the Tablighi group are patient in calling to Islam, being affectionate and steadfast. Allah guided, thanks to them, many people who are astray. Ibn Baz was advising the people of knowledge to participate with them in calling to Allah so that they would help each other. It is not appropriate to judge the Jama by the shortcoming of some individuals amongst them. It is incumbent upon a Muslim to advise his Muslim brothers with soft words, and not run away from them or make other people dislike them. Speech No. 325 dated 20/03/1406 A.H.
In his response to Ibrahim Abdurrahman al-Hussein Ibn Baz stated that he is still holding to his opinion in what he wrote about them previously, because, thanks to them, Allah benefited enormously other people, and guided many people. Therefore, we must thank them for their efforts and encourage them and draw their attention to things that they might not be aware of, because Muslims must advise each other. He urged people to go out with them and gather with them. He stated to those who contradict them the following:
“You have to stop criticizing them, or do what they have done.”
Speech dated 27/01/1407 A.H.
Ibn Baz responded also to Saad Bin Abderrahman Alhussayn to doctor Taki al-Dinn al-Hillali and criticized them about discrediting this group. He also responded to Fahih Bin Nafi’i when he criticized them, and praised them and confirmed his view by standing by their side but advising them with regard to the shortfall that could result from some of them, as everybody is subjected to imperfection, this is the human nature.
He stated that running away from them and warning people not to mix with them is a serious mistake as these causes more harm than benefit.
Speech No. 889, dated 12/08/1406 A.H.
Apart from Sheikh Ibn Baz, there are those who praised this group and those who criticized it.
A Muslim has to ask Allah often for guidance about things on which there is a difference of opinion, and to seek the truth without fanaticism, and to cooperate with those who work for Islam on whatever truth they are upon and not to imitate them if they deviate from the truth, nobody is infallible after the Prophets. The words and actions of every person could be accepted or rejected. However, we have to advise with wisdom whomever deviates from the truth, and explain to him the truth with the best manners.
We have to supplicate a lot with the supplication that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) used to make at the beginning of the night prayer which is: “O, Allah! Lord of Jibreel, Mikaael, and Israafeel, Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, Knower of the Seen and the Unseen, You are the Arbitrator between Your Servants in that which they have disputed. Guide me to the truth by Your leave, in that which they have differed, for verify You guide whom You will to the straight path.”
In addition to this, we draw your attention to the fact that a person should be keen in educating himself, by learning what is required of Tawheed and Islamic rulings. To know that Allah has a right upon him, his body (soul) has a right upon him, and his wife (and family) has a right upon him, so he has to give the right of everybody. He has to benefit from the point of view of others on himself, and not to be content with oneself, and not to call to Allah except with something he is sure about, that it is from Allah and His Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam).

Allah knows best.
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