Taking a shower= having wudu??

[hissa]

If one takes a regular shower or bath, does that count as wudu, even though one doesn't actually do wudu? My mom says that it is suffice, but I'm not sure... :-\

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

No idea but surely this is an innovation.

For Friday prayer we bathe and cleanse ourselves and wear nice clothes and fragrances,,but till take wudhu..

 

[siFilam]

:salamext:

According to Hanafi Madhab "There is no need for Wudhu after a bath (Ghusl) has been taken." (Kitaab-ut-Tahaarah). I think because all the Faaraid of Wudhu are completed through a bath. but after you take your shower or bath and you do something which under normal circumstances would invalidate your Wudhu, than you'll lose your Wudhu.
I hope this helps. This book, Kitaab-ut-Tahaarah, you can download it. its really helpful.

Wasalam

-SI-

 

[snakelegs]

what about the matter of intent?
you take a bath/shower to get clean only.

 

[Munda Pakistani]

:salamext:

According to Hanafi Madhab "There is no need for Wudhu after a bath (Ghusl) has been taken." (Kitaab-ut-Tahaarah). I think because all the Faaraid of Wudhu are completed through a bath. but after you take your shower or bath and you do something which under normal circumstances would invalidate your Wudhu, than you'll lose your Wudhu.
I hope this helps. This book, Kitaab-ut-Tahaarah, you can download it. its really helpful.

Wasalam

-SI-

salam,

There's a difference between ghusl and bath. The Hanafi ruling might be referring to the religous meaning of ghusl, not the general meaning.

Allah knows best.

 

[siFilam]

what about the matter of intent?
you take a bath/shower to get clean only.

I looked through my books again just to make sure and this is what I found:
'If the four parts (Fardh parts) of the body have been washed,, e.g. by swimming or taking a bath, the Wudhu will be valid even if one had no intention of Wudhu. (Bahishti Zewar and Kitab-ut-Tahaarah)

-SI-

 

[siFilam]

salam,

There's a difference between ghusl and bath. The Hanafi ruling might be referring to the religous meaning of ghusl, not the general meaning.

Allah knows best.

:salamext:
what do u mean? Whats difference btwn ghusl and bath?
Ghusl as in following the Sunnah and making sure that all the Fard body parts are washed?

wasalam
-SI-

 

[snakelegs]

interesting! i thought intent was of major importance in islam - but maybe it depends on the subject under discussion.

 

[hissa]

Ok, so I was searching on islamqa.com and this is what I found:

Question:
Is it Correct to pray without wadoo immedietly after coming from a normal bath.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

It is mustahabb for a Muslim to do wudoo’ before ghusl, following the example of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

If ghusl is done in cases of major impurity such as janaabah (impurity following sexual activity) and menstruation, and the person washes his entire body with water, as well as rinsing out the mouth and nose, then it is sufficient and there is no need to do wudoo’. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do wudoo’ after doing ghusl.

You will find more details on this in the answer to question no. 5032.

But if the “ghusl” is done to cool down or to clean oneself, then it does not take the place of wudoo’.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Does ghusl following janaabah take the place of wudoo’?

He replied:

If a person is in a state of janaabah and he does ghusl, then that is sufficient and he does not need to do wudoo’, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If you are in a state of Janaaba (i.e. after a sexual discharge), purify yourselves (bathe your whole body)”

[al-Maa’idah 5:6]

There is no need to repeat wudoo’ after doing ghusl. But if one of the things that break wudoo’ takes place, and he breaks his wudoo’ after doing ghusl, then he must do wudoo’ But if he does not break his wudoo’ then his doing ghusl from janaabah takes the place of wudoo’, whether he did wudoo’ before doing ghusl or not. But it is essential to pay attention to rinsing the mouth and nose, because doing so is essential in both wudoo’ and ghusl. End quote.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 11/question no. 180.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was also asked: Does ghusl that is not prescribed or required according to sharee’ah take the place of wudoo’?

He replied:

Ghusl that is not prescribed or required according to sharee’ah does not take the place of wudoo’, because it is not an act of worship. End quote.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al_Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 11/question no. 181.

He (may Allaah have mercy on him) was also asked: Does taking a bath take the place of wudoo’?

He replied:

If a person takes a bath because of janaabah, then it takes the place of wudoo’, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If you are in a state of Janaaba (i.e. after a sexual discharge), purify yourselves (bathe your whole body)”

[al-Maa’idah 5:6]

If a person is junub and he immerses himself in a bathtub or river or the like, intending thereby to cleanse himself of janaabah, and he rinses his mouth and nose, then he purifies himself from both minor and major impurity, because Allaah, may He be exalted, only enjoined us to purify ourselves from janaabah, i.e., we should ensure that water reaches all parts of the body when doing ghusl. But it is better for the person who is doing ghusl to do wudoo’ first, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to wash his private parts after washing his hands, then he would do wudoo’ as for prayer, then he would pour water over his head, and when he thought that it had reached the skin, he poured water over his head three times, then he would wash the rest of his body.

But if a person takes a bath to clean himself or to cool himself down, then this does not take the place of wudoo’, because that is not an act of worship, rather it is just an ordinary action, although Islam prescribes cleanliness.

Whatever the case, if the bath is taken to cool down or get clean, then it does not take the place of wudoo’. End quote.

So according to this, taking a regular bath does NOT take the place of wudu. But according to the sources SiFilam has, it DOES..
I'm confused:-\

 

[ABDUL HAQ]

If one takes a regular shower or bath, does that count as wudu, even though one doesn't actually do wudu? My mom says that it is suffice, but I'm not sure... :-\

FOR WUDHU TO BE COMPLETED THERE ARE 4 ESSENTIALS

1.arms washed till and including elbows

2 face washed from top offorehead to bottom of chin,ear to ear and if bearded ..the fingers run through wet.
3.masah..stroking of wet hand on 1/4 of head
4 feet tilland including ankles

if these are done wudh is completed.

the intention for wudhu is not a faraidh

as a hanafi
wudhu and ghusl do not require prior intention(niyyah)

eg if we go swimming .and are totally wet we will have wudhu

for ghusl to have taken place water must be pulled up to the top of the inner nose
and full gargle must be made
and whole body wet completely

and yes bath does not mean ghusl

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

For ghusl every hair on the body has to be wet and none left dry, also the intention of course, you know when your washing just as a bath or doing ghusl to cleanse for prayers after. During ghusl and for ghusl to be complete is to gargle with water and also wash the nose or apply water deep inside the nose, then ghusl is complete. As every other part is gonna get washed head down but the nose and throat will need that extra effort. Also during wudhu and ghusl recite Ashadu Allah Ilaha IllAllahu Wa Ashadu Ana Muhammed An Abduhu Warasooluhu.

 

[siFilam]

:salamext:
ok, now I'm getting confused as well. But Alhamdulilah, I went to sunnipath. askimam was my first choice but I couldn't find anything there. But I'm still searching askimam. this is what I found in sunnipath regarding Wudhu and ghusl:

"Answered by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

Does performing ghusl alleviate the need for wudu?

Case 1: Merely Recommended Ghusl

If the ghusl is merely recommended, such as the Friday bath, it does not count as wudu, because performing wudu for prayer is obligatory while the Friday bath is recommended and the recommended does not alleviate the need for the obligatory.

Case 2: Obligatory Ghusl

As for if the ghusl is obligatory, such as bathing due to post-sexual impurity (Ar. janaba) or menstruation, it alleviates the need for wudu on the condition that nothing invalidate the wudu during it, such as touching the private parts or something exiting them. So if one wants to suffice oneself with an obligatory ghusl in place of wudu, one first washes the private parts with the intention of lifting ritual impurity from them and then intends to lift ritual impurity from the rest of one's body. This way, one doesn't need to touch the private parts after the [m: second] intention.

Amjad Rasheed

(Translated by Moustafa Elqabbany)"

I think this answer concurs with what you have sis Hissa. so, I think after obligatory ghusl you don't need to make wudhu.
Taking bath according to the sunnah is better because it inculdes wudhu. I hope this clears things up.
it would be great if someone can help us out on this, please.
sorry to confuse you, sis
-SI-

 

[Musalmaan]

FOR WUDHU TO BE COMPLETED THERE ARE 4 ESSENTIALS

1.arms washed till and including elbows

2 face washed from top offorehead to bottom of chin,ear to ear and if bearded ..the fingers run through wet.
3.masah..stroking of wet hand on 1/4 of head
4 feet tilland including ankles

if these are done wudh is completed.

the intention for wudhu is not a faraidh

as a hanafi
wudhu and ghusl do not require prior intention(niyyah)

eg if we go swimming .and are totally wet we will have wudhu

for ghusl to have taken place water must be pulled up to the top of the inner nose
and full gargle must be made
and whole body wet completely

and yes bath does not mean ghusl

reps from me.

not every bath is ghusl, for ghusl the conditions (posted above) must be fulfilled. if one of the three condition is left, then it would not be a ghusl even though one used the whole sea-water in that bath.

and if ghusl is done then there is no need to do wudhu again. ghusl is higher form of purity(taharaah).

 

[E'jaazi]

interesting! i thought intent was of major importance in islam - but maybe it depends on the subject under discussion.

It is. Everything is suppose to be started with intention first!

 

[snakelegs]

then it's hard for me to understand "taking a shower = doing wudu".

 

[Musalmaan]

actually it is "taking a shower (ghusl)> doing wudu"

OR (another mathematical explaination)

wudu is the subset of shower(ghusl).


moreover if there is a case that there is No water anywhere,
then

taymum is enough and then there is no need of ghusl as well as wudu.

so taymum is Super set in some case.

Fiqh.

 

[Musalmaan]

let me explain you by simple example. suppose you needed 2 $ to buy something and you luckily got 5 $ from your saving box. thus your requirement fulfilled to buy that thing and 3 $ was your extra savings.

Thus if one required to do wudhu which is simple way of taharah (if ghusl was not compulsory upon him), and instead doing wudu he did shower(ghusl). thus he get the better and complete form of purity of body, and the requirements of wudhu is just part of it.


I hope it helps :-\

 

[Natural]

I was always taught that wudu is covered when you take a shower. Although it is obvious why I am taking a shower, it is may not be obvious that I am also fulfilling a religious obligation. Therefore, to be on the safe side I recite Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim before I take a shower. After all is not the purpose of wudu to clean the body? A shower is used to clean the body as well...althought not necessary for religious purposes. That's why I state my intentions.

 

[nelly]

well wot i usually do while im havin a shower i do wudu aswell

 

[Musalmaan]

:salamext:

I just came across this hadtih, wld share it here as well for the benefits of other insha'Allah.


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It is not necessary to make wudhu if one takes a normal bath. Those limbs that are necessary to wash in wudhu have been included in a normal bath. To make wudhu after taking a bath is wastage of water. It has come in a hadith:

عن ابن عباس قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم من توضأ بعد الغسل فليس منا
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Ibn Abbas narrates the Rasulullah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) has said, “Whosoever makes wudhu after taking a bath is not from us.” (Mu’jam Saghir & Mu’jam Awsat of Tabrani)

Dar al-Mukhtar (1:156) H.M. Saeed Company