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Afghans who resent the opium eradication policies probably do support the Taliban, who only taxed them 20% and called it zakat.
Rubbish! (Even though I hated the taleban as they were and still are ignorant morons) Under them opium cultivation was punishable by death and they had almost succeeded in eradicating it until king DumBush installed northern alliance, one of the most deviated and worst criminal gangs on planet.
It is fairly obvious that no popular insurgency exists in Afghanistan. The majority of the insurgency now calls Pakistan home.
Is that a hint at bombing us next? if it is then just remember that we will be a bit more difficult than taleban.

Remember stingers versus commie gunships?

Thanks to CIA, I think they had over-supplied us a little bit, after northern alliance stole some to take to Iran, we may have had 1 or 2 left over even after returning leftovers to U.S.A. As you may already know that we are quite good at reverse engineering. And I suspect that replicas were used, quite successfully against hindu airforce during Kargil.
 
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There didn't have to be propoganda on beating women by the Taliban. The video most Americans saw showed members of the Taliban's religious police beating up a Tajik woman with a stick. Not to mention the infamous video of a woman being shot in the back of the head at a soccer stadium.

As for Taliban support or lack thereof, like most things it depends on what particular people you are talking about. Those Afghans who resent the opium eradication policies probably do support the Taliban, who only taxed them 20% and called it zakat. It is fairly obvious that no popular insurgency exists in Afghanistan. The majority of the insurgency now calls Pakistan home.

Yea the woman being beat with a stick was by a warlord, the northern alliance thugs that your gov't handed over the nation to. You talk as if you know everything and sadly enough, all you know is what you are told and shown on the tv that spreads lies and deception to promote bush's agenda.
Please don't make yourself look stupid (same goes for other friends of yours here). You guys talking about these issues is like someone from over there talking about how blacks do nothing but rape and mug you and whites are nothing but crackers. Your knowledge is limited and what little you do have is filtered and distorted not to mention falsified before being presented.
 
I know northern alliance were not saints, but it appears to me they were much better then the taliban. I have a question, what is so appealing about islamic theocracies?
this is what women do when they are forced to marry people that they are not happy with..

Self-Immolations on Rise in Afghanistan

HERAT, Afghanistan (The LA Times) - Early in the morning as her father was saying his prayers, 20-year-old Ahbeda -- engaged to marry her first cousin at the family´s bidding -- apparently doused herself with fuel and set herself afire.

A few hours later, she was swaddled in bandages in the primitive burn unit at Herat Public Hospital, writhing in pain and gasping for air, with burns covering her entire body. Her hair was mostly singed off, her lips nearly gone, her face a blackened blur, her odds of survival slim.

Two other young women, who also apparently had set themselves ablaze, lay in nearby beds.

Such self-immolations are becoming disturbingly common among young women in western Afghanistan. Although statistics aren´t available, the hospital´s doctors report that they appear to be on the rise.

An average of three girls arrive at the regional hospital each week, most with life-threatening burns covering more than 40% of their bodies. The hospital has had more than 100 cases this year, the doctors say, with most of the young women dying soon after arrival.

The typical victim is 14 to 20 years old and is trying to escape a marriage arranged by her father, the hospital staff says. Often, the marriage is to an older man who has another wife and children, in a society where it is not uncommon for men to have multiple wives. For example, a 14-year-old arrived recently at the hospital in critical condition with only her palms unscorched. She had been given in marriage to a 60-year-old married man with grown children.

Conditions for women have improved somewhat since the ouster of the Taliban a year ago. Schools hum with the voices of eager girls who were barred from formal education under the old regime and whose parents, for the most part, are glad to have them back in the classroom. Television features some female broadcasters. And ever so slowly, women are poking their heads out in public from under the head-to-toe burkas that were mandatory under the Taliban -- although they have yet to shed the garments, fearing harassment from men on the streets.

Nonetheless, people who had expected social changes for women have been disappointed on many counts, with lingering attitudes in many families a huge block to liberation.

Most Afghan girls and women are still expected to cover their bodies, be subservient, remain mostly apart from men, even in the home when guests arrive, and live with their husbands´ families. There has been no return to the 1980s, when Afghanistan was under Soviet control and women in the cities could safely wear miniskirts in public.

Dr. Shehin Entazary, a female surgeon who has treated many of the burn victims, attributes the problems in part to illiteracy among the young women, who lost six years of schooling under the Taliban, and their families.

"I am struggling to stop families from giving their daughters to married men," she said. "Why would they give them to someone who is married and has children? Some people think it´s customary to give their daughters to married men.

"Women never have any rights," she added.

The influence of slightly more liberal Iran also might be feeding frustration. Some of the burn victims had lived there as refugees while Afghanistan was under Taliban rule beginning in the mid-1990s. They returned to a homeland that offers women even fewer rights.

Dowries are particularly daunting in Afghanistan. In a poor nation, older and more established men are more apt to be able to afford the $500 to $1,500 that the groom and his family are expected to pony up.

"It´s like the girls are animals being sold," said Dr. Saleha Hekamt, a female surgeon at the hospital.

The self-immolations have been given a lot of attention by Herat´s public television station, which might have given rise to copycat incidents. One doctor´s young daughter surprised her by threatening to burn herself when she was angry about something.

Local warlord Ismail Khan, who controls much of western Afghanistan, has visited the burn ward and implored girls not to take their lives. He talked to one victim in a televised interview in which she expressed remorse for trying to kill herself. The young woman said she had burned herself because she wanted to have her wedding at a better hall than the families had arranged.

Khan promptly ordered all wedding halls closed and a new one built for everyone to use, so there would be no class distinction in the ceremonies. But the new structure is still far from completion, and the others soon reopened.

To help combat the attempted suicides and other problems, the TV station is running a series of programs titled "Mirror of Edification." Some deal with teaching husbands how they should talk to their wives and how family members should relate to one another.

It might help. Some who burned themselves were chafing under their husbands´ control.

In the bed next to Ahbeda, 27-year-old Fatena initially told doctors that she had set herself on fire because her husband refused to let her watch television. She then said it was an accident. Asked how women are doing in Afghanistan, she replied through her bandages: "All Afghan women have a dark future. Now we have peace, but we still have family problems."

Asked how her husband treats her, she replied, "My husband is a nice man, but he does not have a job."

The night before, a woman named Paimana came in with burns over 90% of her body after setting herself ablaze. She had been married for three years and had a 2-year-old daughter. Her husband had left her, and she was in despair.

In some cases, family members have set the victims on fire. One woman burned her daughter-in-law for reasons that were not clear. The victim died, but the older woman was not punished, doctors said.

If the girls are alive when they get to the hospital, they probably won´t get much better, given the deplorable conditions.

At Ahbeda´s bedside, her father, mother and another woman in a burka tried to hold her writhing limbs still. The room buzzed with people tending the six other burn patients.

Her father´s bright greenish-blue eyes welled with tears as he explained what happened. He had been saying his prayers when he heard a yell from the kitchen and found his daughter burned.

The family had made the decision that Ahbeda would marry the cousin, a farmer, but the father insists that she had agreed.

"My daughter was happy. It was no problem," the father said. Outside the room, Ahbeda´s 21-year-old fiance, Faqir Ahmad, also wept. "I don´t know why this happened."

He had been able to pay only about $300 of the $1,500 dowry, he said, so they weren´t even sure when the wedding would be. "She was my cousin, my relative. She had agreed."

But parents here sometimes don´t tell the truth, said Hekamt, the surgeon. The families fear -- incorrectly -- that doctors won´t treat the young women if the injuries were self-inflicted. If the daughters can talk, they often tell the doctors the truth.
http://www.rawa.org/immolation.htm
 
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Heres another list of taliban atrocities, all before we invaded.

The Afghan people have been the primary victims of Taliban misrule, since the Taliban came to power in 1996. The Taliban militia was formed in 1994, in response to human rights abuses by other warring factions in Afghanistan. By 1996, the Taliban had captured Kabul, and, with claims to religious as well as political authority, began a reign of terror. The Taliban have made the Afghan people the unwilling hosts of foreign armed terrorists, who have exploited and endangered the Afghan people, and made Afghanistan a pariah in the world community.

This updated fact sheet outlines documented atrocities and human rights abuses committed by the Taliban against the Afghan people.

Massacres

The Taliban have massacred hundreds of Afghan civilians, including women and children, in Yakaolang, Mazar-I-Sharif, Bamiyan, Qezelabad, and other towns. Many of the victims of these massacres were targeted because of their ethnic or religious identity.

Massacre at Yakaolang: January 2001

Taliban forces committed a massacre in Yakaolang in January 2001. The victims were primarily Hazaras. The massacre began on January 8, 2001, and continued for four days. The Taliban detained about 300 civilian adult males, including staff members of local humanitarian organizations. The men were herded to assembly points, and then shot by firing squad in public view. According to Human Rights Watch, about 170 men are confirmed to have been killed. According to Amnesty International, eyewitnesses reported the deliberate killing of dozens of civilians hiding in a mosque: Taliban soldiers fired rockets into a mosque where some 73 women, children and elderly men had taken shelter.

Massacre at Robatak Pass: May 2000

The May 2000 massacre took place near the Robatak pass. 31 bodies were found one site, of these, 26 were positively identified as civilians. The victims were Hazara Shi'as.

Massacre in Bamiyan: 1999

When the Taliban recaptured Bamiyan in 1999, there were reports that Taliban forces carried out summary executions upon entering the city. According to Amnesty International, hundreds of men, and some instances women and children, were separated from their families, taken away, and killed. Human Rights Watch reports that besides executing civilians, the Taliban burned homes and used detainees for forced labor.

Massacre in the Shomaili Plains: July 1999

Human Rights Watch reports that a Taliban offensive here was marked by summary executions, the abduction and disappearance of women, the burning of homes, destruction of property, and the cutting down of fruit trees. According to a report by the U.N. Secretary General on November 16, 1999, "The Taliban forces, who allegedly carried out these acts, essentially treated the civilian population with hostility and made no distinction between combatants and non-combatants."

Massacre in Mazar-I-Sharif: August 1998

In August 1998, the Taliban captured Mazar-I-Sharif. There were reports that between 2,000 and 5,000 men, women and children -- mostly ethnic Hazara civilians -- were massacred by the Taliban after the takeover of Mazar-I-Sharif. During the massacre, the Taliban forces carried out a systematic search for male members for the ethnic Hazara, Tajik, and Uzbek communities in the city. Human Rights Watch estimates that scores, perhaps hundreds, of Hazara men and boys were summarily executed. There were also reports that women and girls were raped and abducted during the Taliban takeover of the city.

Massacre in Mazar-I-Sharif: September 1997

Retreating Taliban forces summarily executed Hazara villagers near Mazar-I-Sharif, after having failed to capture the city. Amnesty International reported that the Taliban massacred 70 Hazara civilians, including children, in Qezelabad, near Mazar-I-Sharif. There were also reports that the Taliban forces in Faryab province killed some 600 civilians in late 1997.

Other Massacres: On at least two occasions, according to Human Rights Watch, the Taliban killed delegations of Hazara elders who had attempted to intercede with them.

Human Rights Abuses Against Women and Girls

Taliban rule has been particularly harsh for Afghan women and girls. Taliban restrictions against women and girls are widespread, institutionally sanctioned, and systematic in Taliban-controlled areas of Afghanistan.

• Girls are formally prohibited from attending school.

• Women are prohibited, with very few exceptions, from working outside the home, and are forbidden to leave their homes except in the company of a male relative. These restrictions are devastating for the thousands of Afghan war widows, who have reportedly been reduced to selling their possessions or begging to feed their families.

• The Taliban have significantly reduced women's access to health care, by decreeing that women can only be treated by women doctors.

• The Taliban threaten and beat women to enforce the Taliban's dress code for women.
 
I know northern alliance were not saints, but it appears to me they were much better then the taliban. I have a question, what is so appealing about islamic theocracies?.

You seriously have no clue if you think northern alliance were better than the talibans. the NA murdered and raped as they pleased. The rise of Talebans was because of them. They had kidnapped a teen girl and were holding her hostage to rape, and the girl's family unable to find help anywhere went to a school teacher pleading for help. The teacher took his students (talebans) and fought the warlords and rescued the girl. News spread and everyone calling on them to help against the warlords. Seriously man, go educate yourself before you spread lies about something you are clueless of.
 
The Truth Is There Needs To Be A Meeting Between The Afghan Goverment And The Taliban.

I see nothing wrong with that as long as everyone promises that know one will lose their "head"

i am sorry i just couldnt help myself

:giggling: ;D :D :sunny:
 
You seriously have no clue if you think northern alliance were better than the talibans. the NA murdered and raped as they pleased. The rise of Talebans was because of them. They had kidnapped a teen girl and were holding her hostage to rape, and the girl's family unable to find help anywhere went to a school teacher pleading for help. The teacher took his students (talebans) and fought the warlords and rescued the girl. News spread and everyone calling on them to help against the warlords. Seriously man, go educate yourself before you spread lies about something you are clueless of.

The Taliban was formed to end oppression and corruption in Afghanistan. The filthy kuffar labelled them as terrorists and barbarians, sadly thats what most muslims believe too now. What a shame.
 
ok, tell me this is the northern alliance worse then the taliban? its seems the afgan people are glad the taliban is gone.. i have never read an article by a Normal afgani who likes the taliban./ most articles i read are quite positive and optimistic.
 
The Taliban was formed to end oppression and corruption in Afghanistan. The filthy kuffar labelled them as terrorists and barbarians, sadly thats what most muslims believe too now. What a shame.
They are what they have proven themselvs to be. Kidnappers and killers. :phew
 
I will never understand killing for god.

I dont think anyone is killing for God anymore, its about survival now. With a nation whos back you break 100 times over, if they still stand up and kill for the sake of God, well they are true warriors.
 
I dont think anyone is killing for God anymore, its about survival now. With a nation whos back you break 100 times over, if they still stand up and kill for the sake of God, well they are true warriors.
So one blows one's self for survival. :offended: Interesting concept. I would have never guessed.
 
Ok well we arent killing for God Noble. We are killing people who think they can speak for God. No man speaks for God, The nerve of any man who thinks he can speak for God.
 
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