Teacher debates against the veil decision

[England]

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[Kamilah]

Greetings,

I disagree with the idea that the Muslim woman did this just to "anger Christians". Perhaps it was the only place she could find a job, and she mentioned that she didn't know that the veil would be an issue. She may not have worn it at first, but what if that was because she was not a practising Muslim then? And just because a man can't walk into the room, it doesn't make it "discrimination"! I think a more accurate word would be privacy or precaution.

She may not have articulated her defence very well, though I don't believe that constitutes making a fool of oneself, much less an absence of qualification. Jumping to conclusions and resorting to degrading remarks doesn't make things any better.

Peace.

Totally agree, the sister has been victimised and explioted!! she has been used as a tool by the world media who have drawn her into the arena of dirty state politics!!

She had every right to sue the school... if Jack Straw and his ilk hadnt commented on this issue would have never have got to where it has...and it wouldnt have given the school (and the rest of the islamaphobes) ammunition to treat her in such an unfair way.

She may not have articulately put her argument forward...but who wouldnt feel vulnerable when the world is staring at you with scrutiny.

 

[syilla]

i feel sorry for her....

InshaAllah...she will find a better school.

 

[Keltoi]

I wouldn't personally have a problem with any woman wearing a veil if it was part of her religious belief, teacher or no teacher. If the kids can hear her voice and use their own eyes to read and look at things the teacher draws attention to on the chalkboard I don't see the issue really. It might be healthy for the children to have that kind of teacher/student relationship with someone not of their particular cultural norm. Not being British, I find this whole debate rather silly.

 

[Pygoscelis]

If there is no security issue involved, and I haven't heard of any being claimed, what other reason is there to forbid her from wearing the veil?

 

[GARY]

I don't think she did it to anger anyone, but the fact remains, it is a christian school. The situation is unfortunate, but if it were a muslim school, I am sure there would be rules imposed upon any woman wanting to teach there. She has no right to sue. If she wishes to wear the veil she should look to be employed at a muslim school, not a christian school.

 

[Musaafirah]

I don't think she did it to anger anyone, but the fact remains, it is a christian school. The situation is unfortunate, but if it were a muslim school, I am sure there would be rules imposed upon any woman wanting to teach there. She has no right to sue. If she wishes to wear the veil she should look to be employed at a muslim school, not a christian school.

You know, in the Islamic School I attended, the only condition set for the non-muslim teachers, was for them to dress modestly. By that I don't mean they had to don the Islamic attire or anything...

 

[Hijaabi22]

erm altho im all 4 da veil (big up 2 all am veiled sisterzzzz :rock: ) wenever i see a veiled sis i aaaaaaalways wonder wat she luks like, now teachers are like wid da children on a daily basis, i dunno bout u guys but personally, if i was bein taught by a teacher or had a tecahing assisstant wid da veil on id feel rather uncomfortable. :? am i bein mean? :? ah well jus statin ma opinion.

hmm i duno

 

[glo]

I really feel sorry for the sister, for the fact that she couldn't answer the Question, the following day her lawer explained what had actually happend, which wasnt a very bad or sinistar thing!!

I had not seen this footage before.
I too felt sorry for her - TV interviewers are well trained in putting people on the spot and getting their answers, and not necessarily being compassionate in their approach!

However, even behind the veil it is apparent that the teacher realises very quickly that by answering the question about attending the interview without wearing the veil, she will lose her credibility with the public ... which is why she stalls and tries to avoid answering ...

What do you mean by 'her lawer explained what had actually happend'?

Do you follow the news? Do you know why she had no face cover when the man interviewed her?

Like I said, I have not followed this very much in the media.
Can you tell me, why she didn't wear the veil during the interview?

 

[Kamilah]

However, even behind the veil it is apparent that the teacher realises very quickly that by answering the question about attending the interview without wearing the veil, she will lose her credibility with the public ... which is why she stalls and tries to avoid answering ...

her technique in which she uses to answers questions on live television is totally irrelevent..she is not on a murder trial here...so please desist from being so critical.

she may have just been nervous.

Like I said, I have not followed this very much in the media.
Can you tell me, why she didn't wear the veil during the interview?

If you have not followed this much...then why comment freely?

she was told the Interview was going to be conducted by females hence why it wasnt necessary for her to wear her veil during the Interview

besides, why does this matter so much..? people change, circumstances do change in persons life.

 

[Umar001]

If you have not followed this much...then why comment freely?

Sister, Assalamu aleykum, Glo was just asking, she didnt critisise the sister, Glo just said that it seems as if the sister in the video was sure that if she answered she would be seen as wrong, so Glo asked for clarification thats all.

I had not seen this footage before.
I too felt sorry for her - TV interviewers are well trained in putting people on the spot and getting their answers, and not necessarily being compassionate in their approach!

Yes well that's their job, I hate people, specially Muslims going on the news, when I get married, I will tell my wife and kids and their family not to go on the news specially live, because to be honest news dudes and dudettes want a story and ask all sorts of things. It only seems in alot of cases that lawers and those who have knowledge of the media can kind of divert attention from issues they don't want to discuss in a discreat manner.

However, even behind the veil it is apparent that the teacher realises very quickly that by answering the question about attending the interview without wearing the veil, she will lose her credibility with the public ... which is why she stalls and tries to avoid answering ...

What do you mean by 'her lawer explained what had actually happend'?

Her lawyer speaking the next day I think, to BBC or something was saying that she was upset at the way that she was questioned, what had happend was something like this,

She came wearing the veil, then a teacher, female, took her to interview her so she felt comfortable in taking the veil off so she took it off and then half way through a man walked in, so it's not like the sister just thought 'ok I'll let the guy interview me with no veil on so I wont put him off' as would have been thought if she had said 'yes a guy interviewed me' but she was caught by suprise, I dont know if she then put the veil on or not, I dont think she did, I dont know why.

But you do see that the way the interviewer questioned it 'were you interviewed by a male member face to face' is hard to answer, because its not a simple yes or no, its a yes, but it was something needed to be explained, it wasnt that she just strolled in with nothing on, she actually took it off because she was with a woman.

Anyhow, thats all I can remember.

Eesa

 

[glo]

Sister, Assalamu aleykum, Glo was just asking, she didnt critisise the sister, Glo just said that it seems as if the sister in the video was sure that if she answered she would be seen as wrong, so Glo asked for clarification thats all.

Thank you, Eesa. I really appreciate those kind words.

I have come to realise that wearing the veil is an extremely emotive issue for many muslimahs, and that many are prepared to defend it fiercly.
I am sure Kamilah misunderstood my questions.

Yes well that's their job, I hate people, specially Muslims going on the news, when I get married, I will tell my wife and kids and their family not to go on the news specially live, because to be honest news dudes and dudettes want a story and ask all sorts of things. It only seems in alot of cases that lawers and those who have knowledge of the media can kind of divert attention from issues they don't want to discuss in a discreat manner.

I agree.
Live interviews must be really tough, especially if you are not used to being interviewed and have no strategies to get yourself out of difficult questions ...

Her lawyer speaking the next day I think, to BBC or something was saying that she was upset at the way that she was questioned, what had happend was something like this,

I can understand that she was upset. I would have been too!

I hope this doesn't sounds flippant. It is not meant that way - just a comment through they eyes of a Westerner ...
But I thought that wearing the veil must have been really helpful in that situation ... at least people couldn't fully see the level of her distress and embarrassment!

She came wearing the veil, then a teacher, female, took her to interview her so she felt comfortable in taking the veil off so she took it off and then half way through a man walked in, so it's not like the sister just thought 'ok I'll let the guy interview me with no veil on so I wont put him off' as would have been thought if she had said 'yes a guy interviewed me' but she was caught by suprise, I dont know if she then put the veil on or not, I dont think she did, I dont know why.

But you do see that the way the interviewer questioned it 'were you interviewed by a male member face to face' is hard to answer, because its not a simple yes or no, its a yes, but it was something needed to be explained, it wasnt that she just strolled in with nothing on, she actually took it off because she was with a woman.

Anyhow, thats all I can remember.

Eesa

Thank you. That puts things into perspective for me.

I noticed that the teacher seemed to be quite young.
It can be difficult for any of us to stand up for the things we believe in and should be upholding.
Perhaps she hoped that the man would go quickly again, perhaps she just wanted to complete the interview without having to explain herself.
Perhaps, perhaps ... it is always easy to pick at situations and say 'if only' with the benefit of hindsight ...

I hope she finds the right job for herself!