Teachers Should Lie To Their Students

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I strongly believe that gradeschool teachers should lie to the children at the end of their time of being their teacher, such as just prior to graduation from lower school or whatever (grade 8 where I'm at).

Start subtle and see who catches on. Get those who catch on to agree to play along with the ruse, and make the ruse more and more elaborate and obviously flawed as you go, until all of the students have caught on.

This would be a very fun game of deception that children would both enjoy and learn (a lot) from. It would teach them not to blindly accept what authority figures have to say.
 
Pygoscelis said:
I strongly believe that gradeschool teachers should lie to the children at the end of their time of being their teacher, such as just prior to graduation from lower school or whatever (grade 8 where I'm at).

Start subtle and see who catches on. Get those who catch on to agree to play along with the ruse, and make the ruse more and more elaborate and obviously flawed as you go, until all of the students have caught on.

This would be a very fun game of deception that children would both enjoy and learn (a lot) from. It would teach them not to blindly accept what authority figures have to say.
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Nice theory, but it is assuming to much.

Assuming the person will learn. He might but their is no gurantee.
Assuming the person can easily differentiate between a deception and something that is authentic.
It might make them quite edgey and make them obsessed in not trusting anyyone (phobia).
Their is some flaw in it. One need to have some basic criterion to make judgement but that will not stop one from being deceived.
 
a fun game of deception? is there such a thing?:blind:

the childeren of today are so deeply hypnotised by todays media and music and junk, there are very few who sit back, even on the bus, to think of what is true and what is false,about what is worthy and what is not, about what is just and what is not...and all the valuable questions one should be preoccupied with in order to gain their own understanding of events and situations....

ur hypothesis (NOT THEORY) would simply drag the kids deep into ur game.as you dig deeper, they will fall in.few would dare to look up, see the light and try to climb out.they will just go with the flow and ruin themselves in ur "fun game of deception" coz all they're caring about is which track the Black eyed peas are gna release next...
 
It might be beneficial for the students that are bright enough to catch on, and are also bright enough to see the lesson in it. But what of the students that are lacking in intelligence? It may just confuse them and cause them to become distrustful. These are the students that the last two posters warn might not benefit.
 
A teacher once did that to me, years back now, but it still makes me think twice about things till this day!

Although it maybe something worth considering, there is no way such action could be justified. A student maybe left psychologically traumatised for a long time.
 
sometimes human think they think better than the others....

sometimes human think they are so great...that others are so stupid

i wonder when the human can be humble and truly learn...
 
sumeyye said:
a fun game of deception? is there such a thing?:blind:
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Oh absolutely! You don't enjoy games of critical thinking?

ur hypothesis (NOT THEORY) would simply drag the kids deep into ur game.
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That is an awfully pessimistic view. I believe that most if not all children would catch on rather quickly. If not, then they will catch on later, as the ruse becomes more and more obvious. Even the most dense will have to wonder when you start stating blatantly obvious untruths.

As for them becoming distrustful of authority, that is the point. The lesson is to get them not to blindly accept whatever teacher says, which should carry over to society at large.

As you noted people today are like sheep and are very easily herded by the media. They will believe and follow without question way too easily.

THe reason for it being a teacher at the end of their time as teacher is to avoid ruining any important relationship with the ruse.

It is just a theory yes. Just a thought I had. I've been taking in input from various boards and I thank the folks who have responded for their views, and encourage others to post theirs. Don't feel you must agree with me. Don't feel you must agree with the majority of responses. Lemme know what you really think :)
 
Well I have a concern, lies cannot be taught to children in any form. The thought forming the basis of your theory is very strong. We have to teach children to not be a sheep in the herd. Nevertheless, there can be other ways/games/activities to ensure that our students understand this.

For eg., for middle school or higher school students the teacher can select articles from out dated newspapers/gossip magazines, of whom she knows the conclusion. The article can envolve the students' favourite celebrity/character/situation/issue to arouse interest. Then the article can be read and discussed in the classroom. The teacher can ask students to put forward a conclusion to the issue of what they might think is true or false in the article etc. In the end, the teacher can tell her students the aftermath of the whole news/gossip.

Students will learn that all that appears in the media and around them is not always true. "All That Gliters Is Not Gold"
 
Pygoscelis said:
Oh absolutely! You don't enjoy games of critical thinking?



That is an awfully pessimistic view. I believe that most if not all children would catch on rather quickly. If not, then they will catch on later, as the ruse becomes more and more obvious. Even the most dense will have to wonder when you start stating blatantly obvious untruths.

As for them becoming distrustful of authority, that is the point. The lesson is to get them not to blindly accept whatever teacher says, which should carry over to society at large.

As you noted people today are like sheep and are very easily herded by the media. They will believe and follow without question way too easily.

THe reason for it being a teacher at the end of their time as teacher is to avoid ruining any important relationship with the ruse.

It is just a theory yes. Just a thought I had. I've been taking in input from various boards and I thank the folks who have responded for their views, and encourage others to post theirs. Don't feel you must agree with me. Don't feel you must agree with the majority of responses. Lemme know what you really think :)
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Heya Pygo.. seing ur serious about it.

Islam forbids lying full stop, regardless of the motive. Except under three conditions.

1. To reconcilse between two people.
2. In case of war.
3. Husbands speech to wife and visa versa.

Your proposal doesn't fulfill either of those rquirements, so we can't support it :sunny:

*honestly im not tryin 2 stir nething here... just sayin!*

tc all the best.
 
Thank you. So I can safely assume that any muslim would oppose this idea, or lies in general except for under those conditions? I'm collecting data on the idea from numerous boards. Thanks for the representative islamic view.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Thank you. So I can safely assume that any muslim would oppose this idea, or lies in general except for under those conditions? I'm collecting data on the idea from numerous boards. Thanks for the representative islamic view.
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yeh i guess so :)

Btw I'm not trying ot play spokesperson btw... just quoting what the Prophet himself said, which is what a Muslim would agree to abide by :?
 
Well I think it's dangerous, Mark twain once said, a lie can travel halfway past the globe before the truth can even put his shoes on. How can you keep the experiment from going out of hand? The last thing we want is yet another misconception on the world.
I would say: People love to spread the poison, but don't always bother spreading the antidote.
 
sumeyye said:
like decptive gestures and looks ayyy??
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Nope:

Imagine a Jigsaw Puzzle. I select the pieces and reveal it to you and leave out other pieces. You get a picture based on that and henceforth make you react in a certain way or lull you into something.

What I don't show you is the complete picture. Deception.
 
hmmmmm....

i guess we shud leave this 'deception' to the pros...u seem like an experienced deciever urself...:)
 
The teacher should be the symbole for the students so what ever he face he should say the truth or let the topic open for his students to think and analyse
 

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