Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

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Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -

They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment.

And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them (Messengers), We shall give them their rewards, and Allah is Ever Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.


The people of the Scripture (Jews) ask you to cause a book to descend upon them from heaven. Indeed they asked Musa (Moses) for even greater than that, when they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were struck with thunder clap and lightning for their wickedness. Then they worshipped the calf even after clear proofs, evidences, and signs had come to them. (Even) so We forgave them. And We gave Musa (Moses) a clear proof of authority.

And for their covenant, We raised over them the Mount and (on the other occasion) We said: "Enter the gate prostrating (or bowing) with humility;" and We commanded them: "Transgress not (by doing worldly works on) the Sabbath (Saturday)." And We took from them a firm covenant.


Because of their breaking the covenant, and of their rejecting the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, and of their killing the Prophets unjustly, and of their saying: "Our hearts are wrapped (with coverings, i.e. we do not understand what the Messengers say)" - nay, Allah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little.

And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse);


And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:

But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All*Powerful, All*Wise.

And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being], before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them.


[Qur'an 4: 150-159]






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Hi Everyone:

I just thought that I would add to Brenton's efficient response to Question 1.

Q1. How many Holy Books are acceptable so far? Which one is more accurate?

In addition to Brendon's response, please note that the Bible must be read with a fair degree of common sense. As Jesus is the head of the Church, all of His words take precedent along with words attributed to God as recorded by the Prophets. Useful information provided by the Apostles, Prophets and others then follow.

It should be noted not everything spoken by a Prophet or done by a Prophet should be followed. That is where much of the "common sense" reading is useful. Jonah was a Prophet who deliberately disobeyed God. There are many lessons that we can learn from his actions; however, we certainly do not follow him just because he was a Prophet.

The book of Job contains some bad counsel given by Job’s friends; however it is only confirmed by God at the end of the book that the information was incorrect.

The point is that all of the Biblical books are acceptable and accurate, but we should use common sense in deciding what to follow. A common sense understanding can be facilitated by reading the entire Bible from beginning to end rather than reading a few verses here and there.

Regards,
Grenville
 
Shalom,

I assume it would be wise for me to leave since Muslims and Christians are very sensitive when it comes to the subject of Mary. I was just stating the Jewish belief which the creator of this thread asked.
 
rav said:
Shalom,

I assume it would be wise for me to leave since Muslims and Christians are very sensitive when it comes to the subject of Mary. I was just stating the Jewish belief which the creator of this thread asked.
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Nah. That's your view. I would have been surprised if you had had a different one.


And I've already given mine previously, and haven't seen much on this thread to interact with, thus I hadn't bothered posting mutliple times.

The quote from the Qur'an leaves me asking a few questions though
Cursed be the Makers of the Pit * (Of) The fire abounding ((kept burning) in fuel
When they were seated over (sat by) it
They were themselves witnesses of what they did with the believers
They took revenge on them only because they believed in God the All-mighty, the the Praised
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AzizMostafa, you say this is regarding an historical event that I had never heard of before, so I was sort of interested in it. But I'm having trouble making sense of the passage from the Qur'an. It uses lots of pronouns "they", "them" but there are no antecedents for those pronouns, so I am not sure if the pronouns refer to the Jews or the Christians, or if some of each. Can you help a little?
 
Rav, Shalom, Please, do not leave!
1. Do fathers and/or mothers create children? Or neither?
2. Who created Adam + Eve before, when they were nothing?
3. Is it hard for God to create anything, anywhere + anytime? Or easy?
4. You believe that Mary(am) did have relations with someone ++,
is that why you rejected Jesus prophesy and desired to crucify him?
5. Regarding the Holocaust, how come you know the history back to -6th but not +6th century?
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Thanks for your frank answers + Flowers
 
AzizMostafa said:
Rav, Shalom, Please, do not leave!
1. Do fathers and/or mothers create children? Or neither?
2. Who created Adam + Eve before, when they were nothing?
3. Is it hard for God to create anything, anywhere + anytime? Or easy?
4. You believe that Mary(am) did have relations with someone ++,
is that why you rejected Jesus prophesy and desired to crucify him?
5. Regarding the Holocaust, how come you know the history back to -6th but not +6th century?
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Thanks for your frank answers + Flowers
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Shalom, before I post, I wish to explain that I mean you or your beliefs no disrespect since your beliefs are monotheistic to the best of my knowledge, so I am only explaining my point of view here and not attempting to convince you of anything.

1. That is a very profound question but let me ask you, if the father or the mother are not a part of the process of creating the child will the child be created? But I am sure you have a response so let us move to #2.

2. G-d created Adam and Eve, however, there is a huge difference. An explanation I will give you is that it is written by HaRav Avigdor Miller, zt"l, that although G-d could have done it, but He would not have, because then "wicked women in the future would claim the same thing if they committed adultery". Let me request you to answer an inquiry of mine. Would you believe any women in a Muslim country that condemns pre-marital sex that claimed she had no sexual relations before marriage and it was a “virgin birth”… Why not, can’t G-d do it? If you also wish to advocate that it can only happen once, why can it only happen once then? It is not written anywhere in the scriptures prior to Jesus, that any type of virgin birth would take place. Of course I am sure you will claim it was “corrupted”, which is of course the convenient answer.

3. Of course it is not hard, but then again, G-d is infinite and he can do anything he wants, so how about we go deeper into the nature of G-d, where this is of course all an example. Why couldn’t G-d have lied to Mohammad? Are you suggesting G-d could not have lied? He is infinite and can do whatever he wants right?!? Why can he not have lied to Mohammad?

4. Your interpretation of history is a bit off. The Jews in that era were not in the crucifying business. Jews were commonly crucified. I of course as not there so I have no idea what occurred, but I can interpret history with the facts presented to me. The facts are that a common “miracle” in pagan religion was a “virgin birth”. Here is information that was taken from a website, but please check all of the info if you wish:

He lists a number of Pagan Gods born of virgins: Danae, Melanippe, Auge and Antiope. The stories about these Gods are "ancient," says Origin, but unlike the story of Jesus' virgin birth, only fables. [Origin, Against Celsus 1, 37]

"He was born of a virgin, accept this in common with what you believe of Perseus." [Justin Martyr, First Apology, 22]

According to one story, the Roman Emperor Augustus's mother was worshipping in the temple of Apollo when she fell asleep and was impregnated by the god [Suetonius Lives of the Caesars: Augustus 94] Other examples of virgin born Gods

Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki
Savior Dionysus was born of the virgin Semele.
Buddha too was born of a virgin,
The old Teutonic goddess Hertha was a virgin impregnated by the heavenly Spirit and bore a son.
Scandinavian Frigga was impregnated by the All-Father Odin and bore Balder, the healer and savior of mankind.

Roman Pagan Religion: Attis was a son of the virgin Nana.​

5. I do not understand your question about the Holocaust and the centuries, can you be more specific?
 
All in one:
If I witness a new-born fatherless Jew say in the cradle that his/her grandmother had been killed by Hitler, I will believe in the Holocaust and will never suggest that he/she could have lied.
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Peace+Flowers
 
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AzizMostafa said:
> Everyone, including the Prophet Muhammad pbuh makes mistakes. She wasn't an angel of some kind...

Malaikah, please
1. mention one+only one mistake made by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)?
2. explain what the 2words "Is6afaki+6a7araki = chosen you, and purified you" in 3:42 of the Glorious Quran mean?
And when the angels said, "Mary(am), God has chosen you, and purified you; He has chosen you above all women * Mary, be obedient to your Lord, prostrating and bowing before Him"..
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Thanks with Flowers
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Surah Abasa
 
All in one:
If I witness a new-born fatherless Jew say in the cradle that his/her grandmother had been killed by Hitler, I will believe in the Holocaust and will never suggest that he could have lied.
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what in the world does this mean? i am completely confused by this statement.
 
i'm sorry? i dont understand...i thought it was the Prophet(peace be upon him) who frowned and turned away
wassalam
 
AzizMostafa said:
All in one:
If I witness a new-born fatherless Jew say in the cradle that his/her grandmother had been killed by Hitler, I will believe in the Holocaust and will never suggest that he/she could have lied.
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Peace+Flowers
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Shalom (Peace),

I evidently do not understand the correlation between your statement and the subject of this dialogue. Could you clear up the difficulties I am having in attempting to decipher the relevance of your statement. That way I can answer your question accurately.

Thank you.
 
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Fi_Sabilillah, that is contrary to what Quran says:
"Surely you (Prophet Mohammed) are upon a mighty morality."
Do you need reference?
 
AzizMostafa said:

According to your religion:
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1. How many Holy Books are acceptable so far? Which one is more accurate?
2. Who represents your Religion today? The Body + Head?
3. Is your Religion changeable? Or was IT Changed? By who + When?
4. How many divisions are there within your religion? Why?
5. Does your religion hold the Sate + Religious Authority separable or inseparable?
6. Could the 2 heads — State + Religious Authority— be One?
8. Should the 2 heads go complementary or in different/opposite directions?
9 Is the Religious Authority allowed to interfere in the State affairs?
10 Is the State allowed to interfere in the affairs of Religious Authority?
11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
12. Who was responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion?
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Very Short + Accurate Answers without mix-up, please!
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:sl: for number two body is paper head is pen
and accuser of maryum and killer of jakariah for number eleven:w:
 
Fi_Sabilillah, Again that contradicts (68:4) :
"Surely you (Prophet Mohammed) are upon a mighty morality ".
And that contradicts (3:159-161) too.
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It was by some mercy of God that you were gentle to them (believers)
Had you been harsh and hard of heart, they would have scattered from about you
So pardon them, and pray forgiveness for them, and take counsel with them in the affair
And when you are resolved, put your trust in God; surely God loves those who put their trust
If God helps you, none can overcome you, but if He forsakes you, who then can help you after Him?
Therefore in God let the believers put all their trust
It is not for a prophet to be fraudulent
whoso defrauds shall bring the fruits of his fraud on the Day of Resurrection
Then every soul shall be paid in full what it has earned, and they shall not be wronged
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See also:
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-sources/37733-best-tafsir.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/38200-translation-quran-important-2.html
Peace+Flowers
 
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