terrorism and hijab

[nihma333]

Really? What is sad?
If I owned a valuable Ferrari I would not expose it to public view unless I had to. Gold bars are locked in bank vaults. Jewelry is hidden in safes. If women were treated like commodities in the West, they would be treated as if they were valuable.

That is exactly why women where hijab!!!!!!


....Maybe you need to look up the term commodity again... Because luxuries are not only seen as commoditites. Toilet paper is a commodity too, andything of monetary value...something that can be bought and sold. And sadly, that's what many Western women are viewed as.

peace to you,
Naimah

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
surly you sisters would protect something that is valuable, like jewellery in safe, so shouldn't you protect your modesty and beauty behind a veil and also wear hijab?
wasalam

 

[HeiGou]

But if they were objects for sale, how would they be treated? If I owned a valuable Ferrari I would not expose it to public view unless I had to. Gold bars are locked in bank vaults. Jewelry is hidden in safes. If women were treated like commodities in the West, they would be treated as if they were valuable.

That is exactly why women where hijab!!!!!!

So you are saying that Muslim men treat Muslim women just like they would treat their Ferraris, their gold or their jewelry? As possessions? Come on now, you cannot believe that.

....Maybe you need to look up the term commodity again... Because luxuries are not only seen as commoditites. Toilet paper is a commodity too, andything of monetary value...something that can be bought and sold. And sadly, that's what many Western women are viewed as.

Ahh, so the distinction you are trying to draw is that both Western women and Muslim women are treated as objects to be bought and sold, it is just that Western women are cheap?

I agree it is how many Western women are viewed, especially by men from certain cultures, but it is not how Western women are, as it happens. They cannot be bought and sold. They can be charmed, persuaded, even tricked, but not bought and sold. Unlike Afghan women.

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
in islam, women have to follow thier faith which is to cover themselves and protect thier modesty, and if they are married then it is natural that the husband is to be protective and have some control over his wife, that does not mean we are denying them thier freedom, but the limits has to be within the islamic boundaries
who said women are sold and bought? and am not sure about your reference to afghan women
wasalam

 

[HeiGou]

In islam, women have to follow thier faith which is to cover themselves and protect thier modesty, and if they are married then it is natural that the husband is to be protective and have some control over his wife, that does not mean we are denying them thier freedom, but the limits has to be within the islamic boundaries

Now this is a defence of Islamic law I can respect. It does not pick on me for a start. If you want to say this is what God wants, say this is what God wants. Do not say that you do it because it stops boys whistling at you in the street. Even if it were true it would still not be a solution.

who said women are sold and bought? and am not sure about your reference to afghan women

Well it has been widely reported in the Western media recently. Perhaps that does not convince you.

But I think the relevant question is - can marriage come with an exchange of money that leaves the bride's family much better off? Is this prohibited in Islam?

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
more on hijab
Quoted by Sheikh Shuraim, Imam of Haram Of Makkah

Also, know my Muslim sister that to conceal your face and allow your eyebrows, cheekbone, and bridge of the nose to remain uncovered is clear error. Some women use this as a ploy to cover up their inadequate features. They will uncover what they like and cover what they dislike. If our woman folk exit their homes having beautified themselves, uncovering more that what they cover, perfumed, while using their eyes and movement to attract the attention of men, they are indeed calling to deviance and disorder.

Quoted by Sheikh Sudais, Imam of Haram Of Makkah

By Allah you will be praised, you will please your household and make your home happy, you will perfect your hijab, you will perfect your chastity, relieve others and you will make yourself happy and comfortable.
How many young women get trapped and how much tragedy happens when the hijab is destroyed and the jilbab (outer garment) is taken off and the `wolves` (wicked men) devour the women? Such is as a result of sufoor and mingling with men in jobs, schools, and market places.

wasalam

 

[HeiGou]

Quoted by Sheikh Sudais, Imam of Haram Of Makkah

By Allah you will be praised, you will please your household and make your home happy, you will perfect your hijab, you will perfect your chastity, relieve others and you will make yourself happy and comfortable.
How many young women get trapped and how much tragedy happens when the hijab is destroyed and the jilbab (outer garment) is taken off and the `wolves` (wicked men) devour the women? Such is as a result of sufoor and mingling with men in jobs, schools, and market places.

So this Mufti is basically claiming that rape is the fault of women who go out in public places to work or get educated or shop?

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
what this sheikh/khateeb is saying is that if muslim womens dont cover themselves properlt they attract men which could lead to other things
and sheikh shuraim is also giving the importance of covering and what to cover
wasalam

 

[firdous]

salamz it is not just about women covering themselves but men also

they too need to guard their modesty and take hole of thier desires...

women wearing hijab do not just look at it from a cultural prospective but from a religious one. because arguments and debates are taking a different path from the original debate 'women waering hijab...etc'

gtg

 

[Tasneem]

If a woman wears no hijab then men can/will lust at her face...
And then it gets crazy from that point..like when i did'nt cover my face before
guys would follow me in stores i turn arouund and a guys right there looking at me!Its sick men out here and praise be to Allah who has told us how to protect ourselves...when i did'nt cover my face i would be afraid at night of a sick guy coming in and rapin me..this stuff is serious its no laughing matter...
I see girls downtown in the summer when a guy looks at them they just laugh and say to there friends,''you see him looking at me?!''Its not funny....

 

[bezimany 071]

So this Mufti is basically claiming that rape is the fault of women who go out in public places to work or get educated or shop?

the chance of muslim sister getting raped who wears hijab is very very small compared to a non muslim woman, who wears tight clothes, skimpy outfits and mini skirts revealing her "hourglass" figure if you will.....i also know that many non muslim women dont wear revealing outfits, but in fact dress very presentable, classy and even behave polite......however, they spend a lot of time into their appearance (hair and make up), so basicaly man has more attraction to that which he can see with his eye, than that which is unknown to him.......

and muslim sister who wears hijab doesnt loose her beauty at all, in fact i believe it makes her look more classy and respectful......once again, every sister who wears it chose to do so, those who dont wear it also made that choice..

peace
bez

 

[HeiGou]

the chance of muslim sister getting raped who wears hijab is very very small compared to a non muslim woman, who wears tight clothes, skimpy outfits and mini skirts revealing her "hourglass" figure if you will.

Why do you think that is? Many parts of the Muslim world have all the high risk factors you could imagine for rape - lots of single, young, unemployed men for instance. A bad demographic. Cultures that blame women for being raped. Cultures that do not encourage reporting of rape. Cultures that do not result in the prosecution of many rapists. A rapist in many parts of the Muslim world knows he has an excellent chance of getting away with it, and in fact of it not being reported at all. Even if it is, he knows there is a good chance he will be acquitted. And there are large numbers of young men who are not too busy earning a living, who do not have a girlfriend or any chance of getting one, and are generally alienated.

Now no one knows what the figures for rape are in the Muslim world. But it is clear that Egyptian newspapers are full of accounts of gang rapes even while the government says there are none. It is also clear that many gang rapes have occured in the West have been committed by boys from certain religious and cultural backgrounds. Care to guess what those backgrounds are?

....i also know that many non muslim women dont wear revealing outfits, but in fact dress very presentable, classy and even behave polite......however, they spend a lot of time into their appearance (hair and make up), so basicaly man has more attraction to that which he can see with his eye, than that which is unknown to him.......

Which does not explain rape in any way shape or form. Rapists are sad, single, lonely men who are usually socially inadequate. What women wear or do not wear is not a big problem. Children are raped. Old women in their 80s are raped. Cripples are raped. Desire as normal people would understand it has little to do with it.

and muslim sister who wears hijab doesnt loose her beauty at all, in fact i believe it makes her look more classy and respectful......once again, every sister who wears it chose to do so, those who dont wear it also made that choice..

You say every sister and yet you must know this is not true. In much of the world women have no choice at all. Women in the West have the choice (although there is some degree of complusion from relatives) and I am all for that. Wearing the hijab is hardly the worst thing in the world. But why do you think you associate such dress with being classy and respectful? Don't you think that a non-Muslim might see that as a sign you have a problem dealing with women?

 

[HeiGou]

If a woman wears no hijab then men can/will lust at her face...
And then it gets crazy from that point..like when i did'nt cover my face before
guys would follow me in stores i turn arouund and a guys right there looking at me!Its sick men out here and praise be to Allah who has told us how to protect ourselves...when i did'nt cover my face i would be afraid at night of a sick guy coming in and rapin me..this stuff is serious its no laughing matter...
I see girls downtown in the summer when a guy looks at them they just laugh and say to there friends,''you see him looking at me?!''Its not funny....

Am I the only person who sees this as the entire problem in a nutshell?

 

[Halima]

Some of you here come up with the silly notion that women are forced to wear hijab.



A classic example of a distorted quote. What a shame May Allah(swt) give you guidance.

Plenty of people force women to wear the hijab. Any Muslim website will be full of messages that say things like "I forced my sister to wear the jilbalb and now she loves it". I have not looked here but I bet I could find one such message unless the Mods pull them. There is also more subtle pressure

Excuse me but who ever said that muslim women are forced to wear the hijab? When you steryotype 1 muslim woman for the whole female ummah then that is where there problem lies. One cannot do that, they are simply proceeding to become close minded. Come on people. Get your mind of of the gutters and get your information straight for once. In the Quran if you have read, it is most certainly obligatory for an adult woman to wear the hijab wether she likes it or not. There is a reason behind it which is quite obvious. I wiull not get into detail right now because it is your duty to research and get your own facts striaght.

if everyone treats you like a prostitute if you do not wear one, you will quickly wear one

What the heck is this? I am sorry but I WILL NOT waste my time trying to reason with someone that talks like this.

Until you can show to me that you have your senses back I will try to reason with you but I will not waste my time when someone cannot even understand the simple concept of protection given by Allah(swt).

Wether you like it or not the fact of the matter is that muslim woman are much more respected in terms of dressing then any other American/western woman.

You can see for urself from your own peers that they are so much more respected and that they are not being treated as protitues sluts or hoers like the American/western woman are commonly called. As shown in this thread..


http://www.islamicboard.com/general-chat/14945-who-gets-more-respect.html

 

[HeiGou]

Some of you here come up with the silly notion that women are forced to wear hijab.

A classic example of a distorted quote. What a shame May Allah(swt) give you guidance.

The only distortion I can see is made by people who blur the line between "some people are forced to wear the hijab" and "all women are forced to wear the hijab". Do you see why your argument would gain more credibility if it stuck to what I said?

Excuse me but who ever said that muslim women are forced to wear the hijab?

Are you denying that no women in the history of the Islamic world has ever once been forced to wear the hijab? If not, what is the relevance to what I said?

When you steryotype 1 muslim woman for the whole female ummah then that is where there problem lies.

Well no because I did not do that. You did. That is exactly where the problem lies.

In the Quran if you have read, it is most certainly obligatory for an adult woman to wear the hijab wether she likes it or not. There is a reason behind it which is quite obvious. I wiull not get into detail right now because it is your duty to research and get your own facts striaght.

I agree entirely - as far as I can see the Quran says to wear the hijab. So what? Oh, do tell your opinion on why that is?

What the heck is this? I am sorry but I WILL NOT waste my time trying to reason with someone that talks like this.

No one is forcing you. I would be unhappy if you stopped, but I would not want you to continue if it made you feel uncomfortable.

Wether you like it or not the fact of the matter is that muslim woman are much more respected in terms of dressing then any other American/western woman.

That is not a fact. It is an opinion. They may be more respected by many Muslim men who are, generally, not known in the West for the respect they extend women in general and especially Western women. But that is not the same as all men.

You can see for urself from your own peers that they are so much more respected and that they are not being treated as protitues sluts or hoers like the American/western woman are commonly called. As shown in this thread..

I have never called anyone a prostitute or a whore. Nor have I heard anyone call a woman that except on TV - American rappers (many of whom are, oddly enough, Muslims or friendly with Muslims) tend to.

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
ok, the overall point is that muslim women have to wear hijab, as it is commanded by allah that women and men have to cover up
and yes it is true that those who attract men are likely to end up in tragedy as Sheikh Sudais has mentioned
wasalam

 

[bezimany 071]

where did you read or hear information on muslim women in large numbers (u seem to make it sound that way) being raped in muslim world as well as gang rapes....i would appreciate any source of information where you got this, i would like to see this for myself......i dont disagree, rapes happen everywhere, but in usa rapists, can get out on bail (not to mention child molesters who get 8 yrs for molesting a child...but thats another can of worms i dont want to get into righ now) and in usa there are thos women who dont report rape either, why i dont know, embarresment?...reputation?.....fear?....i dont know?...........i know in muslim countires people who do get caught doing sung things face severe punisjment, i mean if they take your hand for stealing, immagine what they do if you steal someones innocence

and you are profiling rapists.....yes....they do have a problem in the first place to be doing what they do......still i never said its womans fault that she got raped, but there is something that she can do to protect herself.....some women carry paper spray, muslim women wear hijab, i dont think you will understand this, but they wear hijab for Allah Swt.....not for me or you or her husband.....so if she wears it for Him, He gives her protection at all times, this is bigger than me or you could understand, ask any sister and see if they disagree......

you said and i quote "in much of the world woman have no choice at all?.....homie you watch too much TV....name those parts of the world name those countries and regions and lets see if it really makes up most of the world.....we got brothers and sisters from most of the world right here on this forum....from all parts, so how come there isnt one muslim that agrees with you on this post, if there is any sister here on this forum that is forced to wear hijab at least she is not forced to type and post messages on this forum....only people who disgree on this post are non muslims.....think about that....there are muslims from india pakistan usa malasia arab coutries and europe on this forum....over 200 visits per day......and most of them are muslim.....and there is not one muslim who thinks let alone believe that hijab has to do anything with terrorism or forcing woman to do what she doesnt want to.......coinsidence?....i think not

peace
bez

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

I keep bringing it up because it is relevant.

To you maybe but not to me. If it’s got nothing to do with Islam it’s got nothing to do with me. You follow?

What Muslim boys do - harrass women on the streets –

Which part of “theres a black sheep in VERY community didn’t you understand?”

is relevant and caused by many factors some of which are Islamic.

Now that’s surprise- care to lay your evidence on that table?

Now the justification given for the hijab was the behaviour of those boys. I keep pointing out the only solution is to change those boys' behaviour. You can change their behaviour so that they behave Islamically if you like, but their behaviour needs to change.

When you talk about my brother’s in islam like that- that the reason we (women) wear the Hijab because of them- because they can’t control themselves- then someone needs to put you to you place!

You see my brothers in Islam none can be compared to them- those that follow Islam from Quran and Sunnah- no other man is like them. They are modest, kind, caring and most of all God-Fearing. They are not man by gender but they are real men something that men of the west aren’t. They know how to take care of real women. Why? Because they have Islam. Muhammad is their role model. A role Model that is perfect in every sense, in every move. Something that you don’t have.

And yet you are silent about the plight of your sisters and so very eloquent about the plight of kafir women. Why is that?

You brought and presented to me the culture of a country when I we were discussing about ISLAM and the West!

You know for someone who claims they are open minded you write a lot of nonsense.

Firstly try and understand Islam from Quran and Sunnah not from the action of some Muslims. Secondly if you want debate an issue regarding Islam and the treatment of women in Islam bring your evidence not you ridicules claims.

The problems taking place in Afghanistan is easy to resolve with ISLAM. If the people practised the true Islam then these problems wouldn’t arise- culture that conflicts with Islam would be left aside.

Except as we all know women are not bought and sold in the West.

The sexuality of the Western has become a commodity that will give any male person the understanding that a Western woman is available.

They are in the Muslim world - whether that is Islamic or not.

Due to culture NOT ISLAM. End of.

Looking back at your post's there seems to be a lot of things regarding marriage. Hence I’d ask you to start a thread on women in Islam and marriage :rollseyes

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Read some of these articles

http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

http://www.islamfortoday.com/emerick15.htm

 

[hidaayah]

I agree entirely - as far as I can see the Quran says to wear the hijab. So what? Oh, do tell your opinion on why that is?

The quran is our constitution..its the book we follow and whatever it says its ryte..!! so if we want to , or don't we must altogether submit to it coz are name muslim means to submit..!!..we've been bought in turn of our lives. quran says:

9.111 . Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain . It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Quran . Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made , for that is the supreme triumph .

and the reasons to wear hijaab are given in the quran itself...

33.59 . O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them ( when they go abroad ) . That will be better , that so they may be recognized and not annoyed . Allah is ever Forgiving , Merciful .

means.. that hijaab is the identity of a Muslim woman..!! its the identity of a pious n respectful woman..!! and experience tells me that no one will say anything to you and u will be respected..
peace