Terrorist Bomb Plot: Three Men Convicted

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Salam alaykum

At the Europe at the year 2009 happened several "terrorist attacks". 2% of them were "islamic". The media calls now almost all attacks as islamics and forget all others.

What were those 98% then?
 
aamirsaab said:
1:43 in the video linked in first post.
"Their defense said really this plot was nothing more than bluster. That they were trying to act big and never would follow through on their threats."

This is their own defence saying that. Not the bbc, itv, governemnt or military. Their own lawyers admitted they did this (training camps, bomb making material etc) and when it got to crunch time, they tried to pass it off as a joke. In a court of law, they passed it off as a joke.

These three have already made a mockery out of the justice system (it was just a joke to them) and our religion by defrauding their own community and turning charity money into haram (naudhubilah - these are heinous crimes for a Muslim to even think about let alone commit). Don't let them make a mockery out of you.
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Hmm, okay then, when i looked how they called themselves i thought that they were more like gangsters than actually pious muslims.

But as i said those hardware, those TNT, those Ak-47's could be achieved if they struck a deal with Mi6. Remember that the UK-Israeli-US zionists infested governments want to potray islam as a threat, so they could easily let them go ahead with these plans.

But stopping them and the media potrayal makes it seems like these are devouted muslims with beards, so every muslim who has a beard (Masha'Allah) is a terrorist. according to BBC.

Remember the leader of shariah for the UK(Anjem Choudary)? The things he says? A normal muslim would've been arrested by now, but this guy freely talks around in on streets, waging protests, publicly calling that another 9/11 would happen if UK invades another muslim country et cetera.

Sharia4UK is publicly exposed being a front of the Mi6.

This is how they defame us - Its called cointelpro, picking out the rotten apples and make them talk on media channels, even israeli channels made an interview with him.


Search his name more, he has gathered alot of followers and praised the 7/7 attacks and the 9/11 attacks, so it seemed like the muslims have done it.
 
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aamirsaab said:
70 excuses, innocent until proven guilty and erring on the side of caution are all part of Islamic teachings, but as Muslims we also believe in justice in the law and justice in the land.
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I can't disagree with you on that, however this media stuff is dangerous. Bottom line is, if we are not present and if we are not witnesses we have no right to be calling anyone anything. Has anyone on this thread spoken to the prisoner personally? Has he personally admitted to any of us that he did wrong?

That was the point I as trying to make. Stay away from the media wars, cuz that's all they are. They fuel fires, there is much more to be concerned with happening our very own homes and lives. Everything that comes out of our mouths we are accountable for on judgement day so lets just be careful.

If certain Muslims (or non-muslims for that matter) are conspiring to kill non-combatant/innocent people and cause destruction in their lands of residence, then I am sorry I cannot forgive nor excuse that - justice must be done.
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To be a judge is a huge responsibility and that role shouldn't be taken on by any of us, so for you to say that justice must be done, who are you to make such statements of what should and should not be done in these cases? I don't think anyone is asking for your personal forgiveness, what each sinner does is between him and Allah, and only Allah knows their intentions. We are left to depend on the media to deliver these situations to us, have you ever played the game of "telephone"? By the time the 4th person reaches the message its already diluted, imagine what kind of info we're being fed.

Yes, we should defend muslims and non muslims alike when they are being treated unjustly,but lets be real here. None of us are present at this location or personally involved, so how do you know ur on the right side? :hmm: Or if the situation/story being given is even accurate? We cannot go against our own brothers and sisters in Islam, unless we are 150% sure they are guilty and even then we don't just go against them like fools. We cannot accuse our brothers and sisters falsely, its a great sin to do that.

Ultimately, this information is being given to us by kuffar sources, that alone should make a Muslim think.

- cOsMiC
 
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They deserve the punishment...they only killed a few, if they had killed in the millions using ultra modern weapons, rendered million others homeless, directly or through proxy [rebels] - know what? They'd have received the Noble prize :p

Btw, even Gandhi was called a terrorist by the British - yet today that David Cameron dude whenever he visits India goes to pay his respects at Gandhi's shrine ;D
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Every single incident of this nature, someone will always say it’s either a false flag operation, or it’s media bias.

I don’t think you realise just how daft that is in this case.

The defendants admit almost the entire prosecution case. So there’s no point in suggesting that evidence has been planted etc – the defendants already admit it.

As for media bias – this was a trial delivered in open court with many hundreds of the general public present, plus multiple media organisations and the friends and family of the defendants. It is simply not possible to report basic facts about the trial falsely, and no one notice.
 
I just read between the lines, Gandhi was called a terrorist by the British even though he wan known for not using any weapons [called Satyagraha] - yet they called him a terrorist and today are paying respects to him :D
 
Urban Turban said:
I just read between the lines, Gandhi was called a terrorist by the British even though he wan known for not using any weapons [called Satyagraha] - yet they called him a terrorist and today are paying respects to him
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I'm not sure why you're comparing these guys to Gandhi, who is a personal hero of mine, but I am absolutely certain they don't deserve it.
 
I just wish peoplw would just accept the that fact that those idiots who call themselves Muslims can be bad people.
 
Independent said:
Every single incident of this nature, someone will always say it’s either a false flag operation, or it’s media bias.

I don’t think you realise just how daft that is in this case.

The defendants admit almost the entire prosecution case. So there’s no point in suggesting that evidence has been planted etc – the defendants already admit it.

As for media bias – this was a trial delivered in open court with many hundreds of the general public present, plus multiple media organisations and the friends and family of the defendants. It is simply not possible to report basic facts about the trial falsely, and no one notice.
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Don't mind but if I place a loaded gun onto your face and ask you to admit America doesn't exist - I know you'd fall in line.
 
Salam alaykum

Should we call Anders Breivik as atheist terrorist and think that all atheists are terrorist too? He murdered almost 100 unarmer civilians by his terrorist act.
 
Urban Turban said:
Don't mind but if I place a loaded gun onto your face and ask you to admit America doesn't exist - I know you'd fall in line.
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Not sure I really follow this. Are you saying that these guys have been coerced into running this plot, in order for them to get caught and convicted? Is that the idea?
 
im against indiscriminate killing, such as suicide bombing.

so i cant get my mind around that particular form of jihad.


i can't understand who it hurts or who its meant to hurt..



i mean when i look back at 9/11 it was the start of a nightmare for a large number of people.


...it changed the face of the world thats for sure.


its always used, dont get me wrong.. it allows for other things to happen.




when i talk to my brother about anything similar he's always saying that the people involved are simple, misguided or brainwashed.





i think most of them have sat in front of there teachers for too long.




when you actually have a people worthy to be considered an ummah, they might not go around blowing themselves up so readily.

and when you have a person that values the blood of his people,

you might actually have a leader worthy of it.



i mean its common and widely repeated knowledge that the number of muslim reverts increases,
i doubt that has anything to do directly with suicide bombers.


although the ripples spread wide.


most people are able enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

and know that the harder path is one of resistance.


what doesnt kill you will probably make you stronger, unless they catch you.



the fact that muslims believe in an all knowing and all powerful god...

and yet cant get anywhere for it.

leads me to believe its an education issue.


you can be incited by the tv and media.

or you could just know what to do and not do.. and see where it takes you.



when they say, do you want to be part of this?

then you should remember what part you want to be.


i remember part of a hadith, that likens those that remember allah swt and those that do not... to that of people being alive or dead.


my views may be completely wrong i know, maybe it takes callous men to do gods work..
i hope he has use for the rest also.

thats the thing see, we are only here for a short time and the final judgement is reserved for after death. i guess very few people have made a lasting difference for the better.

but if everybody picked up litter, the world would be a cleaner place.. but you cant expect a single person to do it all.

maybe you would just end up with a pile of rubbish, i dunno.
 
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Independent said:
Not sure I really follow this. Are you saying that these guys have been coerced into running this plot, in order for them to get caught and convicted? Is that the idea?
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Are you saying that evidence can't be planted? Are you saying FBI CIA MI6 etc can't manufacture terrorism?
 
Urban Turban said:
Are you saying that evidence can't be planted? Are you saying FBI CIA MI6 etc can't manufacture terrorism?
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Of course, this is possible in any country, by any race, and any religion.

But we know for sure it didn't happen in this case because the defendants admit the evidence. However, they dispute the motive - they say it was a joke. It's a lousy defence but that's what they said.

So, for you to contrive this into a black flag operation, you have to say that the defendants are in on the act too. ie they are either voluntarily, or by coercion, setting themselves up for conviction. There are plenty of reasons why that is vanishingly improbable too.

However, if you are the type of person who is desperate to go to any lengths to blame 'kuffars' for everything, then this is the direction you will be taking.
 
Independent said:
Of course, this is possible in any country, by any race, and any religion.

But we know for sure it didn't happen in this case because the defendants admit the evidence. However, they dispute the motive - they say it was a joke. It's a lousy defence but that's what they said.

So, for you to contrive this into a black flag operation, you have to say that the defendants are in on the act too. ie they are either voluntarily, or by coercion, setting themselves up for conviction. There are plenty of reasons why that is vanishingly improbable too.

However, if you are the type of person who is desperate to go to any lengths to blame 'kuffars' for everything, then this is the direction you will be taking.
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Bro, there is tons of evidence regarding the former part of your post.

Regarding the latter, when the KUFFAR are blaming everything on us I don't see why we can't do the same...
 
Urban Turban said:
Bro, there is tons of evidence regarding the former part of your post.
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I have seen no evidence at all that these guys were coerced into being fall guys. Have you? Please share it with us! (Evidence relating to this case, not any other.)

Urban Turban said:
Regarding the latter, when the KUFFAR are blaming everything on us I don't see why we can't do the same...
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Nonsense. Just to run off a few major world issues that the 'kuffar' do not blame on Muslims: the world economic crisis, the world ecological crisis, the tension between China and Japan, the North Korea crisis, and ongoing tensions with Russia.

You are obsessed by the 'kuffars', and with blaming the 'kuffars', but the reverse is not true.
 
Independent said:
I have seen no evidence at all that these guys were coerced into being fall guys. Have you? Please share it with us! (Evidence relating to this case, not any other.)
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:p Can't accept the truth can you? I've said all I said in a general sense..who am I ? Scotland yard? There are so many lies by the enemies so why should I accept anything ?

Independent said:
Nonsense. Just to run off a few major world issues that the 'kuffar' do not blame on Muslims: the world economic crisis, the world ecological crisis, the tension between China and Japan, the North Korea crisis, and ongoing tensions with Russia.

You are obsessed by the 'kuffars', and with blaming the 'kuffars', but the reverse is not true.
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A poor attempt. Sad.
 

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