Basically nowadays I think any crime committed in the west by a MUSLIM, no matter how unrelated to religion, gets the label ISLAMIST on it. Robbing a bank? If any other person did it, the headlines would be: MAN ROBS BANK. Now if a Muslim robbed a bank? Newspaper headlines: MUSLIM MAN ROBS BANK.
Terrorist - but what is his religion?!?!????
- Thread starter S1aveofA11ah
- Start date
- Replies 33
- Views 4K
British Wholesales - Certified Wholesale Linen & Towels | Halal Food Gastronomy | PHP 8.4 patch for vBulletin 4.2.5
Suomipoika
Elite Member
- Messages
- 268
- Reaction score
- 26
- Gender
- Male
- Religion
- Other
There is thousands of news papers and media outlets in the "west". Ofcourse there will be racist or just plain ignorant papers. How everything gets branded the same so easily is rather ironic considering what the original complaint is about. Can you even find ten papers with such headline? Since you said about any crime, then what about other crimes? Like burglars? Can you find ten papers with headline muslim bulglar? About car thieves? How many papers is enough to condemn all the "western" media?
Now our media should be experts of Islam. Not only that, they should be the judges of what is done falsely in the name of Islam. Problem is there is over billion muslims, and to me, despite the claims of several muslims, there is not one uniform Islam. We can start with the shia - sunni divide. Ofcourse its not only that, sunnis themselves seem to have all sorts of little differences in their believes depending on person. Niqab or just Hijab? Hanafi or Maliki? What exactly is the true Islam? Im not really looking for answers, because, I already know they will depend on what the muslim who answers believes in.
The situation will never be such that people chant religious lines and kill in the name of Islam and we just ignore the "in the name of Islam" part. If you have a problem with the so called self-proclaimed muslims who kill in the name of Islam and who tell us they follow the true Islam, then take it up to them, dont blame the messenger, the media.
---
All in all, this thread seems to be the usual "us muslims being victims of the evil west" mentality. Its getting old, really old. Im tired of us westeners always getting the blame, even if we just tell in the news what muslims have done. We are always the imperialistic fornicating prostitute media controlling propaganda mastering kuffar dogs who want to cheat on their spouses, no matter what. (Hey look! I can play the victim card too and even over generalised little, wohoo!)
truemuslim
IB Legend
- Messages
- 5,036
- Reaction score
- 614
- Religion
- Islam
Some guy here crashed a plane and killed a bunch of people along with him, so he commited suicide and homocide, is he considered a terrorist?
According to the news , NO, he was a 'poor white old man , who had problems'
psh. if that was an arab/muslim, they wouldnt say that, they would just say he is a terrorist no matter what.
:raging:
Terrorist - a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
Terrorist- a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism
Terror - intense, sharp, overmastering fear
Terror - violence or threats of violence used for intimidation or coercion; terrorism.
Terrorism - the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
Terrorism - the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terror
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist
Learn yo definitions yo!
According to the news , NO, he was a 'poor white old man , who had problems'
psh. if that was an arab/muslim, they wouldnt say that, they would just say he is a terrorist no matter what.
:raging:
Terrorist - a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
Terrorist- a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism
Terror - intense, sharp, overmastering fear
Terror - violence or threats of violence used for intimidation or coercion; terrorism.
Terrorism - the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
Terrorism - the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terror
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist
Learn yo definitions yo!
AhlaamBella
IB Expert
- Messages
- 1,312
- Reaction score
- 145
- Gender
- Female
- Religion
- Islam
Great point there sis. I tried using the definition in bold to back up an argument, but the dude dismissed it completely saying I don't know what I'm talking about :mmokay:
EDIT:: Didn't make the definition bold
Last edited:
truemuslim
IB Legend
- Messages
- 5,036
- Reaction score
- 614
- Religion
- Islam
Great point there sis. I tried using the definition in bold to back up an argument, but the dude dismissed it completely saying I don't know what I'm talking about :mmokay:
EDIT:: Didn't make the definition bold
Aw LOL
its coz they give up when they run out of things to say :raging: lol
Fishman
IB Expert
- Messages
- 3,555
- Reaction score
- 724
- Gender
- Male
Neither of those are true oxymorons anyway. An oxymoron is an actual contradiction, those are both just political jokes like the 'millitary intelligence' one. A real oxymoron is something like 'guest host'. I suppose 'Muslim seperatism' would be one, as 'Muslim' means something like 'one who is submitted' and a seperatist is somebody who fights against the ruler and does not submit.
S1aveofA11ah
Esteemed Member
- Messages
- 183
- Reaction score
- 30
Neither of those are true oxymorons anyway. An oxymoron is an actual contradiction, those are both just political jokes like the 'millitary intelligence' one. A real oxymoron is something like 'guest host'. I suppose 'Muslim seperatism' would be one, as 'Muslim' means something like 'one who is submitted' and a seperatist is somebody who fights against the ruler and does not submit.
I think you are mistaken. "Islamic Terrorism", to me at least, is a clear-cut oxymoron.
Islam in the general sense means peace - from the root "salaama" (hence the greeting 'May Peace be Upon You". Specifically it means to submit to the will of God. How can you have PEACEFUL TERRORISM?. Peace is the opposite of terror. They are mutually exclusive.
Before you reply please read this article: http://calltoislam.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=246&Itemid=78
I don't see the definition of oxymoron stating that two exact opposite (in meaning) terms have to be used like : hot cold. Rather the overall use of words has to be nonsensical like : kind cruelty, hot ice-cream and so on.
I think you are the first Muslim I have ever heard say that Islamic Terrorism is NOT an oxymoron. Any others care to comment?.
The_Prince
IB Expert
- Messages
- 1,279
- Reaction score
- 182
Islamic terrorism means Islam allows it, when it doesnt.
Islamic science, Islam doesnt tell you to be stupid, rather it commands you and makes it obligatory to get knowledge, in Islam, and wordly matters. Hence indeed it can be called Islamic science as theres nothing un-Islamic about most scientific achievments that were done by Muslims.
Allah and the prophet Muhammad said dont kill women and children, people go and do it, how is Islamic? you must be stupid if you still want to connect the 2. Islam says dont kill innocent people, then people go and do it, and you guys still say Islamic? then you say why u Muslims say its not Islamic?
The_Prince
IB Expert
- Messages
- 1,279
- Reaction score
- 182
you act like when Muslims call your people such names its wrong ey? i personally know a western lady who is sleeping with a married man who has kids, shes 23, and hes 43.
what makes this truly amusing is she actually tries to lecture me sometimes on how us Muslims are uncivilized and need to get with the program. its too funny if you ask me, dont you think so? as for playing the victims, you Europeans have done a far better job than Muslims will ever do.
everytime you Europeans are in trouble and your society is falling apart, who do you blame? the immigrantsssssssssssssssssssss, those **** blackies and muzzies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes its the immigrants who are forcing your kids to eat like pigs, and drink alcohol like a thirsty horse who drinks water. yes it is the immigrants who are the reason why the next generation of your people are generally not smart and doing very bad in the schools. yessssssss blame the immigrants as usual, the typical European way.
lol ill give you a truly truly truly funny example, the english national football team is bad beyond belief, so who do they blame? the foreign players in the league!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you Europeans are the most typical people in blaming others for your own shortcommings, and then you wanna act like its a Muslim thing? too funny comming from a European. i bet it was an immigrants fault also that a finnish kid killed 8 other people in school right? yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Then you must first learn what an oxymoron is:
ox·y·mo·ron (ŏk'sē-môr'ŏn', -mōr'-) pronunciation
n., pl. -mo·ra (-môr'ə, -mōr'ə) or -rons.
A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist.
http://www.answers.com/oxymoron
It does not make the phrase false, simply denotes that the two terms may be contradictory or incongruous.
I don't know where people have used phrases like kind cruelty, or hot ice cream.
What you are stating is not an oxymoron. A newspaper that states an Islamic school is being built does not mean the school is peaceful, it simply means that there is an educational institution in compliance with Islamic dogma.
Similarly, you can have aggressive and/or violent acts, which are superfluous or excessive, and still have them conform to most religious dogma. Islam is not an exception, and proof of that is readily available.
All the best wishes,
Faysal
I'm not sure who you are talking to, but every society has at some point blamed immigrants. Unfortunately, almost everyone everywhere is an immigrant at some point.
It doesn't mean immigrants are at fault, and it doesn't mean they are not. There are plenty of immigrants with compatible lifestyles and ideologies than live harmoniously. That's the important part, because people native to the land can adopt the objectionable ideologies too. Hitlers army was, by and large, home grown catholic fundamentalists. The yellow badges were not a Nazi invention, they were adopted from Islamic states that previously ruled over Judaic people. It's not as simple as immigrant and non-immigrant.
All the best wishes,
Faysal
S1aveofA11ah
Esteemed Member
- Messages
- 183
- Reaction score
- 30
Look I don't wish to go into a long arguement here with you as I don't have the time - but I have some time to say some truth.
The key word here I think is 'incongruous'. This is the definition at dictionary.com:
in·con·gru·ous Audio Help /ɪnˈkɒŋgruəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-kong-groo-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. out of keeping or place; inappropriate; unbecoming: an incongruous effect; incongruous behavior.
2. not harmonious in character; inconsonant; lacking harmony of parts: an incongruous mixture of architectural styles.
3. inconsistent: actions that were incongruous with their professed principles.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Origin: 1605–15; < L incongruus inconsistent. See in-3, congruous]
—Related forms
in·con·gru·ous·ly, adverb
in·con·gru·ous·ness, noun
—Synonyms 1. discrepant, unsuitable, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd. 2. inharmonious, discordant. 3. contrary, contradictory. See inconsistent.
—Antonyms 1. becoming, appropriate. 2. consonant. 3. consistent.
Notice the synonyms :- unsuitable, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd. Hence my use of the term 'false'.
Look in the same dictionary and you will see “cruel kindness” under the definition of 'oxymoron'. Hot ice cream could not be a more simple oxymoron in my view - how can ice be hot especially when we are talking about a KNOWN food substance which is known to have certain attractive qualities? (e.g. cool when consumed, slightly frozen in normal atmospheric temperatures etc). I'm sure if you bought some expensive ice-cream on a scorching day and were served a boiling hot puddle-lie soup in a plate you would be the first to possibly cry out "Hey, this ain't ice-cream".
Islam, whether YOU like it or not means peace. If you don't like that or don't agree with it thats your problem.
An Islamic school would be a peaceful school AT LEAST IN THE FIRST INSTANCE OF CREATION. An exception might be the Islamic school is build and whilst still empty and not up and running the roof falls down on a builder leaving the site.
However, what happens down the line e.g. if it employs bad Muslims is another story. It is not as you seem to be explaining matters i.e. that it can never be a peaceful school. Furthermore, assuming the school has good Muslims and the school over a period of time will have - like all schools on earth - its ups and downs. However, if the overall outcome of it produces good e.g. good grades, students etc. who go on to be good in life it would be a place of success and hence peace.
Where you say:
"Similarly, you can have aggressive and/or violent acts, which are superfluous or excessive, and still have them conform to most religious dogma. Islam is not an exception, and proof of that is readily available."
then I reply:
It is a CLEARLY known fact that Islam is a religion of moderateness. It is strictly forbidden to go to extremes - either too lax or too harsh - a major prohibition. Even in rules of war there are Islamic guidelines (you could say peaceful guidelines if you like) that state certain do's and don'ts which aim to eliminate excess violence e.g. killing innocent non-combatants.
An aggressive act may be done in self-defence. Violent acts which are superfuous or excessive are AGAINST Islam. There are NO commands which say use EXCESSIVE violence beyond the required amounts.
Take this scenario to help explain:
A man breaks into your house with a gun. He is trying to steal things. He wakens you from sleep and accidently drops the gun which gives you a chance to pick it up.
Now Islam does not say 'BLOW HIS BRAINS OUT' or 'KILL HIM DEAD'. Rather - wisdom is needed. You could aim the gun at him now you have it and threaten him to leave without harming him and call the cops. If he attacks then shoot him in the leg.
It has to be said, you are an Atheist and with all due respect you don't comprehend Islam. If you have a brain tumour your going to go to a brain surgeon or specialist not the local barbers for advice and help. Don't try to tell the Muslims what Islam is when you are not even one unless you are sure about the little bit you know.
I think you need to look up the definition of 'peace' - try dictionary.com it has nearly 20 definitions and one of them is:
"the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world".
Take the 'Islamic school' example which you claim would not be peaceful.
In its first constructed (non-occupied, non-operational) instance would be a peaceful school as it would be a normal condition of the world i.e. a static, non-dangerous building.
May Allah guide you to Islam (Peace)
(ameen).