Test of Faith for Athiests

[samobosna96]

as salaam alaikum,

the other day I was watching a video of American soliders being defeated by the Iraqi resistence and while one solider was crying to Jesus the other started crying to Allah SWT to help him..... so i began to wonder about something....

are Athiests really that devout in the faith that God does not exist. Now I would not suggest or condone that individuals go out and try this but maybe the Athiests at this website should contemplate this...

Okay say a deranged killer came into your house and held a gun to your head and your families heads (God forbid) would not the first thing you say is: OH GOD PLEASE DONT, OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME! or something similar...

..... So if christian soliders facing their defeat by the resistance start asking for Allah to help him what is to say that an Athiest wont resort to asking God to help him, a God that he doesnt believe in... so are not athiests just to proud and arrogant to accept and affirm a belief in the Oneness of God....

just some food for thought... again dont go out and experiement for yourself

 

[mujahedeen2087]

as salaam alaikum,

the other day I was watching a video of American soliders being defeated by the Iraqi resistence and while one solider was crying to Jesus the other started crying to Allah SWT to help him.....
..... So if christian soliders facing their defeat by the resistance start asking for Allah to help him ..

where did you hear of American soldiers asking Allah to help them, im sorry but that sounds absurd that the americans being defeated by the iraqi resistance. where did you hear such a thing

 

[Joe98]

The first brand of vacuum cleaner was Hoover. Today many companies manufacture vacuum cleaners but we still use the phrase "do the hoovering".

The first brand of cooler was Esky. But today many manufactures make coolers. Yet we still carry an "esky" to keep things cold.


There are many, many, many phrases in english which are strictly inaccurate which have become a part of the language and everybody knows what you mean.

 

[root]

The story of the US Soldiers is probably a modern urban legend the the story tellr always starts by recounting some supposedly true story about a proudly atheist soldier in some war or another who holds fast to his godless ideals until the bombs start falling.

I think Atheists are only Human and not above the fear of facing death, let's face it at the realisation you are about to die all logic for some most or all goes straight out the window and fear can make you clutch all kinds of straws in a desperate bid to escape death. This could be turning to god to be saved & even help from a pink elephant named suzie. Whatever, an atheist may or may not turn to before his death is to my mind irrelavent and a natural process.

 

[IceQueen~]

it's like what that sheikh said to an atheist. he asked him whether he'd ever been near death-in trouble. the atheist aswered yes, once he was at sea and the the ship got wrecked and he nearly drowned.
the sheikh asked him, that when he thought he was gonna die did he still hope that he'd live? the atheist replied 'yes'.
the sheikh then asked him who he put this hope in to save him?
the man became a believer.

 

[Joe98]

But ultimately the man was saved or else there would be no story.

You forgot to say how he was saved.

He was saved by a human, not by God. There is no God and therefore cannot save anybody.

Or alternativly the story was made up by the shiek to make a non-beliver believe.

The story did not fool me.
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[IceQueen~]

But ultimately the man was saved or else there would be no story.

You forgot to say how he was saved.

He was saved by a human, not by God. There is no God and therefore cannot save anybody.

Or alternativly the story was made up by the shiek to make a non-beliver believe.

The story did not fool me.
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who's trying to fool you? that's a sentence by someone who is afraid of getting fooled so they have to reassure themselves...

 

[Joe98]

So, tell us how the man was saved.

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[Muezzin]

Who says he was saved? The first post referred to a video.

Edit: Sorry, I thought you were referring to the first post.

 

[IceQueen~]

So, tell us how the man was saved.

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just to clarify-who you talking about?

 

[root]

and the link for the videao is.................

"I caught a fish the other day, it was THIS big"!

 

[samobosna96]

Nope no absurdity nor is it an urban legend, Okay so here is the link: once viewing the link click the big graphic to get the video..

http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=550&Itemid=54

Now watch the solider in the front after a big shelling states: LORD, HELP ME, WHERE ARE YA, ALLAH, ALLAH!!

The other soolider in the back near the camera tells him to calm down while he prays to his Lord.


But the athiest who said it is just a phrase would you really think that in time of great desperation? When times are good you state that it is from you and in the times of bad it must be from God. Why even say it if you think there is nothing to save you. your just fololing your self and i am not fooling myself.

And you people must read properly I did not say a shiek told me this i had video.

 

[HeiGou]

But the athiest who said it is just a phrase would you really think that in time of great desperation? When times are good you state that it is from you and in the times of bad it must be from God. Why even say it if you think there is nothing to save you. your just fololing your self and i am not fooling myself.

If the soldier is America it is unlikely he is an atheist. America is the one Western country with over-whelming belief in God.

Second, what else is he going to do? The human mind does not like the idea that there is nothing that can be done. They like to cling to hopes no matter how tenuous. Why is that a surprise?

Third, do you really think this is convincing? When humans are sacred enough they revert to instinct and childhood behaivours. Their rational minds are not working. Soldiers in combat are often so scared they wet themselves or worse. This says nothing about what they really are.

Fourth, the illiterate often prefer to support "lower" forms of religion, not "higher" forms. What I could probably call her superstition. They like charms and shrines and semi-magic. It is especially common among illiterate and old women. It is the only sort of religion they can operate if they cannot read and it gives them a sense of control and power. Does this make it true?

Finally, soldiers when they are hit and dying usually call out for their Mothers. There is no chance their mother can hear them and she could do nothing if she was there, but they go on doing it. What does this prove?

I think you ought to avod any assumption that people who do not agree with you are really secret in agreement with you but are afraid to admit it.

 

[samobosna96]

it is mankinds natural instinct to believe in God because not beleiving in a God in unnatural.. and unhealthy.... and heiguo what you stating that Islam is inferior to Christianity? That is a laugh, even secular western historians which i can bring the sources latter this evening because i have to go to work have stated the greatness of the Prophet Muhammad and Islam.

if this christian has such a great faith in his three gods to help me then why does he cry to the Oneness of Allah, the all0Mighty to help him, was not three gods sufficient for him....???

and to correct you america has an overwhleming belief in three gods not just one.... but that another post... if you i'll post it...

well.... i heard i cant proof this but when the mothers child is in danger she has this sixth sense or something that her child is in great danger....

 

[HeiGou]

it is mankinds natural instinct to believe in God because not beleiving in a God in unnatural.. and unhealthy....

Manind's natural instinct might be to believe in the Supernatural, but I do not believe that it is to believe in God. People, if left alone, show no signs of believing in one God whatsoever. They need to be taught.

and heiguo what you stating that Islam is inferior to Christianity?

Where did I say that?

That is a laugh, even secular western historians which i can bring the sources latter this evening because i have to go to work have stated the greatness of the Prophet Muhammad and Islam.

The West is a rich and free place. People are allowed to say things all the time. It is our strength and our weakness. It is the source of our wealth. The question to ask is 1. where are the secular historians from the Muslim world, and 2. where are the secular historians from the Muslim world who have praised the greatness of the West?

if this christian has such a great faith in his three gods to help me then why does he cry to the Oneness of Allah, the all0Mighty to help him, was not three gods sufficient for him....???

You would have to ask one, but I suspect he does not.

and to correct you america has an overwhleming belief in three gods not just one.... but that another post... if you i'll post it...

You can go on insulting Christianity for as long as you like and it will still not change what Americans believe.

well.... i heard i cant proof this but when the mothers child is in danger she has this sixth sense or something that her child is in great danger....

I would like to believe that. But I don't.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

"[Allah] it is who causes you to travel over land and sea; until, when you are in the ships, and they sail with [their passengers] with a fair breeze, and they are glad therein, a tempestuous wind reaches them, waves are coming at them from everywhere, and they think that they are overwhelmed therein; [then] they call to Allah, making their faith pure for Him [alone], 'If You save us from this, we will surely be among the thankful!'" [Qur'an, 10:23]

"Then, when he saves them, behold! They rebel upon the earth wrongfully." [Qur'an, 10:24]

"And when some trauma touches man, he calls to his Lord, turning repentant to Him. Then, when He grants him a favor from Himself, he forgets that for which he called to Him before, and sets up partners to Allah." [Qur'an, 39:8]

The point is, when the athiests are in trouble facing death, they will by their own selves call out to God. The point is they are calling out a Being who is greater than them. This is a fact. Yet, even hardened deniers who stand in the way of truth and resist it may grab hold of it at the last moment, before it is too late, for on account of the surfacing of the fitrah, a disbeliever who is faced with death on the battlefield may suddenly embrace Islam.

I know of a person who was an atheist and he went sailing, and as his ship entered a storm, he started calling on God asking Him to save him. God saved him. Then many years later he read the Quran and the same verse i showed you above^ and it described his situation perfectly. Therefore he saw the Truth and coverted to Islam.

It is an undeniable fact that when a person is cut off from everything, be he a believer in God or a disbleiver, he will call out to God. Even if he doesnt use that exact word, he will call out to a greater being. This is ingrained in Man, the inborn recognition of his Creator.

This is the consequence of the Covenanent Allah took from every single human:

"And [remember], when your Lord took from the children of Adam, their children behind them, and made them testify over their own selves, [saying to them], 'Am I not your Lord?' They said, 'Yea.'" [Qur'an, 7:172]

This is why atheists have always and always will be a minority. Man cannot deny his Creator.

 

[root]

Thanks for the video link:

It was really interesting. firstly, had I have been their section commander I would have been telling them to "shut the F*** up" as they could be further compromising their position and position status.

I can't see any reason why this video that allows for the privelidge of arm chair generals and Jihadi's to witness someone else experiencing what appears to be shelling on or close to their positon is suppose to achieve in respect of an atheist or faith. This is the reality for soldiers who are under-going sustained enemy fire, it is nothing revealing or a shortcoming of the soldiers. Their fate being unknown also. (I hope they survived to fight another day). If we look at what was originally posted about this:

the other day I was watching a video of American soliders being defeated by

Did not look that way to me.

the Iraqi resistence and while one solider was crying to Jesus the other started crying to Allah SWT to help him

Screaming yes, crying no. Incidently on screams, when you charge at an enemy one has a "battlecry" a scream as you advance to contact.

..... so i began to wonder about something....

pehaps, wonder what you would have done in their situation. To a certain extent they were in a privelidged position, they could have been part of a full section in another situation which demanded silence (which is quite normal). Do you think this differs from any other combat situations from Bosnia to the trenches of world war 1, to observe normal combat is to see the normality of fear, panic and stress.

Finally, I fail to see the connection for an atheist...............

 

[Joe98]

….that sheikh said to an atheist. he asked him whether he'd ever been near death-in trouble.

the atheist aswered yes, once he was at sea and the the ship got wrecked and he nearly drowned.

the sheikh asked him, that when he thought he was gonna die did he still hope that he'd live? the atheist replied 'yes'.

the sheikh then asked him who he put this hope in to save him?

the man became a believer.

But ultimately the man was saved or else there would be no story.

You forgot to say how he was saved.

He was saved by a human, not by God. There is no God and therefore cannot save anybody.

Or alternatively the story was made up by the sheik to make a non-believer believe.

The story did not fool me.
-

So, tell us how the man was saved.

-

 

[samobosna96]

"[Allah] it is who causes you to travel over land and sea; until, when you are in the ships, and they sail with [their passengers] with a fair breeze, and they are glad therein, a tempestuous wind reaches them, waves are coming at them from everywhere, and they think that they are overwhelmed therein; [then] they call to Allah, making their faith pure for Him [alone], 'If You save us from this, we will surely be among the thankful!'" [Qur'an, 10:23]

"Then, when he saves them, behold! They rebel upon the earth wrongfully." [Qur'an, 10:24]

"And when some trauma touches man, he calls to his Lord, turning repentant to Him. Then, when He grants him a favor from Himself, he forgets that for which he called to Him before, and sets up partners to Allah." [Qur'an, 39:8]

The point is, when the athiests are in trouble facing death, they will by their own selves call out to God. The point is they are calling out a Being who is greater than them. This is a fact. Yet, even hardened deniers who stand in the way of truth and resist it may grab hold of it at the last moment, before it is too late, for on account of the surfacing of the fitrah, a disbeliever who is faced with death on the battlefield may suddenly embrace Islam.

I know of a person who was an atheist and he went sailing, and as his ship entered a storm, he started calling on God asking Him to save him. God saved him. Then many years later he read the Quran and the same verse i showed you above^ and it described his situation perfectly. Therefore he saw the Truth and coverted to Islam.

It is an undeniable fact that when a person is cut off from everything, be he a believer in God or a disbleiver, he will call out to God. Even if he doesnt use that exact word, he will call out to a greater being. This is ingrained in Man, the inborn recognition of his Creator.

This is the consequence of the Covenanent Allah took from every single human:

"And [remember], when your Lord took from the children of Adam, their children behind them, and made them testify over their own selves, [saying to them], 'Am I not your Lord?' They said, 'Yea.'" [Qur'an, 7:172]

This is why atheists have always and always will be a minority. Man cannot deny his Creator.

Hey moderator you know cat stevens? didnt he have an experience like that????....

 

[samobosna96]

the link to athieism for the questioner is conidering a christian can plead with Allah when in danger... i was wondering if you athiests would do the same..... i think you would... i just wanted an honest answer... i didnt get it....