Test of Faith for Athiests

samobosna96 said:
as salaam alaikum,

the other day I was watching a video of American soliders being defeated by the Iraqi resistence and while one solider was crying to Jesus the other started crying to Allah SWT to help him..... so i began to wonder about something....

are Athiests really that devout in the faith that God does not exist. Now I would not suggest or condone that individuals go out and try this but maybe the Athiests at this website should contemplate this...

Okay say a deranged killer came into your house and held a gun to your head and your families heads (God forbid) would not the first thing you say is: OH GOD PLEASE DONT, OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME! or something similar...

..... So if christian soliders facing their defeat by the resistance start asking for Allah to help him what is to say that an Athiest wont resort to asking God to help him, a God that he doesnt believe in... so are not athiests just to proud and arrogant to accept and affirm a belief in the Oneness of God....

just some food for thought... again dont go out and experiement for yourself
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I say stuff like "OH MY GOD" all the time. It is simply a popular phrase in the English language and I do not direct it at God but at my surroundings.

And yes, if some lunatic would be threatening to cut my throat because he dislikes unbelievers I would do my best to convince him I was in fact a strong believer! Perhaps even a Muslim.

We atheists are generally quite pragmatic on this issue I suspect. While for you saying God does not exist is blasphemous, for me saying God does exist is IMHO entirely understandable under the circumstances. If some lunatic with a gun tells me a pear is really an apple I will completely agree with him!
 
Joe98 said:
So, tell us how the man was saved.

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oh -right-is that what ur saying...
what i meant is that when the guy had no-one there and was gonna die, he prayed in his heart to be saved.
since no-one was there who did he pray to?
the sheikh was trying to point out the fact that the guy did believe in God but just didn't realise it-got it?
 
the sheikh was trying to point out the fact that the guy did believe in God but just didn't realise it-got it?
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It seems to me your just not reading what the atheists are trying to express.
 
marge said:
the sheikh was trying to point out the fact that the guy did believe in God but just didn't realise it-got it?
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Yes I "got it" already. The story is fiction and it is directed at people like me to make me believe.

It failed.
 
I don't think after pondering this, that Christianity is a strong reliable religion. The community of Christians, that I know, is always looking, searching, and it seems to me, they are lost. I been there , done that. It is free will, that is the turning point for the heart, to believe you need faith. Not a label..
And Allah, is the answer...no question.
 
the majority of Atheists are such thru a desperate need to display arogance, bring a shot gun to their head and see how quickly their strong beliefs in to science suddenly disappear
 
samobosna96 said:
as salaam alaikum,

the other day I was watching a video of American soliders being defeated by the Iraqi resistence and while one solider was crying to Jesus the other started crying to Allah SWT to help him..... so i began to wonder about something....

are Athiests really that devout in the faith that God does not exist. Now I would not suggest or condone that individuals go out and try this but maybe the Athiests at this website should contemplate this...

Okay say a deranged killer came into your house and held a gun to your head and your families heads (God forbid) would not the first thing you say is: OH GOD PLEASE DONT, OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME! or something similar...

..... So if christian soliders facing their defeat by the resistance start asking for Allah to help him what is to say that an Athiest wont resort to asking God to help him, a God that he doesnt believe in... so are not athiests just to proud and arrogant to accept and affirm a belief in the Oneness of God....

just some food for thought... again dont go out and experiement for yourself
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The soldier calling to Allah(swt) is not a big surprise. There are many Muslims in the US military.

Muslims in the U.S. military are as loyal as any, chaplain says
Saturday, October 20, 2001

By MIKE BARBER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

FORT LEWIS -- Each Friday, soldiers in battle-dress camouflage here remove their boots, face Mecca and prostrate themselves, heads bowed to the carpet in obedience to Allah.

In the military base's Islamic Chapel Center, they recite their Jumah prayers, following the lead of Capt. James Yee, a West Point graduate and a convert to Islam who is chaplain of Fort Lewis' largest battalion.

More than a month after terrorist attacks sent the United States into war against Middle Eastern terrorists who twist Islam to validate their perversions, Yee and military chaplains in general are playing increasingly important roles.

And in the first U.S. war with religious overtones, especially after calls by terrorists for "holy war" against the United States, Yee has become one of the most sought-after figures at the base, called upon to edify others about Islam and to elaborate on the relationship between soldiering and spirituality.

"Most people want to know how Sept. 11 fits into Islam," said Yee, 33, a former Lutheran who specialized in air artillery defense and was a Patriot missile fire control officer before becoming a chaplain.

"What happened is un-Islamic and categorically denied by a great majority of Muslim scholars around the world," he said of the terrorists who commandeered passenger jets and slammed them into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing people from all faiths.

Yee is chaplain of the 700-member 29th Signal Battalion, which counts nearly a dozen Muslim soldiers in its ranks. He estimates that there are 100 to 150 Muslim soldiers at Fort Lewis and McChord Air Force Base.

The number of Muslims in the U.S. military is hard to estimate. Estimates vary from 4,000 to more than 12,000. Armywide, Yee knows of at least seven other posts with Muslim chaplains.

Qaseem Uqdah, a former Marine Corps gunnery sergeant who heads the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council in Washington, D.C., counts upwards of 15,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and Coast Guard members.

The average age of U.S. Muslim troops is 21, Uqdah said. Most are married, with one child.

Like servicemen and women of other faiths, American troops who study Islam's Quran are as loyal as anyone, said Uqdah, whose organization helps recruit and endorse Muslim chaplains for the armed forces.

That was taken from this link:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/43546_chaplains20.shtml

There probably many more, when you count in all the branches of the US military.

Here is an interesting link from the Pentagon:

http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/1999/c19990115-depsecdef.html

I would personaly suspect the number of Muslims in the US military would be in the same proportion as the number of Muslims to non-Muslims in the general population.

Here is another more up to date link about Muslims in the US military.

http://www.pluralism.org/news/index.php?xref=Muslims+in+the+Military&sort=DESC

The GI probably did call out to Allah(swt) There is a good probability he was Muslim.
 
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yasin said:
the majority of Atheists .....bring a shot gun to their head and see how quickly their strong beliefs in to science suddenly disappear
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Yep! Mine would disappear in an instant! ;D ;D ;D

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regardles if people believe or not, when facing death, at a certain point the ywill pray. It's the last resort when al else fails. However i don't know if this proofs the existance of God. I think this has more to do with the vain, unfirm nature of atheism which quickly disapears in times of distress.
 
its not there to prove the existance of God, it proves the false beliefs of Atheists
 
yasin said:
its not there to prove the existance of God, it proves the false beliefs of Atheists
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How does that prove the false beliefs of atheists? Surely it proves they are true to their beliefs - if there is no God why not? Let me ask that the other way around - if someone put a shotgun to your head no doubt you would die happily. Do you really think that is proof of Islam? After all Buddhists are known to die for their Faith. So are Christians. So are Jews. Some of the Jewish men of Medina were lined up along a trench and beheaded. One converted and so was spared. The others preferred to die than become Muslims - does that prove that Judaism is true? No Faith is unable to produce people willing to die for it. They can't all be true. Therefore merely dying for any religion cannot be a proof of much.
 
Can I have a question for the Atheists here!!!

Why did people think there is a God who have greater power to save them from the beginning of the civilization.

if u not agree than
Give me a single example of discovered culture by the Scientist/historian(....) where u not find any sign of that people not believe in any God.​

If u can't find a good example than
Say this with me.
People believing God (his creator)from the beginning of the civilization​
 
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yasin said:
the majority of Atheists are such thru a desperate need to display arogance, bring a shot gun to their head and see how quickly their strong beliefs in to science suddenly disappear
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We are pragmatic. Bring a shotgun to my head and I'll do anything you like ;). We value life, not death. Of course, once you've been dealt with by the anti-terrorism squads sniper rifle I'll come out convinced religion is even more vile than I expected :p.
 
i_m_tipu said:
Can I have a question for the Atheists here!!!

Why did people think there is a God who have greater power to save them from the beginning of the civilization.
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Slavery was also practised by the majority of the civilizations throughout history, but that does not mean it is correct. The majority of civilizations in history also didn't practise Islam, I'm sure you'll go follow their example? Surely they couldn't all been wrong!
 
i_m_tipu said:
Can I have a question for the Atheists here!!!

Why did people think there is a God who have greater power to save them from the beginning of the civilization.
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That statement seems odd to me. Apart from the Quran and aHadith, what is the evidence of monotheism, i.e. a belief in a God, before Judaism, or before Christianity?

if u not agree than
Give me a single example of discovered culture by the Scientist/historian(....) where u not find any sign of that people not believe in any God.​
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You find many examples of societies where people believed in many many Gods, but few where they believed in one. Do you think this proves anything? If not, why do you make your argument?

If u can't find a good example than
Say this with me.
People believing God (his creator)from the beginning of the civilization​
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But you are using a generic "God". Can we agree that many people have believed in many different Gods since the beginning of time? And that there is little evidence for Islam before Muhammed apart from the Quran and aHadith?​
 
i_m_tipu said:
Can I have a question for the Atheists here!!!

Why did people think there is a God who have greater power to save them from the beginning of the civilization.

KAding said:
Slavery was also practised by the majority of the civilizations throughout history, but that does not mean it is correct. The majority of civilizations in history also didn't practise Islam, I'm sure you'll go follow their example? Surely they couldn't all been wrong!
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Haaaa..

U do not understand the question
i do not try to say what is correct and what is not correct

i just want to tell u people did think there is a God who have greater power to save them from the beginning of the civilization.

pls read the post again
 

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