thamud- location?

[Malaikah]

^I thought it was destroyed too:

Allah the Exalted described it thus: And as for Ad, they were destroyed for a firious violent wind which Allah imposed on them for 7 nights and 8 days in succession, so that you could see men lying overthrown (destroyed) as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees! (Ch 69:6-7 Quran)

That violent gale did not stop until the entire region was reduced to ruins and its wicked people destroyed, swallowed by the sands of the desert. Only Hud and his followers remained unharmed. They migrated to Hadramaut and lived there in peace, worshipping Allah, their true Lord.

I assumed that meant they were destroyed. :-\

ass salaamu alaykum

i'm gonna have to agree with Bro fi sabilillah, that the location of thamud and 3aad are in yemen(well that's what they say anyways)

You seem to be right about 'Ad:

The people of 'Ad lived many years in the windswept hills of an area between Yemen and Oman.

But the hadith says pretty cleary that thamud was next to tabuk.

source

 

[Malaikah]

My friend, how is from jordan, just told me that she has actually visited these places and the tour guide told them that the place is the location of thamud...

allahu a'lam though :rollseyes

 

[Salmaan]

The photos are thought provoking......it shows that people of ancient times were so good in architecture masha'Allah
...whereas today people are making just tall buildings without any art or design :rollseyes

 

[Malaikah]

^keep in mind those people were also destroyed by allah swt for their arrogance etc so they arent exactly what you would call role models!:rollseyes

 

[- Qatada -]

My friend, how is from jordan, just told me that she has actually visited these places and the tour guide told them that the place is the location of thamud...

allahu a'lam though :rollseyes

:wasalamex


This is exactly what i heard in the tafsir of Juzz 'Amma by Muhammad al Shareef:

Download off:
http://streetdawah.com/muhammadal-shareef.html



He mentioned it was in Jordan too, and some people from there might even be descendant's, Allaahu a'lam - maybe of the people who were saved.



:salamext:

 

[Malaikah]

jazakaallah khayr, could you tell me which which surah in specific it was for?

 

[Curaezipirid]

(Australians are so ignorant of civilization. Should we stay only in knowledge of flora and fauna and unaltered landforms, except by internet? Theys stone places are scary of what peoples did. or imagined theys was diding. I can only pretend to do that kafir all get animal imagery but it don't transport well by electricity.)

 

[- Qatada -]

jazakaallah khayr, could you tell me which which surah in specific it was for?

:wasalamex


- Surah Al-Fajr -


I think it's Surah Fajr [89] but he might mention point's in different place's because different surah's have different info. on the people of 'Aad, Thamud etc. But i remember surah Fajr clearly insha'Allaah, and it's mentioned:

And with the Thamud (people), who cut out (huge) rocks in the valley?- [89:9]​

So he give's some tafsir on that insha'Allaah. wa Allaahu ta'aala a'lam.



:salamext:

 

[Salmaan]

^keep in mind those people were also destroyed by allah swt for their arrogance etc so they arent exactly what you would call role models!:rollseyes

where did I call them role models ? :rant:

I just said that ancient people were good in architecture and design. Can't we appreciate that ?

 

[- Qatada -]

:wasalamex


she's messing bro obviously Allaah Almighty is showing us how all them powerful people who were better architects, and who had longer live's than us - Allaah destroyed them easily, so no matter how powerful they were - we shouldn't follow their same path, or else Allaah can destroy us easily too.


Allaah Almighty know's best..



:salamext:

 

[جوري]

Interesting... I just saw a program about the cities of "odetta and thamudetta" A'ad and thamud... but it was an archological find on an old map... sadly I was doing something else at the time... the words piqued my curiosity but I didn't sit down to watch the actual program... wow thanks so much for this... how odd that I should find this here so close after that program.....

 

[Malaikah]

where did I call them role models ? :rant:

I just said that ancient people were good in architecture and design. Can't we appreciate that ?

sorry :X i didnt mean it that way, fi_sabilillah explained what i meant rather nicely:

she's messing bro obviously Allaah Almighty is showing us how all them powerful people who were better architects, and who had longer live's than us - Allaah destroyed them easily, so no matter how powerful they were - we shouldn't follow their same path, or else Allaah can destroy us easily too.

Also, the hadith did say we are only allowed to visit the place only to re-affirm our faith etc by seeing what Allah swt does with the evil people, so i hardly think we should appreciate even their skills in architecture..

 

[Vlad]

According to Ibn Khatir(RA):
Thamud came after `Ad. They dwelled between the area of the Hijaz (Western Arabia) and Ash-Sham (Greater Syria).


"According to several passages in the Qur’an, the site was already inhabited in the third millennium BC by the Thamudic tribes. Lihyanite, Minaic and Thamudic inscriptions which have been found on the site, are evidence for an occupation in the first millennium BC."
www-islamicurbanheritage-org-sa-english-MadanSaleh-aspx


Now we know for sure that Thamud existed as a civilization before the 8th century BC, but the majority of the vestiges within the Al Madinah Region of Saudi Arabia date from the Nabatean kingdom (1st century AD). Thamud also cannot be equated with the Edomites (the predecessors of Nabataeans) at Petra. Saleh(PBUH) was born before Ibrahim(PBUH) and the Edomites were a Semitic race.

 

[Vlad]

Present-day ruins at Petra and Mada'in Saleh have nothing to do with Thamud.

 

[Scimitar]

Ad and Thamud were both in the Emtpy Quarter of Arabia - Rab ul Khalee

The oldest known reference to Thamud is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian King Sargon II which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians but they were living very early even before Abraham pbuh... when we compare the family tree of Prophets as their Ancestors were Iram and Ars.


They are referred to as "Tamudaei" in the writings of Aristo of Chios, Ptolemy and Pliny.

Scimi

 

[Vlad]

After the disappearance of the original people of Thamud, Robert Hoyland also suggested that their name was subsequently adopted by other new groups( such as Nabateans and Lihyanites) that inhabited the region of Mada'in Saleh. Quran tells us how the original people of Thamud were destroyed.

 

[Scimitar]

It's no mystery for me at any rate - there are far more interesting mysteries which I am investigating

See Dhul Qarnayn thread

btw, welcome aboard Vlad Assalaam alaikum

Scimi

 

[Vlad]

Ad and Thamud were both in the Emtpy Quarter of Arabia - Rab ul Khalee

The oldest known reference to Thamud is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian King Sargon which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians but they were living very early even before Abraham pbuh... when we compare the family tree of Prophets as their Ancestors were Iram and Ars.


They are referred to as "Tamudaei" in the writings of Aristo of Chios, Ptolemy and Pliny.

Scimi

How do you come to the conclusion that Thamud were also located in Rub al Khali?

 

[Scimitar]

deduction.

In the Quran, Aad and Thamud are mentioned together for the Arabs to recognise that God destroyed their civilisations - not a natural disaster - but ordained by God HIMSELF - thus the people of Arabia were amazed at the verses in light of their own locality. Arabia.

The tribes of Aad and Thamud were in the legends/follore of the Arabs before Islam was presented to them.

To the Thamud people (We sent) their brother Salih. He said, "O my people! worship Allah: you have no other deity other than Him. There has come to you clear evidence from your lord. This is the she-camel of God sent to you as a Sign. So leave her to eat within God's land, and do not touch her with harm, lest there seize you a painful punishment.
"And remember when He made you successors after Aad and settled you in the land, and you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. Then remember the favors of God and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption."

the Arabs knew these tribes in their histories, this is what i take from the ayaat.

I have the feeling that Thamud is in Rab ul Khalee, though it can also be in the wastelands of Midian.

Scimi

 

[Vlad]

deduction.

In the Quran, Aad and Thamud are mentioned together for the Arabs to recognise that God destroyed their civilisations - not a natural disaster - but ordained by God HIMSELF - thus the people of Arabia were amazed at the verses in light of their own locality. Arabia.

The tribes of Aad and Thamud were in the legends/follore of the Arabs before Islam was presented to them. But Rub al Khali


the Arabs knew these tribes in their histories, this is what i take from the ayaat.

I have the feeling that Thamud is in Rab ul Khalee, though it can also be in the wastelands of Midian.

Scimi

Yes, Arab poets of the 6th century regarded Thamud as a group of people that had vanished in the times past. But Rub al Khali can't be that place when you consider the following hadith:

Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Umar said, "When the Messenger of Allah went to the area of Al-Hijr in Tabuk with the people, he camped near the homes of Thamud, in Al-Hijr and the people brought water from the wells that Thamud used before. They used that water to make dough and placed the pots (on fire) for cooking. However, the Prophet commanded them to spill the contents of the pots and to give the dough to their camels. He then marched forth with them from that area to another area, near the well that the camel (as will follow) used to drink from.