The American shiek.
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Muezzin said:
That is a reasonable viewpoint.
I also think it reasonable to say it is morally wrong to leave a dictator and murder like Saddam Hussein in power when you have the ability to topple him.
It's okay, though, he's not human, he's American.
I guess there is a difference.
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Very true. Thing is, they (the British Government at least) weren't going on about Saddam and altruistic ways to topple him; they were talking about WMD. As we know now, the notion that Iraw had WMD is patently false. Sure, they may have had plans, but there are plenty of other countries out there who have fully fledged warheads.imaad_udeen said:
Oooh, you're gonna get flamed for that bro
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Hashim said:
This title of sheikh can not just be thrown around like it is a joke. Of course only a muslim can be called a shrei=kh, not only that but a muslim who is a mu'min or a muwaheed beliver, and has reached that level of knowledge, so he deserves the title of sheikh. So if that muslim has studied deen for a number of years, and he has relevant knowledge of islaam he can be sheikh. Look at imaam Malik (rahimulaah), he only accepted the title of sheikh after 80 top scholars told him he was pious and worthy of rank of sheikh title, and look at this story, some infidel invadr, ememy of islaam, and he is called sheikh! Riducolous! We need to be careful akhee imaad uddin, we must not over praise ANYONE over the top, even Muhammad (sallallhualayi'wa'salaam) himself!
No shaykh in this world can save us from the hell fire or grant us jannah.
On the day of judgement these shuyookh will have to defend THEMSELVES from the hellfire. Only their deeds can save them and only by the Mercy of Allah that they will be granted jannah.
Title does not bring one closer to Allah.
If one shaykh has a problem when people don't call him shaykh just because he's knowledgable, then sadly, he's been deceived by this worldly affairs.
These titles are given by their students as a show of respect.
It's very interesting to note that some of us would call our scholars this shaykh and that shaykh and revere them more than the prophet, but when it comes to the ones really deserving of that title, we tend to say, "Ibn Abbas or Abu Hurairah or Ibn Mas'ood". These sahabah are greater than all the shuyookh combined and Allah had proclaimed that He's is pleased with them and they're with Him.
These proclamation does not include Qardawi, al baani or even Ibn Taimiyyah.
so, if the american soldier is called sheikh or whatever, let it be. I've never heard any fatawa that it's HARAAM or even makrooh to call anyone shaykh.
People call me shaykh all the time and trust me, I'm FAR from deserving that title.
So, let's be cool about it and focus on the things that are more important: How to make ourselves more sheikhic than before. In other words, implementing the verse from soorah al hujuraat,
"indeed the ones most noble among you in the sight of Allah is the one most mindful of Him" (inna akramakum 'indAllahi atqaakum)
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Muezzin said:
Yes, but I dont think the fact that he did not have WMD is the issue. The fact that he consistently refused to let anyone know he did not have them was the problem. The terms of his cease fire agreement with UN coalition after the first gulf war said that he had to be forthcoming with inspectors and he constantly failed to do so. There was a reasonable belief that Saddam was hiding WMD. Saddam wanted everyone to believe he had them since it gave him a stronger hand in the region, especially after his army had been completely routed on the battlefield in '91.
Saddam should have realized the changing tide after 911 and began to cooperate.
Oooh, you're gonna get flamed for that bro
Comes with the territory.
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Hashim said:
Immad Uddin if you think this barbaruc invasion of islamic land is legal,
Hey Bro, I will try my best to discuss this with you in a more civil manner than I have discussed these issue with you in the past. You are my Brother even though I feel you are on the wrong path.
Anyways, I would hardly call that war barbaric, especially when viewed against history.
Saddam's treatment of Kurds and Shi'a was barbaric. Saddams invasion of Kuwait and Iran was barbaric. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was barbaric.
The US invasion was amazingly precise considering they were invading a large country. If it were to be barbaric then the American forces would have killed many many more people.
I don't think that I have to agree with you to be a Muslim.
I think your anti-Americanism is blinding you, Brother. But that is only my opinion. Allah knows which of us, if any of us, is right.
The premise of self-defense was based on the fear that Saddam Hussein would eventually give WMD capability to terrorists who would use them to attack the US.
Due to their methods of murdering indescriminatly. My opinion, of course, but I stand by it. I believe in the right to rebel, but you must fight like a soldier and fight other soldiers. The Prophet (pbuh) and the Qu'ran strictly forbids attacking non-combatants yet these "Muslims" do just that.
Akhee imaad uddin forgive me if i offend you, but your people will be humilated and defeated even more in iraq and they will be kicked out like the cowards they are. They can not face the mujahideen and they are the paying the price in this life, and they will pay in the akhiraah for their actions too. And Allaah knows best.
No offense take, Bro, I expect that from you. I just think that you are wrong.
Peace, Brother.
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Fair enough. Still, you gotta admit they must have been pretty embarassed when they didn't find anything there. 'The Emperor's new Warheads'imaad_udeen said:
Yes, but I dont think the fact that he did not have WMD is the issue. The fact that he consistently refused to let anyone know he did not have them was the problem. The terms of his cease fire agreement with UN coalition after the first gulf war said that he had to be forthcoming with inspectors and he constantly failed to do so. There was a reasonable belief that Saddam was hiding WMD. Saddam wanted everyone to believe he had them since it gave him a stronger hand in the region, especially after his army had been completely routed on the battlefield in '91.
Saddam should have realized the changing tide after 911 and began to cooperate.
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Muezzin said:Fair enough. Still, you gotta admit they must have been pretty embarassed when they didn't find anything there. 'The Emperor's new Warheads'
Certainly. But the thing is, I think EVERYONE assumed Saddam had them, because he wanted people to think he had them. All of this could have been avoided had he just abided by the ceasefire agreements his government signed after their brutal invasion and subsequent rout in Kuwait.
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Asallama Alaikum brother no one ever said that Saddam Hussein was innocent.In fact he was playing in the pockets of the U.S.The U.s aided him in many attacks.Then when he misused the power they gave him so, they decided to turn around on him.If any one was going to get blamed for any of this it would be the U.S and the U.N seeing how they brought him to power.imaad_udeen said:
Exactly what's your deffinition of "barbaric"?I beleive killing more then half the population is barbaric wouldn't you?
Non-combatants.What are the non-combatants you're referring to?Surely I don't know anything about them killing non-combatants, but I do know that children and women are considered to be non-combatants aren't they?Can you tell me what Isreal's,America's,and the Uk's army does.Well let me do the honors.They gun down children http://alsaher.com/boycott/images/childvictim.jpg use them as sheilds
http://alsaher.com/boycott/images/boyshelter.jpg and just how splendid they even accuse little children of being terrorists http://alsaher.com/boycott/images/new/hold.jpg
now you tell me who's the real terrorist
sorry if offended just getting fed up with these allegations.
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Who ever heard of an American sheik? ;D ;D