The Americans Have Raped Me Like This! *cwies*

[Chuck]

here the report presented to UN includes this story, and these stories haven't been denied by US govt. or any other source. http://www.iraktribunal.de/dokus/studies/sexualized_violence_women_igc.html

 

[Jayda]

hola,

it is not muslim propaganda or something that is in the news... these things are not known for certain so please do not jump to conclusions toward any 'side' ... i think the more important thing to remember is that we know for certain this may have actually happened to somebody who feels very confused and hurt right now and our prayers should be with them... it is selfish to turn somebodys pain into a political message... i mean this toward everyone

Dios te bendiga

 

[Keltoi]

well, it's possible that you're right.........i hope you are. it's possible that it is propaganda but even if it wasn't true, that doesn't mean that these things are not going on.

God knows best about everything, the best of things and the worst of things.

Of course we know about the poor girl and her family who were killed by soldiers, and soldiers have been found guilty and punished. Two more were found guilty today of killing detainees. I know from experience that the U.S. military is a highly disciplined outfit, especially now that it is all volunteer. There will be the occasional homicidal freak, and these people are considered dangerous not only to civilians but to their fellow soldiers. The U.S. military and the American people have pride in their soldiers, and any dishonor is taken very seriously. A bad deed from one soldier reflects on all soldiers, and that is why these cases are taken so seriously. So I take a story like this with a grain of salt. If you read up on some of the cases involving military misconduct in Iraq, the witnesses against the guilty party were fellow soldiers. The picture painted by stories like this of an out of control military with rape and abuse going on is a false one. Abu Ghraib was a disgrace, and the American military is still living with the propoganda value this gave to the enemy.

 

[Trumble]

Noor gave a link to a story from a pro-Iraqi resistance website, it should still be there.

The story is all over the web, but invariably is the same text (or very close to it) and obviously derived from the same source. There are no details of the original interview (i.e, who it was with), if indeed there ever was one, or any real evidence 'Nadia' ever existed.

It seems likely 'Nadia' is a figment of some propagandists imagination; but that's not to take away from the undoubted atrocities that occured at Abu Ghraib. The Umm Taha story seems much more likely to be genuine.

 

[dougmusr]

I went to a home that was near the place where I have been thrown, and since I know the reaction of my family I preferred to visit one of my relatives to know what happened after my absence. I knew that my brother had held a consolation board for me for more than 4 months, and they considered me as a dead person.

I understood that the knife of shame is waiting for me. So, I went to Baghdad where I found a good family who lodged me, and I worked with this family as a maid and governess for their children.

How awful, to be treated in such a way by your enemies, but even worse to fear being killed by your own Muslim family after the ordeal.

 

[*noor]

How awful, to be treated in such a way by your enemies, but even worse to fear being killed by your own Muslim family after the ordeal.

I don't really think it was the fear of being killed by her family, but just the fear of how her family would feel knowing what happened to her and the embarrassment that she would feel around them. I think that statement that she made that you had in bold was metaphorical not literal.

 

[Jayda]

How awful, to be treated in such a way by your enemies, but even worse to fear being killed by your own Muslim family after the ordeal.

hola dougmusr,

must you include the word muslim? i think it is clear that killing a raped woman is not part of their religion... this is obviously the characteristic of a culture that does not necessarily believe in a womans value as much as we do in the modern world or as much as they are supposed to according to their religion... it is an exception or an encroachment... not the rule...

Dios te bendiga

 

[Keltoi]

hola dougmusr,

must you include the word muslim? i think it is clear that killing a raped woman is not part of their religion... this is obviously the characteristic of a culture that does not necessarily believe in a womans value as much as we do in the modern world or as much as they are supposed to according to their religion... it is an exception or an encroachment... not the rule...

Dios te bendiga

I would agree. The practice of alienating or even murdering women who family members deem to be "dishonored" isn't an Islamic practice but a cultural one, primarily in Pakistan it seems.

 

[dougmusr]

hola dougmusr,

must you include the word muslim? i think it is clear that killing a raped woman is not part of their religion... this is obviously the characteristic of a culture that does not necessarily believe in a womans value as much as we do in the modern world or as much as they are supposed to according to their religion... it is an exception or an encroachment... not the rule...

Dios te bendiga

Muslims and Christians alike find such violation shameful. I think the article makes it clear she was a Muslim. I find the story disturbing for several reasons. First, it it is true, it is shameful for America. Second, as a Christian and an American, I do not support such treatment of prisoners.

 

[Muslim Woman]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


&&&


May Allah forgive her all sins & give her Jannah for what pain /torture she went through.

Sometimes , i feel so guilty . So many ordinary Muslims are opressed in so many places & the Muslim Ummah is sleeping except very few.

Do u think , Allah will forgive us on the Last Day ? What we will tell Allah for not doing almost anything for our opressed bro & sisters ?

Anybody knows , is it allowed for a rape victime to abort the baby ?

 

[muslima06]

salaam,
I didn't read the article and I don't inted to read it because things like that make me depressed. but I just wanted to remind something, the beleivers will be tested.imagine how the copaminions of the prphet(saw) were tortured such as Bilal and remeber how the prophet himself was tortured such as the people of Ta'if stoning him. also rember the other uma's before us such as the wife of firoun. we have to know that this is not something new, jannah is not guranteed easily. when there is too much hardship for the ummah thats when Allah's help is close. let's make dua for them.

"verily with every difficulty, there is a releive." (quran)
salam,
ur sis in islam,
muslima06

 

[SUMMAYAH]

Inna lillahi winna ilayhi rajioon.

I get consilation from thinking about when the dwellers of Paradise will have a window which they could open and they could see into hellfire and the people that oppressed them in this world begging for mercy!

May Allah make it easy for this sister and the so many others like her.

 

[Dawud_uk]

assalaamu alaykum,

the crimes such as this lay on the heads of the american leaders and its nation for supporting them in these evil acts unless they disassociate themselves from it personally.

may Allah swt help this sister and the tens thousands like her across the ummah, violated by the enemies of Allah, many left with innocent children who will be seen as bad just because of their rapist fathers they never knew.

keltoi is right this is a cultural practice not an islamic one that views women being violated as worthy of death but it is not just in pakistan.

such views against women are common across the whole indo-pakistani continent and more honour killers are proportionally done amongst sikhs and hindus than muslims.

in arabia honour killings are once again more common amongst the non muslims than the muslims, so it is cultural and islam strongly speaks out against such evil.

i hope the family that helped this sister continue to do so, help her through her mental problems she will have and if she wishes it find her a pious brother who will help her continue her recovery and that such problems are not her fault.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Pk_#2]

assalaamu alaykum,

may Allah swt help this sister and the tens thousands like her across the ummah, violated by the enemies of Allah, many left with innocent children who will be seen as bad just because of their rapist fathers they never knew.

i hope the family that helped this sister continue to do so, help her through her mental problems she will have and if she wishes it find her a pious brother who will help her continue her recovery and that such problems are not her fault.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

JazakAllah khair for the replies and some comments :muddlehea imsad

Ameen to bro's dua!

And also...

No finger-pointing in my thread please!

 

[Daffodil]

Oh Allah, They killed Your slaves, And they insulted Your religion
Oh Allah, of them you are All-Aware, And over them All-Powerful,
Oh Allah, direct your forces against them,
Oh Allah, direct your forces against them,
O Allah send upon them the Storms of 'Aad,
And the Cry of the Thamoud,
And the Typhoon of the people of Noah,
O Allah send upon them that which descends from the skies,
And of that which exudes from the lands,
O Allah, make hurricanes a constant for them,
O Allah disintegrate their country,
O Allah make them into divided countries and scattered parties,
O Allah, Ever-Living and Omni-Potent, Make contain them within a fist's grip of Your slaves.
O Allah, make their plots against us a cause for their destruction,
And their slyness, slyness against them,
And for whom You have willed no guidance, O Allah, make misery his destiny,
O Allah, make misery his destiny, And disaster in his path,
O Allah, convert his health to disease, And his strength into sickness, And his wealth, into poverty, And his power into weakness

Ameen.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Ameen!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

ameen

 

[Jayda]

Muslims and Christians alike find such violation shameful. I think the article makes it clear she was a Muslim. I find the story disturbing for several reasons. First, it it is true, it is shameful for America. Second, as a Christian and an American, I do not support such treatment of prisoners.

hola dougmusr!

i think maybe i misunderstand... but what i meant was you could have just said her family... there was no reason to say her muslim family, and i think it makes kind of a false connection between their wanting to hurt her and islam the religion which obviously does not allows such behavior...

Dios te bendiga

 

[Pk_#2]

Oh Allah, They killed Your slaves, And they insulted Your religion
Oh Allah, of them you are All-Aware, And over them All-Powerful,
Oh Allah, direct your forces against them,
Oh Allah, direct your forces against them,
O Allah send upon them the Storms of 'Aad,
And the Cry of the Thamoud,
And the Typhoon of the people of Noah,
O Allah send upon them that which descends from the skies,
And of that which exudes from the lands,
O Allah, make hurricanes a constant for them,
O Allah disintegrate their country,
O Allah make them into divided countries and scattered parties,
O Allah, Ever-Living and Omni-Potent, Make contain them within a fist's grip of Your slaves.
O Allah, make their plots against us a cause for their destruction,
And their slyness, slyness against them,
And for whom You have willed no guidance, O Allah, make misery his destiny,
O Allah, make misery his destiny, And disaster in his path,
O Allah, convert his health to disease, And his strength into sickness, And his wealth, into poverty, And his power into weakness

Ameen.

imsad Ameen, also it looks better in blue

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Nadia: ..I have inside me a baby, and I don't know his father



---- if she gives birth to the baby , then will it be possible for any org to arrange a DNA test to find out who could be the father ? So that , the baby can have his father's name ?

This is not only one case , there are more like this horribe one. imsad


A US soldier who raped a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and helped to kill her family has been sentenced to life in prison with possible parole.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6156656.stm


some US soldiers are even raping their own women ( female US soldiers ).